WSR, 1983 Ayrton Senna Super Lap - Circuito de Madrid

[MarchingSaint]

Any tips on aerodynamics? My guess is that it could help a lot on this track.

 

[et_]

@MarchingSaint :

Having driven pretty much only this car for the past few weeks, I think I would run full aero (800/1000) around Madrid because you can carry more speed through corners (and that is what this F3 car is all about) and accelerate earlier. To carry speed through the corners brake softly (or for some corners not at all) and then use the grip of the tires as you turn to scrub off the speed.

As for camber, I'd go zero-zero and I really like the @PASM setup as a place to start.

I wouldn't put your rear wing that high it will cost you on both the straights and it will also induce mid corner understeer something you don't want on this track I'm running 765/845 it's a pretty good balance for outright speed on straights with still enough grip to get round the corner quickly and on the power nicely

 

[Motor City Hami]

Any tips on aerodynamics? My guess is that it could help a lot on this track.

I have the front aero maxed. As my tune is coming together, I have been lowering the rear aero little by little. I am now at 800/850 for aero.

 

[BenMillard]

DS3 novice again. I see @SW__10 is currently 2nd with 1:22.938 so I look forwards to his tune! SW__10 popular FGT tune recently put him on my radar.

Got lucky with a 1:25.973 currently 248th which is 3 seconds of fastest time. This was after lots of 1:26 to 1:28 and 10x more invalid laps. I'm 2 places behind GT_Rajman who won the Seasonal around Matterhorn with NSX LM Prototype Road Car.

Tried a few tunes from this topic, all had good points. I personally found the @PASM tune the hardest to control. DS3 noobs like me be warned! Below is my combination, with bits from nearly all the tunes in this topic.

TCS: 6 gave me Gold after 5 more laps
ABS: 1
Controller sensitivity: 6 [Don't use full turning, about halfway seems best mid-corner with less on the way in and out. Formula Gran Turismo (FGT) is a bit like this but less extreme.]

[Edit: I've done my best time by using @SW__10 slightly trickier tune he used for top 10 time.]

Suspension
Ride height 40/40 [cannot change]
Springs 13.61/17.46 [minimum]
Dampers compression 3/3
Dampers extension 6/6
Anti-roll bar 3/2
Camber angle 0/0
Toe angle 0.30/0.60 [positive front toe settles things for the ham-fisted]
Brake balance 7/10 [started hard on the brakes then eased off in the final phase, tiny bit of trail braking made my throttle finger more patient]

Gearbox [Motor City Hami or try manumanu19 ]
Drag the Final to 2.500 then drag Max Speed all the way left to 200kmh/124mph. Now adjust the gears:

1) 4.100 [long way left, some top drivers aren't using 1st but it helps me measure my braking]
2) 3.000 [1/4 less far left]
3) 2.350 [1/4 less far left - early gears near each other to stay near the peak]
4) 1.900 [power curve is actually quite broad compared to the low speeds]
5) 1.550 [almost fully right]
Final 2.000 [only go 500rpm into the red area]

manumanu19 suggests 2.800 and change the later values accordingly. That would give taller gears if you're achieving higher top speeds than me whilst keeping in the curve.

Drivetrain
LSD 10/11/25

Body
Downforce 500/700 [minimum - I tried various suggestions but my ghost always accelerated past me by the end of these straights]

Thoughts on Downforce
All the turns on this track are very low speed which means the downforce doesn't give much more grip. The long straights with hardly any horsepower meant the drag was a real disadvantage - my top speeds were 1km/h more than @SW__10 for example.

First time in a GT race I can remember the drag from downforce being a consideration, let alone being as fundamental as it seems here. (Outside of test courses, naturally.)

Looking forwards to seeing my time get annihilated out of the top 2,000 over the next 2 weeks.

 

[ODB]

Ok, jumped straight to @PASM (using zere zere camber) tune and it was way way way easier than mine and improved my time easily. Full DF doesn't seem to bother the car too much on straights but helps a lot trough corners. I'm really not sure about those DF settings, but so far so good! I was using @Motor City Hami gears and it was bit easier than pasm gears because of more control under braking, I think there's more exit speed avail (maybe) on pasm tune, can't really say...

Thanks for sharing guys!!

 

[Mamba]

Any tips on aerodynamics? My guess is that it could help a lot on this track.

Aero I'm using the default areo 600/800 or 600/750. You don't really make up much on the straights running min aero and you lose some of it in the corners, but for full aero, the speed in the corners doesn't make up for the slight loss on the straight. Either way you go it seems it doesn't matter that much.

 

[Mamba]

manumanu19 suggests 2.800 and change the later values accordingly. That would give slightly taller gears if you're achieving higher top speeds than me whilst keeping in the curve.

I will play around with the gears a bit after seeing something on immortals lap I'm thinking Ill try a lower initial final gear such as 2600 or 2500 depending on how fifth gear feels and how soon I have to shift from 1st gear to 2nd especially on that hairpin. If I change Ill post the new gears

Edit: Sorry for the double post, hit reply then realized I had already posted.

 

[stiprdr]

ok tinkered a bit more with my setup and I am down to 1:24.06x on 28th spot, I will post later what I changed in the setup

 

[SW__10]

If anyone is interested I'm running full DF at the moment 👍.

I will post my tune at some point, I'm still playing with the settings.

I really like the last chicane!.......

 

[332i]

Didn't realize how much I like this car. I've thought it was too slow since it came out and avoided it. This thing is a blast on a track like this, though. I feel silly for avoiding it for a lack of speed all this time.

 

[Weider]

Didn't realize how much I like this car. I've thought it was too slow since it came out and avoided it. This thing is a blast on a track like this, though. I feel silly for avoiding it for a lack of speed all this time.

Come racing in an hour or so, the races are so much fun!

 

[flamingchariot]

I set a 1:29.745 in this time trial. Idk how people people got gold but I tried my best when I set that time. The only problem I am having is understeer even I try different driving style and tuning it. It is responsive but not responsive enough for me.

Adjust the Differential settings so you can put the mash down without spinning wheels or spinning out.

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[flamingchariot]

The tuning was easier in earlier games - that's not to say the effects of which when applied on the track were more realistic. You could go silly... its how most of us learnt the ropes.

 

[332i]

Come racing in an hour or so, the races are so much fun!

Ok thanks arty! I'll try to make it! Maybe I'll keep up better with you, racingline and chris lol.

 

[Motor City Hami]

West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna
559 PP, 172 hp, 455 kg
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod

Tuned for the WSR, 1983 Ayrton Senna Super Lap at Madrid. I was able to gold this event with just my transmission settings and lowering the LSD Accel to 25, using the default suspension settings. If you are just looking for gold, try that and move on. I then spent some time trying to squeak out a fast flying lap. My current lap is 1:25.816 which is good enough for 275th place at the moment. I have no idea how the fast among us are getting into the 1:24's and 1:23's. Maybe my tune in the hands of an alien can get there, but in my hands, its worth about a 1:25.

Link to the tune here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/page-20#post-10066380

 

[et_]

West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna
559 PP, 172 hp, 455 kg
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod

Tuned for the WSR, 1983 Ayrton Senna Super Lap at Madrid. I was able to gold this event with just my transmission settings and lowering the LSD Accel to 25, using the default suspension settings. If you are just looking for gold, try that and move on. I then spent some time trying to squeak out a fast flying lap. My current lap is 1:25.816 which is good enough for 275th place at the moment. I have no idea how the fast among us are getting into the 1:24's and 1:23's. Maybe my tune in the hands of an alien can get there, but in my hands, its worth about a 1:25.

Link to the tune here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/page-20#post-10066380

Thanks for the tune, I'll try it out, however I'm a bit suprised of the fact that you did'nt get atleast 1'24 out of it, I got 1'24.6 on my first lap with wheelspin all over the place, using almost stock setup, but with 800/900 DF and your gearbox.

 

[Jbaffoh]

West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna
559 PP, 172 hp, 455 kg
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod

Tuned for the WSR, 1983 Ayrton Senna Super Lap at Madrid. I was able to gold this event with just my transmission settings and lowering the LSD Accel to 25, using the default suspension settings. If you are just looking for gold, try that and move on. I then spent some time trying to squeak out a fast flying lap. My current lap is 1:25.816 which is good enough for 275th place at the moment. I have no idea how the fast among us are getting into the 1:24's and 1:23's. Maybe my tune in the hands of an alien can get there, but in my hands, its worth about a 1:25.

Link to the tune here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/page-20#post-10066380

Thanks for this, I'm going to try it right now. With your transmission and my own crappy tune, I was 0.600 below my 1'26.4xx ghost until the last hairpin, where I spun out. I'm hoping a pro tune like yours will get me into the 1'25's. If not, I want my money back!

 

[nExx]

Seasonal-Video, complete with my own tuning at the end:

Still many mistakes, will go again tomorrow!

 

[Motor City Hami]

Thanks for the tune, I'll try it out, however I'm a bit suprised of the fact that you did'nt get atleast 1'24 out of it, I got 1'24.6 on my first lap with wheelspin all over the place, using almost stock setup, but with 800/900 DF and your gearbox.

Honestly, time trials annoy me. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get faster in GT6. I took a real hard try at GT Academy and it made me feel really slow. I have 25 wins in SCCA racing with my Miata, yet I cannot drive my virtual cars to the same success.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Ok, Mr. Hami, sir, you've earned your $$$. I just dropped 1 second for 1'25.486. 230th place right now. I'm second on my friends list; 0.171 behind P63.

BUT, I had to reduce rear downforce to 850 from 900.

 

[Bluesman81977]

Did you start at default settings, then move Final gear to 2.500 then max speed to minimum?

I moved max speed first. That must be where i messex up. I'll try agan later. Thanks man.

 

[et_]

Honestly, time trials annoy me. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get faster in GT6. I took a real hard try at GT Academy and it made me feel really slow. I have 25 wins in SCCA racing with my Miata, yet I cannot drive my virtual cars to the same success.

IRL and GT6 are 2 different things, I'm not so suprised about that fact, and if you get to choose, is'nt IRL Racing talent better than GT6 talent Keep it up m8!

 

[Motor City Hami]

Ok, Mr. Hami, sir, you've earned your $$$. I just dropped 1 second for 1'25.486. 230th place right now. I'm second on my friends list; 0.171 behind P63.

BUT, I had to reduce rear downforce to 850 from 900.

Hey, that's great for you, but you just knocked me down from 275th to 276th. Happy that the tune helped.

IRL and GT6 are 2 different things, I'm not so suprised about that fact, and if you get to choose, is'nt IRL Racing talent better than GT6 talent Keep it up m8!

True. It's just something about feel. IRL is easier feel what the car is doing. I have been thinking about buying a new gaming wheel. Is the Club Sport the best on the market?

 

[flamingchariot]

Never touched the downforce just went with Hami's trans suggestion to reap benefit of the power band of this cheeky little number. Got a 1:28:738 on first clean try but there is plenty of more time to chipped off because I was slow out of first corner and clipped a curb or 2.

Happy all the same in top 5000 for a few hours again ha ha . GT6 knows how some of you DS3 this shizz... I can't live without my wheel

 

[stiprdr]

I have edited and saved my tune on the second page with what I modified today, managed to get finally a 1:23:988 for the 32nd position atm enjoy guys

 

[Jbaffoh]

Hey, that's great for you, but you just knocked me down from 275th to 276th. Happy that the tune helped.

Dropped downforce to 825, and my time to 1'25.325. Just 0.010" behind the leader on my friends list. Grrrr.

 

[Jbaffoh]

1'25.198

Gotta break 1'24!

Using Motor City Hami tune. I'm an average driver using a great tune!

 

[lldantell]

Adjust the Differential settings so you can put the mash down without spinning wheels or spinning out.

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Thanks for the LSD settings. I left everything stock on this car and use this setting and the car behave like I want it too and it drop my time to 1:28.804.

 

[flamingchariot]

Thanks for the LSD settings. I left everything stock on this car and use this setting and the car behave like I want it too and it drop my time to 1:28.804.

You're welcome - now just build on that to shave off seconds - braking less and using throttle control on the bends. Accelerate quicker out of turns and try to get the last chicane nailed without touching curbs.
I'm going to have another crack tomorrow

 

[tbone_2004]

Man, after 5 different tunes, SCREW THIS SEASONAL! I CAN'T GET UNDER 1:29:300! I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR TWO DAYS NOW... forget it, I'll come back to it another time. But seriously, WHAT'S WITH THESE UNBALANCED SEASONALS?!