X1 Prototype- WOW!

Yeah that video is a mock up of what the track speed would look like, but not really. F1 cars can take some of those turns flat out. It'd be no different with the X1, the thing that would change would be the acceleration and the downforce. Downforce is the key here. That's why they need all that HP. Group C cars would go just as fast if they weren't weight penalized in the 90's. The FIA had to slow them down because they were faster than the F1 cars. If they were on modern tires, they'd be crazy fast. 1600lbs with 1200hp? Modern tires and brakes would allow those cars to be faster than anything. Ground Effects, look it up! The Aero efficiency of those group c cars was crazy.
 
Yeah that video is a mock up of what the track speed would look like, but not really. F1 cars can take some of those turns flat out. It'd be no different with the X1, the thing that would change would be the acceleration and the downforce. Downforce is the key here. That's why they need all that HP. Group C cars would go just as fast if they weren't weight penalized in the 90's. The FIA had to slow them down because they were faster than the F1 cars. If they were on modern tires, they'd be crazy fast. 1600lbs with 1200hp? Modern tires and brakes would allow those cars to be faster than anything. Ground Effects, look it up! The Aero efficiency of those group c cars was crazy.

^This!

With a slight chance of repeating myself - I can not wait to drive the X1...
 
The only thing that seems a bit far fetched is the weight of this thing. 1500 horsepower gas turbine and a Chapparal style ground effect kit, all encased in a body that's supposed to be able to take the G-forces and power of that kit without snapping in two and weigh less than 600kg?
 
So the X1 generates 2500kg of downforce and can corner atl 8.25g's in GT5! F1 drivers and even fighter pilots would have trouble with within no time.
 
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So the X1 generates 2500kg of downforce and can corner atl 8.25g's in GT5! F1 drivers and even fighter pilots would have trouble with within no time.

You can't compare vertical Gs from an airplane with horizontal Gs from a car, vertical G-forces prevent the blood from flowing to or out of the brain.
 
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You can't compare vertical Gs from an airplane with horizontals from a car, vertical Gforces prevent the blood from flowing to or out of the brain.

Since the drivers are almost lying down the forces from accelerating and braking do run through their body and the lateral Gs from turning try to tear your head off and push your organs around inside your rib cage.

F1 drivers have problems with anti clockwise circuits and it's reckoned that an average person would only last something like 6 laps in an F1 car before they couldn't hold their head up any longer.

Even though an F1 driver is probably the most qualified to drive the X1 they might not be able to take it for long and fighter pilots have G suits to help them cope.
 
Guys, its just a video of a Nissan GTR that has been speeded up using video editing to make it roughly the same time as vettels, if you look at the speed he rarely goes above 100mph, formula 1 cars will take corners at 150mph that the car in the video is doing at 70mph
Since the video is sped up the speedometer is wrong.
 
Since the drivers are almost lying down the forces from accelerating and braking do run through their body and the lateral Gs from turning try to tear your head off and push your organs around inside your rib cage.

F1 drivers have problems with anti clockwise circuits and it's reckoned that an average person would only last something like 6 laps in an F1 car before they couldn't hold their head up any longer.

Even though an F1 driver is probably the most qualified to drive the X1 they might not be able to take it for long and fighter pilots have G suits to help them cope.

Yeah I wouldn't make the arguement that they could do a 300km race in a X1, but they could manage some laps in before exhaustion, it's hard to compare tho, in a F1 the downforce is relative to the speed of the car, so there isn't that much 4-5G corners on a track, now the X1 sucks itself to the ground. Still lateral Gs are easy to cope with compared to verticals and the only vertical Gs in a F1 are in the legs under braking and acceleration for very short period of time.
 
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How can one handle such speed?! That my friend is what I like to call... an axe murderer with headlights!



Training training training and training.

And there are people that reach zone 150............... :drool:

He is even better:

 
I really hope you can get it in that carbon fibre skin/colour/paint that you can see in the teaser videos, I prefer that look than the red bull styling. Also it would be nice to have a small range of colours for it, but i'd be happy with the carbon fibre look if not. What do you all think?
 
I really hope you can get it in that carbon fibre skin/colour/paint that you can see in the teaser videos, I prefer that look than the red bull styling. Also it would be nice to have a small range of colours for it, but i'd be happy with the carbon fibre look if not. What do you all think?

All Black please!! :)
 
Forgive my ignorance but wouldn't a gas turbine engine put a big amount of stress on brakes? Using that logic this wouldn't be a good endurance car would it?
 
Forgive my ignorance but wouldn't a gas turbine engine put a big amount of stress on brakes? Using that logic this wouldn't be a good endurance car would it?

I take it you're referring to the article posted earlier in the thread about Chapman experimenting with turbines in F1, they weren't using any kind of variable transmission and there was a lot of lag in both speeding up and slowing down the turbine which was very hard on the brakes. With a CVT I don't think that would be a problem and it could possibly be used for some of the braking.
 
I cannot wait to drive the thing. However I sense after all lap records are dominated with tuned versions of this car (can i even call it that?), people will settle down into just doing the fastest laps WITOUT this car.
Yup, I predict another Ferrari F1.
Unless that monster has no traction control, and all the other newbie friendly controls, it becomes a matter of if you can stay alive on the track. It's the modern Toyota 7, a good looking coffin if you don't know what your doing.
Our only hope to battle the X1 is...
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The technology is there, i don't disagree, but in reality it will always be 1000x more difficult to reproduce than in a simulation, it's never as simple as how people seem to imagine. There are physical limitations of materials, tyres and especially what the human body can take. Formula 1 cars are already extremely fast and at the edge, yes they could go a lot faster without restrictions but there is so far it can be taken.

As i said, this is a comic book fiction until it is a reality. Its never as simple as stats on a piece of paper, which is all we have.
 
^ I think the amount of "improved" parts that are put on F1s in free practice just to be removed for qualif and race proove that, but since probably noone will put money on this particular fantasy project, it's the closest to the "real" thing we'll ever get.
 
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The parts put on the F1 cars in practice are just for that, practice. They don't have testing days so they test their new parts on Fridays. If those new parts are good, they'll usually run them the next weekend. But now since the end of the season is here, big teams in the hunt for the championship, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren; all are bringing parts and racing with them if they perform better than the previous. Just in Japan at Suzuka, McLaren had parts but Hamilton crashed and wasn't able to set up the car the best. But he still used the parts because they were faster. Now in Korea, he'll have a new rear wing that wasn't able to be used, and also i think further updates to their front wing.
 
The parts put on the F1 cars in practice are just for that, practice. They don't have testing days so they test their new parts on Fridays. If those new parts are good, they'll usually run them the next weekend. But now since the end of the season is here, big teams in the hunt for the championship, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren; all are bringing parts and racing with them if they perform better than the previous. Just in Japan at Suzuka, McLaren had parts but Hamilton crashed and wasn't able to set up the car the best. But he still used the parts because they were faster. Now in Korea, he'll have a new rear wing that wasn't able to be used, and also i think further updates to their front wing.

My point is, those parts are tested on free practice because the simulation model showed they would be an improvement, and often enough reality tell the simulation wrong.
 
this is basically what the X1 would look driving trough suzuka! (speed) 👍:drool::scared::nervous::crazy:
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Not quite. The X1 will have much better acceleration and speed, and since it takes less time to get through the straights it probably won't be quite that fast in the corners.

Either way, it's going to blow my mind.
 
Yup, I predict another Ferrari F1.
Unless that monster has no traction control, and all the other newbie friendly controls, it becomes a matter of if you can stay alive on the track. It's the modern Toyota 7, a good looking coffin if you don't know what your doing.
Our only hope to battle the X1 is...
Mach-5.-5x7.jpg
Oh well that be would be awesome to drive!
only if..
 
Not quite. The X1 will have much better acceleration and speed, and since it takes less time to get through the straights it probably won't be quite that fast in the corners.

Either way, it's going to blow my mind.

Yeah I agree, in that video its super smooth thourghout, with the X1 you need to slow down on corners so very hard braking and accelerating action. By the time you spit out your guts with hard braking, the acceleration of that beast will thrust them back in!
 
Some news ( or at least interview and new pictures of the X1 ) from CarMagazine.

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Mr Gran Turismo speaks on the eve of GT5's launch
By Jethro Bovingdon

Motor Industry

21 October 2010 10:33


The fifth instalment of the Gran Turismo PlayStation epic has slipped back from 5 November, probably to the first week of December 2010. But this month’s CAR Magazine – on sale now – reveals the new game’s hero car, the ultimate track racer designed by Red Bull and GT coders Polyphony.

The 249mph racer, the Red Bull X1 prototype, is a collaboration between legendary F1 designer Adrian Newey and Kazunori Yamauchi, the genius behind Gran Turismo. Yamauchi took time out from his round-the-clock work mastering the final game, to tell CAR magazine all about Gran Turismo 5. Buy the November 2010 issue to discover the X1’s full tech spec, and how much faster Sebastian Vettel is around the Suzuka track compared with his RB6 F1 racer.

CAR: The tie-up with Red Bull Racing sounds very exciting. Was it your idea to approach Adrian Newey to design a unique race car?

Kazunori Yamauchi: 'This was an idea that I had kept to myself for several years. The concept for achieving the “Fastest Car on Land” was already set prior to this, and the design for the car was being worked on within Polyphony. But my next thought was that if we were to create this, that we would want to work together with an experienced racing car designer. If possible the best in the world, the “Real Deal” so to speak. And thanks to Red Bull, a path connecting us to Adrian was opened for us.

'I can’t forget how nervous I felt when we went to Red Bull Racing in Milton Keynes and presented the model we designed to Adrian for the very first time. I had fully expected to be scolded, that he would tell us that “this is a useless piece of junk”. But Adrian was actually interested in our sketches and our modelling, and liked the design. And he proceeded to give us finely detailed, wonderful advice that only Adrian would know. He also presented us with a great technical concept that is prohibited in the world of F1 within which Adrian normally resides, the X1 Prototype.'

How did you find working with him and are you pleased with the way the X1 turned out?

'Adrian is a person that can understand the simple facts, that something beautiful, is just simply beautiful, without question. He did not seem like a hard-headed engineer type, rather, he was an artist. The communication between Adrian and myself was very smooth and exciting. It was something like an improvisation between two jazz musicians. Through that session with Adrian, I was endowed with this priceless experience, like that of a student being given confidence from a teacher or a mentor.'

Have you driven their F1 simulator? How does it compare to GT5?

'I have in fact tried driving an F1 simulator before. I only have one thing to say about the experience… I really envy that incredible hardware and facility! I want to try using that hardware with GT5! And - I think one day it will happen.'

GT5 has been a long time in development. Have there been problems or is the timeline a reflection of the sophistication of the new game?

'The development of the first Gran Turismo took 5 years, and even with three titles released between GT4 and GT5 this is the longest development time we’ve taken since that first game. I can physically feel myself getting older and older when creating video games!

'The reasons for the development taking so long has to do with the great increase in the quality expected from a product since moving to the PS3, and also because the hurdles we set for ourselves were very high. Our objective was to create a great revolution in GT5, something to the likes of which has never been seen since GT1 back in 1997, so we had to set our sights very high. As a result, GT5 became an extremely large and complex project, almost like the Apollo Space Programme.'

How big a leap is the simulation of car dynamics and the graphics over GT4?

'I think you can see the evolution in graphics as soon as you see the screen. The amount of information on that screen is significantly higher than in GT4 and the precision of the car models have been improved by a hundredfold. It’s also important to note that weather and time-of-day transitions have been implemented. This has great meaning to both the graphics and the physics. And the physics have been revised 100% for GT5. If you accelerate, brake, turn the steering and feel the information coming from the front and rear tires, you’ll be able to tell the difference immediately. And while it has now become a tool that nurtures real racing drivers as in the GT Academy project (run in conjuction with Nissan the Academy pitched the best gamers from around the world in real race cars. The winner of the first competition in 2008, Lucas Ordóñez, is still competing with success), GT5 is also designed to answer to the expectations of a wide range of players at the same time.'

Expectation is huge for GT5. Are you confident the new game will satisfy fans of the game?

'I‘m glad that expectations are high, but of course that brings some pressure at the same time. The final objective of Gran Turismo is always to answer to the expectations of the users, and furthermore, to exceed those expectations. It would make me very happy if we’re able to satisfy fans, and at the same time surprise them.'

What part of GT5 makes you the most proud?

'I think it’s the innovation. I think Gran Turismo is something that needs to always continue being innovative.'

Imagine you can only have one car and one track for the rest of your days playing GT5. What would the combination be?

'The Nürburgring has a special place in my heart. Driving there is fun in both real and the virtual. As for the car… the Ferrari 330P4 perhaps. That would be the dream combination.'

>> See the full feature in the November 2010 issue of CAR Magazine

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/S...ran-Turismo-speaks-on-the-eve-of-GT5s-launch/
 
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