X2014 Good, or Bad?

[nostuner03]

I think it's cool to see what an F1 car out of the regulations would look and drive like. Also, just because some fools used the X1 in the wrong way doesn't mean the car shouldn't be in the next game. Don't blame PD, blame the host of the rooms and fools who like to troll with it. Anyways, I'm looking forward to the next iteration of this radical F1 car.

 

[ZedMan1996]

I think it's cool to see what an F1 car out of the regulations would look and drive like. Also, just because some fools used the X1 in the wrong way doesn't mean the car shouldn't be in the next game. Don't blame PD, blame the host of the rooms and fools who like to troll with it. Anyways, I'm looking forward to the next iteration of this radical F1 car.

I love your words! No one could not have said it any better 👍

 

[Castrol96]

I don't care for online modes anymore, only if the car would be very hard to obtain, maybe getting 100% complete.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

In general more cars is always good, That said I'm not much for racing cars that are that fast, even driving it is a chore. Definitely would not want in an online lobby but still cool to take out now and then, maybe try to set a hot lap here and there just for something to do.

I actually prefer the DTM and GT cars as well as many of the production cars.

 

[Inferno251]

Provided its not duplicated/hacked to s:censored:, and not given away for free, I'll be fine with it.
Personally, I think they should make the X2014 a special car that can only be raced with other models of it (like the Ferrari F1's). That would counter the grinding (both online and offline) and the value/effort of duplicating (if that's still possible)

 

[RACECAR]

3. I believe designing and building the X1 is a complete waste on the development side. I'd rather see those same efforts put into a more realistic car, perhaps a fantasy racer of sorts, maybe designed by Newey, but something that could exist in reality but doesn't for some reason, perhaps cost, perhaps a technological breakthrough of some kind or whatever. Throw a bunch of liveries on it, make engine swaps possible for different levels of racing etc. Something useful.

How would that be a waste of time? Its one car that doesn't even exist and I doubt it took away THAT much development time from the game.

Having hosts that pay attention all the time and do a great job is not going to happen on GT and the hundreds of posts about people belabouring X1 trolls is testament to that. Lobby hosts change all the time when they leave and you don't know what you're getting. I just feel in general, hosts and participants need many more tools at their disposal to limit race/track entry to a narrow range of cars, and the ability along with it to exclude specific cars as well, so that good online lobbies are not as host dependent as they are now.

I'm gonna guess you and many others do not use private lobbies. I haven't once had some troll come into the room with X1 everytime I used private lobbies. If people are so worried, then why did they continue to use public lobbies? Everyone who's played enough online in most racing games know there is always gonna be at least one troll car in a public lobby, just so happens GT5's was the X1. Its literally the same thing I've seen in other games, only difference being this car is fictional.

 

[Johnnypenso]

How would that be a waste of time? Its one car that doesn't even exist and I doubt it took away THAT much development time from the game.

I'm gonna guess you and many others do not use private lobbies. I haven't once had some troll come into the room with X1 everytime I used private lobbies. If people are so worried, then why did they continue to use public lobbies? Everyone who's played enough online in most racing games know there is always gonna be at least one troll car in a public lobby, just so happens GT5's was the X1. Its literally the same thing I've seen in other games, only difference being this car is fictional.

Resources are limited. Time spent on developing and designing the X1 removes at least one and probably more, real, practical cars that could be in the game. My preference, you don't have to agree.

Private lobbies don't change the fact that there are hundreds of open lobbies available every night. Not everyone has the time to develop relationships with reliable hosts nor the schedule to be able to attend regular fixed events. Private lobbies aren't an option for everyone. And if you believe there is at least one X1 trolling in each public lobby, why not prevent the trolling to begin with?

 

[RACECAR]

Resources are limited. Time spent on developing and designing the X1 removes at least one and probably more, real, practical cars that could be in the game. My preference, you don't have to agree.

I'm just not understanding how it takes away development time. Do they have a team dedicated to that one car? I doubt PD is that limited on resources and plus its Only them that decided to go with the idea of adding 1000 cars to their game. I'm just trying to understand the logic behind your reasoning on that. No Trouble intended.

Private lobbies don't change the fact that there are hundreds of open lobbies available every night. Not everyone has the time to develop relationships with reliable hosts nor the schedule to be able to attend regular fixed events. Private lobbies aren't an option for everyone. And if you believe there is at least one X1 trolling in each public lobby, why not prevent the trolling to begin with?

I'm sorry, how exactly? I already had friends way before this game came out so I didn't really take any time to develop these relationships with hosts, I just found people and voila, there we went.

Also, you're never really going to stop trolling (Especially with people like this who now make essentially a entertainment platform out of it) so best thing to do is watch what room you go to. Now I've actually been to some public rooms (with hosts I don't know nor had any previously history with) and didn't have anyone come in with an X1 so its possible. I just suggest the private rooms as a complete end-all solution.

 

[trustjab]

Ive raced plenty online lobbies. Public and private. The RB X cars are not hard to weed out. Most 'trolling' Ive experienced is done by kids who don't even know how to handle the car. They end up rage quitting because they get dusted by people with normal cars. The car isn't the problem, it's the "losers who abuse her".

 

[AnAL0G]

And if you believe there is at least one X1 trolling in each public lobby, why not prevent the trolling to begin with?

That's not the case though, not even close. Honestly, my experience is that there are far more lobbies with hosts who are racing amongst their friends, otherwise they don't host in the first place because people don't tend to join rooms that show up with just one person in the lobby.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

Love the Red Bull X1 and looking forward to the X2014. As far as troll cars...Archie said it best.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How is the X1 series not revolutionary? Its probably the most revolutionary & ambitious car design yet.

Don't think you understood me, I'm not saying the base isn't revolutionary because it is since it allows for mass change from season to season and adaptability. However, that is where the X1 has freedom that the RB5 didn't and they still made it work with plenty of innovation and evolution. The X14 I wouldn't say is revolutionary unless it was totally changed, and new ideas were chased or different ones. However, like those that followed the X2010 the X14 is just building upon it and evolving to be better than before, while still echoing what it once was. That is why it is evolutionary like the iterations that followed the RB5 (RB6-RB9). Just because it isn't revolutionary every time a new one comes out doesn't mean I'm saying it's a bad thing.

From an engineering perspective I hold it in high regards.

 

[eran0004]

When it comes to troll cars, if there weren't any X1's, they would just move on to whatever the second best car would be.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

When it comes to troll cars, if there weren't any X1's, they would just move on to whatever the second best car would be.

Probably the Veyron like some rooms do already.

 

[R.S]

I don't mind it being there as a toy, But I don't see anything fancy about a fantasy car in a video game. It's the same as civics with 2000hp.

Would like to see it actually made in real life though, and driven hard around suzuka (with an emergency ejector seat). Or even driven by a computer or remote control.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

My wife would argue my cars are all toys.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't mind it being there as a toy, But I don't see anything fancy about a fantasy car in a video game. It's the same as civics with 2000hp.

Would like to see it actually made in real life though, and driven hard around suzuka (with an emergency ejector seat). Or even driven by a computer or remote control.

How is it the same as 2000 bhp Civics? One lives in a video game and the other actually breathes in the real world.

 

[R.S]

How is it the same as 2000 bhp Civics? One lives in a video game and the other actually breathes in the real world.

Ok fine lol, correction 10,000 hp Civics.

 

[ZeroTheNorth]

I wouldnt mind the X2014, i like the other X1's because it is quite tricky but fun to drive when you master it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ok fine lol, correction 10,000 hp Civics.

Now we're just talking fairy tails and craziness

 

[NOSWaster]

I see a lot of broken logic here.

Basically, some people say, "Trolls use the X series! Ban it from being used with other cars!" Then the trolls move onto a different car. "Trolls use this new car! Ban it from everything else!" See the problem?

The car is not the problem. It's the idiots. As Ron White said, "You can't fix stupid." You can only hope the host is doing his/er job properly. If not, then find a new room. It doesn't take me more than 5 minutes to find a room that I race in for about 5-6 hours.

Surely I'm not the only one who actually looks through the list of rooms instead of going, "HURP DURP PICK THE FIRST ONE!".

 

[Exorcet]

And if you believe there is at least one X1 trolling in each public lobby, why not prevent the trolling to begin with?

I race almost exclusively in public lobbies with hosts I've never seen before and may never see again. I can count the number of X1's I've seen in a race with my fingers. And all of them as I recall were allowed to be there.

If we're going to ban cars that might be used to annoy people from the room, what are we left with? A car game without cars. The only problem I've seen online is people driving a car much faster than yours because they assume that if someone is driving a 2000 GT around a track the driver obviously isn't seriously driving and they want everyone else on the track to get behind them and push. Despite all the talk about the X1, no X1 has ever done this to me. But muscle cars? Yes. Sports cars? Yes. Real life race cars? Yes. Let's ban everything but the X1.

The X1 isn't a problem. It's not even a contributing factor to a problem. It just 1 car in the game, not unlike all the other cars which are just as capable, if not more capable, of causing a mess online.

 

[emula]

 

[snowgt]

Don't really care, if they make an X2014. Unless they create an almost unbeatable special event again that has nothing to do with driving and might result in you destroying your steering wheel in the process.

I just wouldn't drive it.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I think it's a bad idea. PD have finite resources.

I would much rather those resources were spent on modelling a real car which is at least semi attainable than something like this.

 

[MoLiEG]

Horrible idea...

 

[Duphman]

It helps them maintain a relationship with Red Bull Racing and Adrian Newey, exposing more kids to the engineering world in the process.

Could also help gain access to Red Bull Racing's library of racing cars including their FIA GT, DTM, Dakar, Pikes Peak Hillclimb, Drift and WRC cars.

It is only one car and yet it could be a good Pandora's Box for both exposure and access. Same with the Vision GT cars. Establishing these relationships helps in the long run.

 

[mistersafeway]

I think it's a bad idea. PD have finite resources.

I would much rather those resources were spent on modelling a real car which is at least semi attainable than something like this.

Yes, like the Jaguar XJ13 they put in GT5 that never even raced. Ooh, ooh, or the Nissan R390 Road Car that sits in a museum all day, just like the Toyota TS020 Road Car, Ford GT90 and Renault Espace F1 from GT2 which were some of the most interesting cars to drive. Would you object to them returning? They aren't any more attainable than the X2014.

The list of cars that "have no right to be in the game" (according to certain people) can be stretched to half the car list, yet everybody focuses on the X1 class cars. The fact is, Polyphony can put any car they want in the game and nobody should claim it took resources away from other cars. Unless they were privy to a meeting in which Kaz said "it'll cost us the McLaren P1, but lets do it anyway". As far as we know, it affected nothing.

 

[nostuner03]

I love your words! No one could not have said it any better 👍

Thank you. I'm glad to know great minds think a like, Haha.

 

[avens]

Yes, like the Jaguar XJ13 they put in GT5 that never even raced. Ooh, ooh, or the Nissan R390 Road Car that sits in a museum all day, just like the Toyota TS020 Road Car, Ford GT90 and Renault Espace F1 from GT2 which were some of the most interesting cars to drive. Would you object to them returning? They aren't any more attainable than the X2014.

The list of cars that "have no right to be in the game" (according to certain people) can be stretched to half the car list, yet everybody focuses on the X1 class cars. The fact is, Polyphony can put any car they want in the game and nobody should claim it took resources away from other cars. Unless they were privy to a meeting in which Kaz said "it'll cost us the McLaren P1, but lets do it anyway". As far as we know, it affected nothing.

Of course it does affect. If resources are finite then only a certain amount of time, staff and money is available, which is used for modelling a number of cars. Cost depends on where the vehicles are located, among other factors.

In other words and simplifying the matter, if they can model 100 cars overseas then making the Pikes Peak Peugeot means there are resources left for 99 cars and the cycle will go on until there's no more time, available staff and money, therefore the Peugeot decision directly affects the inclusion of other cars.

Surely adding the X2014 is not as resource consuming as others (by any means) and that Peugeot would be a great addition to the game, but other cars aren't as much so they shouldn't be first in the order of preference, focus. For example the newest Veloster is not as much as a great game seller than the McLaren P1 is, and as I said the resources or a part of the former could be used to have more desirable cars in GT6, GT7 or in GT2020 (the mentioned process applies to all videogames and every single work and aspects of life really).