X1 Prototype- WOW!
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Remember the E3 2010 trailer? At the very end they seal a car of some sort into a container. Could that be an X1?
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Although opinions indeed can differ greatly and I'm not trying to persuade you and wasn't trying to persuade you to actually like this car or think otherwise than that it shouldn't be added for the simple fact it doesn't exist.
I merely objected to your criticism that it therefore was an impossible arcade-style racer which is unfounded.
The argument that you aren't ever able to drive it in real life ( I know you meant it theoreticallly ) is probably the same for a lot of cars which do exist though ( concept cars, priceless one-off classic racecars like the XJ13, etc. ).
I hated that Nike concept car in GT4 for largely the same reasons, not just that it didn't exist but the absurd ( although not impossible ) notion of a car made in the far future by a maker of trainers and sportswear.
That concept had technology which so far wasn't ( and isn't ) even invented and was partly a far-fetched science fiction exercise and partly a cynical marketing strategy by a multinational to tap into GT's succes which had thusfar no link with motorsport or the car industry.
The X1 is different though, it's technology does exist and its creator ( and the company he works for ) obviously has links to the highest form of motorsport for years and years and integrated a lot of technology and ideas which existed already for years and years but were banned by the FIA ( nothing new about active suspension, large fan at the back, etc. ).
It merely shows what could be possible right now, not what might be conceivable in the far future.
Look at it this way, it's the only car available in the world where everybody ( rich and poor, racecar driver or car journalist, etc. ) has to experience it in the same way, through playing GT5.
I think that's a nice thought.
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The Nike ONE also was a just for gaming design also wasn't it?
I think they could build the X1 in real life but what would be the point? It wouldn't be allowed to race in any series, for sure isn't street legal and would cost astronomical amounts of money to build. So why build it, show it off at 50% around a track for publicity and then shove it in a museum?
I am happy with it being in GT5 it show's what could have been if the current rules allowed such creations. There is a car like it just not to it's extremity. At most you will probably only be able to drive it in one series anyway's and maybe a license test
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I think they could build the X1 in real life but what would be the point? It wouldn't be allowed to race in any series, for sure isn't street legal and would cost astronomical amounts of money to build. So why build it, show it off at 50% around a track for publicity and then shove it in a museum?
I am happy with it being in GT5 it show's what could have been if the current rules allowed such creations. There is a car like it just not to it's extremity. At most you will probably only be able to drive it in one series anyway's and maybe a license test
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Sorry if I wasnt clear on the matter of the car. Yes in the current shape of the mid ship area of the X-1 with out the fan system and other aero parts placed at mid ship it will give lift. If you look at the top view of the X-1 youll see a set of reversed wings these wings are very similar to the front nose wings of the X-29 Thrust Vectoring Jet which was developed in the late 80s early 90s. Now these wings work in conjunction with the front nose. As we know the front wing passes air over the car making down force; and you can see that the front wings are just a single plan design rather than two or three wing design. With the placement and angle it passes not only over the car but through the controlling arms and over the center body canards. The placement of the canards will direct the air over the rear mid ship of the body, the front inlets of the turbine bay and to the second diffuser. Now a low pressure effect will happen in these areas allow the air over the car to move faster pushing that area of the car down. Now with the Turbine fan system in place with the main intake diffuser air under the car sucking air from under will affect a greater low pressure area than on top. Allowing that air to move six to eight time faster than the air on top; now with the lower pressures being caused by the main intake and second diffusers will allow the air under and over the car to travel faster creating the down force needed.
Thrust Gear Box...
A thrust gear box is a series of fans linked to a primary shaft driven by the thrust of the exhaust coming from the turbine. If this type of set up was designed to work with a standard transmission it wouldnt stand the force the turbine engine creates. It would blow into shards at 5,000 rpm. But designed with a Variable Transmission which would only have one static shaped belt with four shaping cones; but maybe in this case two to three belts s and 12 shaping cones will be needed. Now this type of transmission would be able to stand the force of a Turbine Engine due to its lower number of moving parts. The only down fall of this type of design up to 85% of torque is lost. Thats why the X-1 is able to produce 527lb ft @ 12,000RPM. If the variable transmission would be able to be re-designed it should be able to produce 1600lb ft @ 12,00RPM. But then youll in the area of designing axles and tires to put that power to the ground.
Well, the X1 doesn't have a gas turbine engine, nor doers it have CVT. It's a turbo V6. Wahtever the magazine said before, isn't what the Polyphony website says. Not a thing about gas turbine as far as I know.
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Peter
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So, you think you can do a better job than the world's best designer, whose won a bag of championships with his cars?
I need to ask you, how do you think they could've improved it? More power? I think 1500hp is the most a turbo V6 could possibly do with modern day technology, and any more and the transmission would probably be ripped to shreds after 1000 feet. So ,what is it?
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Yes we all know that the engine is NOW a TT V6. But if you got to the first post that we got about the X-1’s specs it clearly says GAS TURBINE ENGINE. The new info was giving to us on the 28th right? (right)
If you wish this idea be looked at our senior members of GT Planet please start a voting poll on this subject at http://ideas.gtplanet.net
It would be faster and easier for them to find out about the matter rather than reading through all the threads. Thank you..
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True but what of the center fan mid ship in the car. (If theres really one there now) The intake ducks are clearly under the car. It would be very hard for a fan (s) that small to be able to pull that much air from under the car unless it was using an electro magnetic disc to drive the fan(s). And using one those would disrupt all the electronics in that car. Though if it was shielded it may be another sorry. But the shield would weigh close to 100lbs for each fan(s).
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The black X1?
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I did mention somewhere that there should be an X1 Prototype championship, but i'm not sure what the prize car for winning this championship would be
Lots of credits + X1 Early Version (without the fan, with a slightly different bodywork, and possibly with the gas turbine engine and CVT transmission) ?
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Yeah, I was thinking it would have a bare Carbon Fibre body along with the Gas Turbine Engine, and the large sum of money from winning the event.
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I’m sorry but after reading all the comments on the X-1; also how the magazine got the specs either right or wrong. (Which either had to come from Red Bull or PD) Then we get new info from the Gran Turismo home site just a few days after we start talking about the X-1 and I come up with my theory. I don’t know about you but it’s really getting to me. Oh well such is life.
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I'm referring to this version:
Now that would be a true test between the two versions.
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I don't think that what I said was really an idea, more a reminder that the X1 is not an F1 car, and that proper F1 car should be used for an F1 championship instead, and if they wish to use the X1 in a championship, they should not call it an F1 championship.
Besides, the ideas pages are hardly active nowadays.
^ Isn't that uploaded by GTPlanet and the same as the video from here? https://www.gtplanet.net/red-bull-x1-sebastian-vettel-gameplay-video-screenshots/
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That is wrong^
