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I want to hate it, but I kind of like it.
You learn something new... - Cars you didn't know existed, until now!
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That looks like an Aston Lagonda with a V8 Zagato front end put on it.
They flipped that drivetrain around 180 degrees, and put it in their new mid engined car. This is despite the drivetrain of that car having such problems with braking stability that GM was sued over it by the NHTSA. Then for lack of a suitable budget despite all those savings, they installed the front suspension out of this:
It would be like Chrysler consulting with Carrol Shelby and Lamborghini to design the original Viper out of leftover Plymouth Volare parts. Then they waited 4 years before redesigning the suspension to something that would make it actually handle like a mid engined car rather than a snow plow, only to cancel it immediately after investing the money into it (which is incidentally why the last model year is the one everyone wants).
So not sure if compliment.
Fun fact: My dad almost bought a Fiero in 1990 when he was looking to replace his Scirocco. He test drove it a couple times, before finding that the Cavalier Z/24 (of all things) he ultimately bought handled better and didn't go all wet noodle with the chassis when driven hard.
They took the entire drivetrain out one of the worst cars GM ever made:
They flipped that drivetrain around 180 degrees, and put it in their new mid engined car. This is despite the drivetrain of that car having such problems with braking stability that GM was sued over it by the NHTSA. Then for lack of a suitable budget despite all those savings, they installed the front suspension out of this:
It would be like Chrysler consulting with Carrol Shelby and Lamborghini to design the original Viper out of leftover Plymouth Volare parts. Then they waited 4 years before redesigning the suspension to something that would make it actually handle like a mid engined car rather than a snow plow, only to cancel it immediately after investing the money into it (which is incidentally why the last model year is the one everyone wants).
So not sure if compliment.
Fun fact: My dad almost bought a Fiero in 1990 when he was looking to replace his Scirocco. He test drove it a couple times, before finding that the Cavalier Z/24 (of all things) he ultimately bought handled better and didn't go all wet noodle with the chassis when driven hard.
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I had a 3 speed Cavi for about a year before it was deemed unsafe. I hated it because the trans made the car so sluggish & hard to safely pull out in traffic. It took like 2 minute to hit 107mph at full throttle. I always like the Z/24 models tho. Civic killers they were.
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My Grand Am I had was recalled for the ignition bursting into flames. It never did. My Cobalt was recalled for the fuel return line cracking & bursting into flames. Never happened. Every car ever made has at least one component that is "bad" The Ford Pinto exploded when tapped on the rear but it's still one of the coolest cars Ford made. I admit the Fiero had design flaws but which car doesn't? It was a cool car to me so your opinion is meaningless to me. Just because you have "knowledge" of cars does't mean you can talk down to me. I have knowledge of cars to so let me return the favor. "Your en idjiot bet you dont know wat en enjine is hurr hurr"
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The fact you are attempting to base your argument on recalls alone tells me you still have no clue what you're talking about. That & you called the Pinto a "cool" Ford.
My experience comes from actually owning one, not my dad. Everything Fred & Toronado said pretty much sums up the majority of Fieros & that's a pretty cold hard fact. There will never be a recall for how slow it was, how cheaply made it was, or why it was even built. Recall or not, this car had a reputation for engine fires because it happened. A lot. But, feel free to ignore numerous accounts; 112 out of every 1700 is a lot.
Keep up the little comebacks that don't address anything regarding the actual car, either. Only shows me that attacking anything off the subject is the first sign of the inability to counter the point.
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Nice car, though it would look better without the Subaru STI wing on the back.
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^ I'm implying that '80s styling, I'm aware that the Pantera is a groovy-'70s car. 
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Not enough people know about the Lightburn Zeta. The err... interesting gearbox (that required you to turn the engine off to select reverse) allowed go the same speed backwards as you could going forwards. With all 4 gears.
Hands down the best car Australia has ever made.
Even less people know about the err... sports version of the Zeta
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1998 Toyota Levin BZ-R
I just found out about this car yesterday while UCD hunting in GT5. Although this is a fwd car, I wonder if this car is the predecessor of the current BR-Z.
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It's not Congress. It's American companies being lazy with engineering.
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Don't know what you're talking about, but I hear Ford's doing absolutely stellar.
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Pretty sure in the past decade the big three have replaced all of the older V6/I4 engines with clean sheet designs that more directly match those of other companies.
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My original comment related to those older engines. You have to admit, for all their displacement, they didn't generate much power. 3 litres plus and less than two hundred horsepower? Lame. Seven litres and less than three hundred? Bah. Even some big European engines, like the Rover V8, could be a bit lethargic at lower displacements. Could be due to its United States origins.
But true, they're doing far better this millennium. I hear that the new Mustang will be available in Europe only with the 2.0L ecoboost.
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My comments were referring to late 70s through early 2000s Big Three as well.
Don't get me wrong. I'm pretty satisfied with how Detroit's doing right now considering how bad they were just 10 years ago. I'm particularly impressed by the current Ford.
Don't get me wrong. I'm pretty satisfied with how Detroit's doing right now considering how bad they were just 10 years ago. I'm particularly impressed by the current Ford.
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Hello, where have you been in the last 3-5 years? GM & Ford have come very far.
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