X2014 Good, or Bad?

[Exorcet]

In other words and simplifying the matter, if they can model 100 cars overseas then making the Pikes Peak Peugeot means there are resources left for 99 cars and the cycle will go on until there's no more time, available staff and money, therefore the Peugeot decision directly affects the inclusion of other cars.

Only it's not that simple. The cars to be modeled might not all be able to be started at once, work on them might not be continuous or may need to stop and restart at points. Also, the X1 being what it is may be easier to fit into gaps of time that may be available for the devs to work in. It could have been the first car they started while waiting for the green light on everything else.

The car takes resources, but to say that it is taking the spot of another car is at best a guess.

 

[avens]

^Isn't that what I wrote?

Most probably the X2014 does not take the spot out of any car, yet others do.

To put it even simpler, the same logic can be applied to tracks and photomode locations.

 

[ZedMan1996]

You don't need resources for the X series because they are all virtual.
Well done chaps.

 

[avens]

You don't need resources for the X series because they are all virtual.
Well done chaps.

Depends on the extent of the modifications. Also making a car from scratch doesn't mean it is free to make, certainly the X2010 was quite expensive.

Anyway, the inclusion of the X2014 is not harmful per se. What made the X2010 absurd was how the GT5 lobbies worked, which should be fixed in GT6.
Also I hope PD fixes FFB issues: way too strong in a straight line in comparison to other cars (extreme) and to what it should be in a game (could damage wheels).

 

[kjb]

I don't mind it being there. I am of the mindset the more the merrier

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

As far as trolls go, it is up to the room host to take care of them. If you are running in lobbies where this is an issue then find another lobby or host one yourself.

In one race we had some kid come out in an X1 and he could not drive it even on Daytona Speedway. He was unable to win even in that and after one race he quit. That is the one and only time I have had any issue of that sort and never happened in a lobby that I hosted private or public.

There will always be trolls, if the X1 was not there then it would be a FGT or a Minolta or a Veyron or they would just drive backwards and try to crash people or whatever, a good host will take control of his/her lobby and limit this kind of thing through room settings and kicking players who are a problem.

So as many others have said it is not the car that is the issue, it is the users

 

[Samus]

You don't need resources for the X series because they are all virtual.
Well done chaps.

No you're right, they just make themselves don't they.

 

[trustjab]

No you're right, they just make themselves don't they.

That's literally taken.

If Newey wants a part of the game and its a cooperation, good. I'd rather have it than not. Now I'll wait for someone to say my opinion is wrong.

 

[Stephan]

Still never driven the X series but I fear for those trollers that might be taking it too far well I hope they will not be arrested for trolling.

Well the X14 might be an overkill as if there are some cars that were an overkill in the past GT games

GT1: Mitsubishi FTO LM/TVR Cerbera LM
GT2: Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak/any JGTC GTR
GT3: Toyota GTOne/Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak/FGT series
GT4: any LMP car mostly the Pescarolo
GT5: Red Bull X2010/11
GT6: ?????
I think the X14 might be a bad idea.

 

[Stephan]

I agree on trustjab. If Newey wants to have a contribution, just let PD use some of the F1 cars that he designed so in that way, no longer the FGT and F2007/F10 will face off both of them.

 

[dmcallis]

I'll vote as soon as I've seen it.

Oh, you mean the "idea" of the x2014?

Why didn't you say so?

 

[TokoTurismo]

I want to vote, but I can't for something I haven't even seen yet. Until it does existed, maybe I'll vote.

 

[Exorcet]

Still never driven the X series but I fear for those trollers that might be taking it too far well I hope they will not be arrested for trolling.

Well the X14 might be an overkill as if there are some cars that were an overkill in the past GT games

GT1: Mitsubishi FTO LM/TVR Cerbera LM
GT2: Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak/any JGTC GTR
GT3: Toyota GTOne/Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak/FGT series
GT4: any LMP car mostly the Pescarolo
GT5: Red Bull X2010/11
GT6: ?????
I think the X14 might be a bad idea.

There is no such thing as an overkill car, rules solve everything. The simplest is just no allowing a certain car to race. More host options solves every conceivable problem that people have with the X1.

In fact the X1 doesn't even belong on that list. Unlike the other cars it could not hide with other models and "unfairly" outperform them. It was in its own class. The other reason why the other cars are notable is because their performance outmatched their stats. Not the case with the X1.

 

[XS]

Meh, I'd drive it if it turns reality but certainly wouldn't miss an x-series car if left out. Like others have mentioned, yeah the x-series cars are annoying in the hands of trolls online, but in reality if they want to be trolls, they'll find other ways.

 

[SilverFire]

I don't get trolls. I just don't understand them at times.

Anyway, though the X series is fun to drive sometimes, I really don't see the point in having them. I honestly could go without them.

 

[sparkytooth]

I'd like an even more ludicrous Red Bull fantasy machine. It's hella fun and challenging to drive this thing by yourself on any track, the ring is especially fun and terrifying in this machine. The problem is human stupidity, the people who use this machine to ruin everyone else's fun online because they're dumb:censored:. And it's unfair to get rid of it just because trolls use them.

This machine is only meant to race against eachother or be driven as a track car by yourself, to be enjoyed. Not for trolling people with it's ridiculous speed. This is why people hate it.

 

[SilverFire]

I'd like an even more ludicrous Red Bull fantasy machine. It's hella fun to drive this thing by yourself on any track, the ring is especially fun and terrifying in this machine. The problem is human stupidity, the people who use this machine to ruin everyone else's fun online because they're dumb:censored:.

This machine is only meant to race against eachother or be driven as a track car by yourself, to be enjoyed. Not for trolling people with it's ridiculous speed. This is why people hate it.

Agreed 100%. 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

I agree on trustjab. If Newey wants to have a contribution, just let PD use some of the F1 cars that he designed so in that way, no longer the FGT and F2007/F10 will face off both of them.

I'm really going to go out on a limb with a totally wacky idea, but consider this. How about instead of wasting time designing something that does not and will never exist in real life, getting Newey to design entry, mid-level and top-end open wheelers so we can have PD put different liveries on them and actually incorporate them into the game in different tracks and series through A-spec and online?

Get out you say, put something into the game that we can actually use? Something that could actually run on a real race track? Something that might mimic entry, mid-level and top end open wheel racing series? Perhaps with 2 motors and 2 different levels of downforce to create 6 cars instead of 3? Blasphemy I say, blasphemy!!!!💡

 

[Exorcet]

Get out you say, put something into the game that we can actually use? Something that could actually run on a real race track? Something that might mimic entry, mid-level and top end open wheel racing series? Perhaps with 2 motors and 2 different levels of downforce to create 6 cars instead of 3? Blasphemy I say, blasphemy!!!!💡

There are plenty of those to choose from [to place in the game] though. The X1 isn't something I've seen proposed in other sims. It can run on a real track just as well as those other cars anyway.

 

[doblocruiser]

Hate that X-stuff

 

[lunarwolf]

I didn't like the previous X red bull. why would this be any different?

I prefer to slide around corners in GT cars

 

[Prototyp3]

I think it's "good"

It's a nice addition to the game. I'd rather it be there then not.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There are plenty of those to choose from [to place in the game] though. The X1 isn't something I've seen proposed in other sims. It can run on a real track just as well as those other cars anyway.

Gee, I drove a lot of cars in GT5 but I guess I missed the multi-liveried, beginner, mid and high level open wheelers and the whole A spec career mode that went with it.

 

[Exorcet]

I said there are plenty to choose from to place in the game. You could create fantasy ones, but why not just take the existing cars and use the time you would spending designing a serious fantasy car on something like the X1?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I said there are plenty to choose from to place in the game. You could create fantasy ones, but why not just take the existing cars and use the time you would spending designing a serious fantasy car on something like the X1?

PD "could" do a lot of things, but they didn't. My point was in reference to spending resources getting Newey to design a bs car that doesn't exist and never will. Open wheelers do exist however and if they aren't going to spend money to license them, which they didn't, I'd rather have seen Newey design a signature open wheel series of cars, of different performance levels, with A Spec and career modes designed around it. In my opinion, a far, far, far greater bang for the buck, but PD chose the flash and marketing hype route, rather than the substance. A poor choice in my opinion.

Pure speculation on my part, but a grid of 250 or 500 or 800 hp open wheelers designed by Newey, with many different albeit fantasy liveries, with kick ass engine sounds and handling, is a far greater attraction to the majority of GT players than the X1.

 

[Exorcet]

What does the X1 lack in substance? All it needs to be is properly engineered and thought out and it's valuable as any other car. Perhaps more valuable since you'll only get to really drive it in the sim.

 

[sparkytooth]

PD "could" do a lot of things, but they didn't. My point was in reference to spending resources getting Newey to design a bs car that doesn't exist and never will. Open wheelers do exist however and if they aren't going to spend money to license them, which they didn't, I'd rather have seen Newey design a signature open wheel series of cars, of different performance levels, with A Spec and career modes designed around it. In my opinion, a far, far, far greater bang for the buck, but PD chose the flash and marketing hype route, rather than the substance. A poor choice in my opinion.

Pure speculation on my part, but a grid of 250 or 500 or 800 hp open wheelers designed by Newey, with many different albeit fantasy liveries, with kick ass engine sounds and handling, is a far greater attraction to the majority of GT players than the X1.

You just might be onto a good idea there

Those machines would be a good replacement for the PS2 era FGT. The X1 can still stay there if they want, or they could make it the extreme tier.

They already did something with the X2010 5G by giving it less power and killing off the fan.

 

[tezster]

I think some of you are missing the point of a video game, even one that strives for realism. It allows you to bring to life ideas that don't exist in the physical world. Why put Newey to the work of designing cars similar to those he already does in real life (in a job that he gets bucket-loads of money to do).

Keeping every single element of the game within the bounds of realism misses the mark in terms of injecting some imagination into the GT franchise.

 

[Exorcet]

The X1 itself isn't even on the boarder or realism, but well within the bounds. People tend to confuse "realistic" with "exists in real life".

The other issue is that GT5 physics were flawed, and because people associate speed with realism rather than vehicle dynamics with realism, some conclude that the X1 is less realistic than other cars when it is basically exactly as realistic as the other cars in the game.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The X1 itself isn't even on the boarder or realism, but well within the bounds. People tend to confuse "realistic" with "exists in real life".

The other issue is that GT5 physics were flawed, and because people associate speed with realism rather than vehicle dynamics with realism, some conclude that the X1 is less realistic than other cars when it is basically exactly as realistic as the other cars in the game.

Our concept of realistic is different. Realistic to me is a car in which human beings can realistically drive to their limit consistently. No human being could drive the X1 any where near it's limits on a real track surface. At 8G's you enter a corner and your arms will weigh more than your entire body. When you're braking your legs will weigh 250+ lbs each, so unless you are squatting 5 bills in the gym, you aren't going to be able to lift your leg off the brake. One imperfection, one mistake, one too many stones on the track, one mistake of a few inches on a curb and you'd be sucking the drivers remains off the track with a shop-vac. If it can't be driven to it's limits by humans, it's not realistic to me.

Could you build the car? Of course. Can you drive it in a videogame? Yes, of course. If that's all it takes to be "realistic" for some, then I guess it's realistic, just not to me.