WRC officially in Gran Turismo 5!

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I can't see GT5 having more than a token WRC flavour, and I doubt we'll see P2P events considering previous GT's :( Especially when you think of all the other tracks that should be included. I can forsee lots of DLC tracks even if the 20+ locations are only 'real world', before we even consider rally tracks.

However, providing the WRC implementation is good and with the possibilities of DLC, I would love it if a full WRC season addon was made available at a later date, or possibly even as a separate game; Gran Turismo WRC/ Gran Turismo Rally Edition? 💡

OT - a similar thing could be done for F1 too

EDIT: Imagine the online PTP possibilties, 16 people in an event each starting 30 seconds (or whatever) appart, all trying for the fastest time on the same road. Plus some sort of loose top surface simulation to peanilise the front runners :drool:
 
mr_yogi
I can't see GT5 having more than a token WRC flavour, and I doubt we'll see P2P events considering previous GT's :(
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Which ironically enough, have never had the WRC License beforehand. I think people need to stop looking at the past and be abit more optimistic.


mr_yogi
However, providing the WRC implementation is good and with the possibilities of DLC, I would love it if a full WRC season addon was made available at a later date, or possibly even as a separate game; Gran Turismo WRC/ Gran Turismo Rally Edition? 💡

OT - a similar thing could be done for F1 too
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Not gonna happen, Codemasters has the F1 license for about four years
 
Well the only dirt track I've seen is the wide open drift type track. No tight twisty tracks revealed yet.
 
Studentdriver
What? Why would PD put WRC in GT5? I mean, they don't race each other directly, they just go out and drive by themselves. And WRC drivers suck, only crappy drivers need directions from someone! This is SO STUPID, I'M BUYING AN XBOX AND GETTING FORZA 3!!!

;)
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why oh why oh why bye bye back too your xbox m8 you have no concept of rally driving at all, why do these type of ppl even post??? S.A.F.

im soooooooooo looking forward to a quality bit of drifting making a few point 2 points on the editor also :)
 
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A feeling all too familiar in American motorsport- NASCAR rules the roost while most other motorsport gets drowned out. So is the case with the notion of the WRC. I think a lot of people are probably assuming that we'll only just get WRC cars and no true rally racing. I still want to imagine rallycross for most of us fans of the motorsport. Still, the only true rally stage in GT history was the [abbreivated] Pikes Peak Hill Climb in Gran Turismo 2. Most traditional rallies are just a lot of special stages, some even run more than once. I would most want to envision large environments that contain these special stages. ToCA Race Driver 2's Spain rally and ToCA Race Driver 3's UK rally come to mind. But when it comes to doing these segmented rallies, you have to have a fairly good bunch of stages to make for a competitive rally environment. "Colin McRae Rally 2" is really the only true and authentic rally racing game I've played and enjoyed. So I look to the Colin McRae Rally series for inspiration on authentic rally racing. CMR2, to my knowledge, does not feature an FIA license, but still provides some great rally racing mechanics and tracks. Authentic rally racing is more like racing down country roads and gravel roads. Authentic rallying is keeping the car on tarmac roads like in Corsica. Or for my friends in Sweden, racing on snowy and/or icy roads. Authentic rallying is making epic rally jumps like at Finland or Australia (especially from 1998 with Colin McRae). Authentic rallying is making sure not to hit wild animals or avoid overheating like in the old Safari Rally.

Gran Turismo has been good in rally racing, but not great, and it has yet to really discover its true rally racing potential. Whether or not GT5 will deliver real rally racing remains to be seen. News of NASCAR in GT5 has been hot, but the only WRC info we know is that WRC cars will be featured... and that's it. I hope we learn a LOT more about what GT5 has planned for the WRC's inclusion in GT5. If it will just be WRC cars featured and no real rally racing courses, I'd be somewhat disappointed.
 
At the very least, PD should make some Super Special stages, they certainly beat the usual GT "rally" tracks. These are a hoot with the 1 vs 1 format

About as close to a circuit WRC will get. They usually have mixed surfaces.
Just imagine for online, having multiple rounds of knockout format, like that competition they hold, Race of Champions.
They usually do 1 lap each, for each side of the circuit, the course swaps sides halfway through the run


 
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I forgot to mention those, so I'm glad you brought it up, CoolColJ. 👍 There are those Special Stages in "Colin McRae Rally 2" that I remember doing. There was even one venue made exclusively for these Special Stage races in Japan in that game. But yeah... I completely forgot about those! Maybe PD could take one of its past tracks and come up with some kind of Special Stage.

We still need something to really be excited for in regards to the WRC. Then again, we've heard of three series mentioned- WRC, NASCAR, and Super GT. Super GT has been around pretty much from the start (even back in the JGTC days). I don't think we're going to get something like all the Super GT venues ranging from Okayama to Autopolis to the overseas round in Sepang. All I'm saying is that we need some assurance of some kind of true rallying. I don't care even if you turn the Grand Canyon course in GT4 to some kind of point-to-point course. SOMETHING to get us rallyists excited.
 
JohnBM01
I don't care even if you turn the Grand Canyon course in GT4 to some kind of point-to-point course. SOMETHING to get us rallyists excited.
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I am very much hoping the Grand Canyon track makes it in the final track list. Multiple layouts would be nice.

Although, like most of you, I am hoping for some point to point stages. Seems like a long shot though.

Special stages do seem much more likely.



;)
 
They pretty much have a slew of special stage type tracks. Except your opponent runs against you instead of parallel. I figure they have their SS game down. Time for the real thing.

Hinojosa mentioned S.Loeb being over at PD as a consultant of sorts, surely he spoke of the lack of true WRC point to point stages.

You cant tell me he was blasting away on that bastardized Swiss Alps track saying everything is aye!
 
Delphic Reason
I am very much hoping the Grand Canyon track makes it in the final track list. Multiple layouts would be nice.

Although, like most of you, I am hoping for some point to point stages. Seems like a long shot though.

Special stages do seem much more likely.



;)
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I hope so too. I think I'm one of the very few that loved the Grand Canyon, more so driving with only one car on track then racing the other car. If that becomes a point-to-point stage, I'd love it even more as I think it has quite alot of potential to become something very challenging.
 
I think a lot of the newer courses in Gran Turismo 4 would be better off as open circuits. Grand Canyon was definitely one of those. You'd have to be brave (and a bit lucky) to pull a pass there. A better rally racing model would make this a great stage for rally racing. This track really possesses the character of a true and proper rally course.

Perhaps my biggest criticism with Gran Turismo games is that the cars handle too heavy. If I were to do rally racing in a dedicated rally racing game, the control is a lot more loose. Handling on rally courses feels like you're trying to swing around a premium luxury car around a set of switchbacks. Handling should be a lot more loose when rally racing. You want to be able to react quickly and have the car drive more efficiently around corners. Still, my all-time favorite rally car in Gran Turismo games is the Peugeot 206 WRC. Really, just about ANY game I've used the 206 WRC in, that car handles like a dream!

Another aspect to think about with rallying would be that of some of the heavyweight "cars." I'm talking about your Dakar cars (like the Mitsubishi Lancer MRX09, the Nissan Pickup Dakar, Volkswagen Touareg Dakar, and more). It takes a great deal of muscle to wrestle those things around a race course! I think in addition to rally stages, Gran Turismo may want to have a desert rally like Mirage Crossing in Enthusia. At least have some rally courses and stages better suited for larger off-road machines. Highly unlikely would be trophy trucks (like in CORR).



Basically, rally racing needs a true evolution in Gran Turismo games. Maybe GT5 will provide somewhat of a kick. We need a lot of different kinds of stages. You know... gravel, mud, tarmac, snow, ice, water splashes, jumps, and stuff like that. I think GT is too much on rallycross-style racing and not so much about proper rally stages. But if Sebastien Loeb is on as a consultant of some kind, it would be a good one to help Gran Turismo realize its true rally racing character. Hell, PD could have called up Tommi Makkinen, Carlos Sainz, or people like that for rally racing consulting. I'm not knocking Sebastien Loeb; I'm just saying that if you're going to have rally racing, at least make it as fun as, if not better, than the usual road racing in GT titles.
 
JohnBM01
Perhaps my biggest criticism with Gran Turismo games is that the cars handle too heavy.
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Absolutely agree... I find it has kept the "rally" portions of GT from being the exciting edge of your seat twitch fests they should be and has relegated them to more steady control of a boat on a dirt road kind of experiences.

Unfortunately from the recent front page video, the rally driving seems to be much the same...
 
Well in case anyone is interested, I have something special planned:

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Keep an eye out for more stuff from the GTMSA
 
JohnBM01
Basically, rally racing needs a true evolution in Gran Turismo games. Maybe GT5 will provide somewhat of a kick. We need a lot of different kinds of stages. You know... gravel, mud, tarmac, snow, ice, water splashes, jumps, and stuff like that. I think GT is too much on rallycross-style racing and not so much about proper rally stages. But if Sebastien Loeb is on as a consultant of some kind, it would be a good one to help Gran Turismo realize its true rally racing character. Hell, PD could have called up Tommi Makkinen, Carlos Sainz, or people like that for rally racing consulting. I'm not knocking Sebastien Loeb; I'm just saying that if you're going to have rally racing, at least make it as fun as, if not better, than the usual road racing in GT titles.
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You hit the nail right on its head here. I'd like to have point-to-point stages as well instead of rallycross-style tracks. Nothing would make me happier than being able to run a Clio Maxi on a Corsica-like tarmac stage or a group B Quattro through the snow of Finland 👍

In order to make that a complete success, the physics have to be spot-on though. GT's low-speed physics are the weakest aspect of its physics engine, so we may be better off if the rally revolution took place in GT6. Still, it's better to start addressing our wishes for the next GT right now ;)
 
Low speed physics was not an issue in the Time Trial. Donuts, figure 8s and everything can be easily created, even flicking the car into turns works well (using weight transfer), which not many PC sims seem to be able to recreate
 
I am just posting this because i cannot start a new thread for some reason i have been registered and everything but we know there are going to be more F1 cars but does anybody know which ones?
 
ferrari4619
I am just posting this because i cannot start a new thread for some reason i have been registered and everything but we know there are going to be more F1 cars but does anybody know which ones?
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This is exactly why new members cannot post new threads initially.

A new thread this does not require...

To answer your question, nobody really knows for sure which F1 cars will make it. We can assume the Ferrari (07) will be, since it's in Prologue, and there's rumour of Red Bulls (Sebastien Vettel adds his voice to the game). Beyond that no one knows.



;)
 
CoolColJ
Low speed physics was not an issue in the Time Trial. Donuts, figure 8s and everything can be easily created, even flicking the car into turns works well (using weight transfer), which not many PC sims seem to be able to recreate
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Try that in GT4 - NOT! - or even Prologue
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Interview/footage on WRC from ISR. Skip to 23:40 for the interview:

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So this is clearly much more closer to a finished product then what we last saw. What do you guys think?
 
It looks terrible...

The vehicles pivot on a central point (ala Colin Mcrae series)...

The graphics look dated, and the game play sounds very dull, and only loosely inspired by actual WRC events/races.

Not impressed thus far.




;)
 
Delphic Reason
It looks terrible...

The vehicles pivot on a central point (ala Colin Mcrae series)...

The graphics look dated, and the game play sounds very dull, and only loosely inspired by actual WRC events/races.

Not impressed thus far.
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I was expecting for them to at least do something with the game graphics, but it looks like they can't do that right either. Basically, it further confirms my suspicions that this will be a horrible game. There is supposedly a demo coming out and the game itself is to be released somewhere in late September. Of course going by the fact that Dirt 2 looks better the nthis game, I doubt it'll do well and the FIA (and any company associated with cars and Motorsports) will relize their mistake in letting Blackbean and Milestone do a car game.
 
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What was the average polygon count on GT5P cars and GT5 Premiums?

I think GT5P is 200k and GT5 is 500k.

This new WRC game only has 50k and they only have to model 2 cars. Well I have only seen Ford and Citroen so far.
 
Well the graphics are defnitley behind GT one thing I don't like is the 90 degree corners that appear in the white lines of the roads through some of the curves.

One thing that I think looks a little better is the hand animations (not graphics)for shifting. Like someone pointed out earlier in the videos we've seen of GT is the anticipation of shifting that the driver is giving before the gear change.
 
One thing I can't help but notice is how much the wheels lean while they are turned. Is that Camber?
 

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