Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Custer85]

Maybe PD just wanted to add as many Premium cars from different performence levels as possible, so that everyone can play the game without ever buying a standard car.

You can start with the cappucino, continue with a Supra 3.0 turbo, or a Lanver Evo VII and continue to BMW M3, BMW M5, Mustang GT, Ford GT and so on until you reach the GT races, the Rally races, Nascar and Formula 1 races.

 

[Devedander]

I just wanna make it clear here again, that I would gladly have detail removed from EVEN the P4, Ferrari F1, Miuara if it ment that we got consistency with all cars

Same here... instead of some "PS4 quality cars" and some dolled up PS2 quality cars, how about all PS3 quality cars?

 

[digitalwolf]

well after reading all the news, i don't care about standard not having in car views...

its so petty compared to everything else thats there O_O

 

[Spagetti69]

Same here... instead of some "PS4 quality cars" and some dolled up PS2 quality cars, how about all PS3 quality cars?

My sentiments exactly.

Mind you hitting that magic 1000, number must have had something to do with it.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Same here... instead of some "PS4 quality cars" and some dolled up PS2 quality cars, how about all PS3 quality cars?

PS4 quality? pffft...

But I agree with your thought process. The game is more about the physics and racing to most than it is seeing a distributor cap screw. The game needs work in many other areas. It would have been nice to go with the happy medium.

 

[eSZee]

Sorry. Infinity AND Nissan.

That's not a car brand, and still, no.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Whether Standard or Premium, it seems as though the BMW e30 will still NOT make it to the GT5 rooster


oh well.. it's not the end of the world... I will still fully enjoy GT5! 👍

 

[Killinator]

You make it sound like we have nothing but Prius's, but the fact is it's only one. No, I don't see your point.

No, thats how your reading into it,

We have a decent mix, yes but my problem is that we dont have the choice we should have,

If I want to drive from cockpit view then in terms of relative car numbers I'm severly limited in choice,
lets say you need a small hatchback for a race,
Youve become accustomed to racing from a cockpit view,
We know that there isnt going to be a very large choice of cars available with cockpits that are small hatchbacks.

I know that I'll have to make do, and will buy DLC if its available but the whole thing irratating knowning that when I play it the game will feel unfinished.
I appreciate others feel different but thats how I feel about it.

I'm also finding it very difficult to keep up with the ever moving thread

 

[Killinator]

Same here... instead of some "PS4 quality cars" and some dolled up PS2 quality cars, how about all PS3 quality cars?

Thats how I should have said it several pages ago, would have saved me alot of hassle, clear and concise:tup:

 

[CTznOfTime]

Whether you like it or not... it is what it is...

we all know you are mad at this, and the lack of livery editor...


but you guys have to somehow accept it....






OR just BEAT IT!

 

[Killinator]

Whether you like it or not... it is what it is...

we all know you are mad at this, and the lack of livery editor...


but you guys have to somehow accept it....






OR just BEAT IT!

[Dramatic Tone] NEVER!!!!!! [/Dramatic Tone]

Ive said it a few times that its a day 1 purchase, Kaz will get my money and he'll keep making the same 'mistakes' and this merry-go-round will keep turning.

 

[TK42OnE]

Whether you like it or not... it is what it is...

we all know you are mad at this, and the lack of livery editor...


but you guys have to somehow accept it....






OR just BEAT IT!

No Livery editor either!!! WTF! *kicks small puppy*

 

[Killinator]

No Liver editor either!!! WTF! *kicks small puppy*

First the water fountain sprays me, then this!!!

 

[G.T.Ace]

No Liver editor either!!! WTF! *kicks small puppy*

Actually:
http://www.imgftw.net/img/352582027.jpg
Look at all the wine names, looks like there is a liver editor at least.

 

[Smoothherb]

There are not so many Premium!
70 GTP Premium + 11? Dlc Premium + The cars from the demos we have seen. There are not many cars left.

 

[Forgetful]

There are not so many Premium!
70 GTP Premium + 11? Dlc Premium + The cars from the demos we have seen. There are not many cars left.

Unless PD have just been lowballing us, like they usually do.

 

[gtracedriver]

I'm still confused about the quality of "standard" cars. They're cars from all previous GT games, but they were made with the PS3 engine, right?

Yeah they will do whatever they can with the car assets of previous games. Using the amazing shaders, lightning model of GT5 it will great anyways. I often read people saying they had much more detail cars in GT4 but PS2 could not handle it. So photomode of GT4 if that was the best ? or something better which they couldn't do on PS2. Much higher res, better textures and other tricks to make it look good. It should be fine unless you have to high expectation

 

[analog]

No, thats how your reading into it,

We have a decent mix, yes but my problem is that we dont have the choice we should have,

If I want to drive from cockpit view then in terms of relative car numbers I'm severly limited in choice,
lets say you need a small hatchback for a race,
Youve become accustomed to racing from a cockpit view,
We know that there isnt going to be a very large choice of cars available with cockpits that are small hatchbacks.

I know that I'll have to make do, and will buy DLC if its available but the whole thing irratating knowning that when I play it the game will feel unfinished.
I appreciate others feel different but thats how I feel about it.

I'm also finding it very difficult to keep up with the ever moving thread

I'll agree, as the choice will be limited ( if you only want to use cockpit view that is ) by whether a car within a certain category is Premium, and less by which car you actually prefer as that choice has been made by PD.

About keeping up with this thread, most popular threads have gone into hyperdrive it seems and I sometimes press buttons like a demented accordeon player to respond only to find the current topic has changed already.

 

[Killinator]

Unless PD have just been lowballing us, like they usually do.

You must be thinking of another company, PD are always upfront with everything, I wont hear of it any other way

 

[shirakawaa]

In GT4 they were semi-transparent, not completely blacked out like in GT1 and GT2.

 

[Killinator]

Why are the 'Standard' car windows in GT5 completely blacked out?

Maybe because they didnt make cockpits for them which you dont seem to know.

The original post was why they eere blacked out fully in GT5 and tinted in GT4(interiors were still somewhat visible)

Edit: Beaten to it

 

[Tornado]

I often read people saying they had much more detail cars in GT4 but PS2 could not handle it. So photomode of GT4 if that was the best ? or something better which they couldn't do on PS2.

Most of the Standards that were developed for GT4 will probably have much better textures than they did in GT4. This is corroborated somewhat by the Standard car video being compared directly to some Photo Travel pics in GT4.

Basically, the Standard cars will be using the GT4 Photo Travel models with considerably better textures than what ended up being used in GT4. There is no direct evidence from the video to suggest that they have improved the models themselves, however; and it doesn't appear that the returning cars from GT3 will look any better, textures or otherwise, than they did in GT3. So what we might end up with is an unintended third tier of Premiums, Standards and Crappy Looking Standards.

 

[Forgetful]

You must be thinking of another company, PD are always upfront with everything, I wont hear of it any other way

GT4 was advertised as having 650 car, prelaunch. It came with 720. They did the same with the track count, and they did it again with GTPSP. It's a good thing. They tell us a good number, then show up with even more. WIN!

 

[Killinator]

GT4 was advertised as having 650 car, prelaunch. It came with 720. They did the same with the track count, and they did it again with GTPSP. It's a good thing. They tell us a good number, then show up with even more. WIN!

Whats that, a straw I can clutch at, I'll take that straw sir

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Considerer this... if the general population is not so much into video games, or into cars, or even both combined, and yet they need to buy a car game for whatever reason (whether for themselves or as a gift), pretty much all their are going to hear from this game is that: it is the best out there...

Unlike you or me, they will not dig any deeper than their pockets, they will not even see the difference between a Standard cars and Premium cars, they probably wont realize there is a two-tier car design... and really that's what matter because it saves time!

Eh, if they're casual gamers and don't know much about the game, they'll still realize about the two-tiers as soon as they try to race from cockpit view in a Standard. Or they'll want to showcase the awesome damage model to a friend and pick the wrong car to show it...

In regards to "lol PS4 models," one thing that is different between the Premiums and Standards is that the way they are modeled actually does allow a pretty good degree of future proofing, depending on how much detailing was done in the base parts themselves. Reusing GT5 models on the PS4 could work a lot better than reusing the GT4 models on the PS3 did.

Look at it like this: If each Premium was modeled on a part by part basis, then PD could have theoretically put so much work into the modeling that each individual part of each car could be so detailed that they had to scale them back.

👍

These Premium models should be absolutely fine for a long long time, with maybe minimal modifications in the future.

I still think PD should either update the standard cars later, or leave theme out of the game and put them in a DLC. It's inconsistent, and makes the PD look like they're saying "Well sure I know there is a lot of garbage and 800 pieces of 🤬 floating about but HEY look, 200 things of GOLD!"
What's still ticking me off is that a Fiat 500, a little load of heap which I pass by at the bike shop in my way to grandma's house in Little Havana is premium, but a 1953 Corvette from GT4, because it's from GT4 makes it not premium? That's hypocrisy, period!

Your definition of hypocrisy must be different from, well, anybody else's.

Same here... instead of some "PS4 quality cars" and some dolled up PS2 quality cars, how about all PS3 quality cars?

...how many times have we said basically that this whole thread?

My sentiments exactly.

Mind you hitting that magic 1000, number must have had something to do with it.

Quantity > Quality, it seems...

No, thats how your reading into it,

We have a decent mix, yes but my problem is that we dont have the choice we should have,

"Should"?

If I want to drive from cockpit view then in terms of relative car numbers I'm severly limited in choice,
lets say you need a small hatchback for a race,
Youve become accustomed to racing from a cockpit view,
We know that there isnt going to be a very large choice of cars available with cockpits that are small hatchbacks.

Hmm, two GTI's, which you enjoy (though only one is a proper one ), Alfa 147, Volvo C30, Focus ST, Citroen C4, new-gen Fiat 500, that mystery orange Civic hatchback... that's just off the top of my head. Not a ton, but you have a fair amount of variety regarding size and power.

I know I've earned some reputation as GT hater #1 or something (maybe #2 to Dev? ), and even I'm not a huge fan of the Prius... but I see the reasoning behind it's inclusion in the Premium ranks. Kaz has always said GT is supposed to be an automotive encyclopedia. It's a giant history lesson involving the milestones of the past 100+ years. The 500 is a hugely important car in history, ask nearly any Italian. The Prius, smugness and all, has also been incredibly influential since release. It's an important, defining moment in car history, for better or for worse, and for that I'm really not surprised to see it in the higher tier. There's never been any mention that Premiums should only be about performance.

 

[syagre]

They tell us a good number, then show up with even more. WIN!

From my own working experience: "always under-promise, always over-deliver"

 

[CTznOfTime]

Eh, if they're casual gamers and don't know much about the game, they'll still realize about the two-tiers as soon as they try to race from cockpit view in a Standard. Or they'll want to showcase the awesome damage model to a friend and pick the wrong car to show it...


Quantity > Quality, it seems...



I know I've earned some reputation as GT hater #1 or something (maybe #2 to Dev? ), and even I'm not a huge fan of the Prius... but I see the reasoning behind it's inclusion in the Premium ranks. Kaz has always said GT is supposed to be an automotive encyclopedia. It's a giant history lesson involving the milestones of the past 100+ years. The 500 is a hugely important car in history, ask nearly any Italian. The Prius, smugness and all, has also been incredibly influential since release. It's an important, defining moment in car history, for better or for worse, and for that I'm really not surprised to see it in the higher tier. There's never been any mention that Premiums should only be about performance.

Given the scenario you described, i somehow doubt that those boys will say this games sucks just because of the Standard cars?

I know i will not.

And i beg to differ and to challenge "Quantity > Quality"...
This expression does not apply to GT5.

Kaz and PD went for both Quantity and Quality, giving equal priority to those two aspects...

Compared with any other games out there...

GT5 quantity will still be more than X.
GT5 quality will still be more than X.

how can you beat that for a base price of $65. (without none of that DLC stuff)



I cannot wait for this game!! I cannot wait for the Standard cars... i cannot wait to play in Chase cam view! Darn it! Nov 2!

From my own working experience: "always under-promise, always over-deliver"

👍

 

[Killinator]

"Should"?



Hmm, two GTI's, which you enjoy (though only one is a proper one ), Alfa 147, Volvo C30, Focus ST, Citroen C4, new-gen Fiat 500, that mystery orange Civic hatchback... that's just off the top of my head. Not a ton, but you have a fair amount of variety regarding size and power.

I know I've earned some reputation as GT hater #1 or something (maybe #2 to Dev? ), and even I'm not a huge fan of the Prius... but I see the reasoning behind it's inclusion in the Premium ranks. Kaz has always said GT is supposed to be an automotive encyclopedia. It's a giant history lesson involving the milestones of the past 100+ years. The 500 is a hugely important car in history, ask nearly any Italian. The Prius, smugness and all, has also been incredibly influential since release. It's an important, defining moment in car history, for better or for worse, and for that I'm really not surprised to see it in the higher tier. There's never been any mention that Premiums should only be about performance.

I know not of your reputation here so that dosn't matter to me.

"Should" is what I ment to say so I said it, I base it on the fact that PD have made a racing game with an 'encyclopedia' of cars,
If it was done right I should have alot more cars to choose from regardless of the race category(model races excluded obviously)
The list you gave is what 6 cars....not a ton no, but I also maitain its not exactly a wealth of choice either.
Again, as I said I wouldnt have a problem with the Prius if car models were consistent, but I do have a problem with it becasue the models areny consistent.

 

[gtracedriver]

Most of the Standards that were developed for GT4 will probably have much better textures than they did in GT4. This is corroborated somewhat by the Standard car video being compared directly to some Photo Travel pics in GT4.

Basically, the Standard cars will be using the GT4 Photo Travel models with considerably better textures than what ended up being used in GT4. There is no direct evidence from the video to suggest that they have improved the models themselves, however; and it doesn't appear that the returning cars from GT3 will look any better, textures or otherwise, than they did in GT3. So what we might end up with is an unintended third tier of Premiums, Standards and Crappy Looking Standards.

I have seen older PC games will high res texture mods do wonder without using latest shader, lightning so I think it will be fine. However some 10yrs old thing being used now is a bit far-fetched and probably not happen. I would think PD knows it should not look crappy.

 

[Tornado]

And i beg to differ and to challenge "Quantity > Quality"...
This expression does not apply to GT5.

Kaz and PD went for both Quantity and Quality, giving equal priority to those two aspects...

Compared with any other games out there...

GT5 quantity will still be more than X.
GT5 quality will still be more than X.

I'm going to sound like a broken record on this, but (and this statement is based on an assumption of what the Standard car list contains) there are so many very minor things that PD could have done that would decrease the quantity but drastically increase the consistency of the presentation. It makes no sense, for example, to praise PD's attention to detail as being spectacular and then watch as they create cars that never even existed simply so the car count will be higher.

I have seen older PC games will high res texture mods do wonder without using latest shader, lightning so I think it will be fine. However some 10yrs old thing being used now is a bit far-fetched and probably not happen. I would think PD knows it should not look crappy.

In the Standard video, the C5R looks exactly like it did in GT3, despite (for example) the C3 Corvette looking considerably better. It seems to me that they are updating the Standards based on the better textures that they created for GT4 but weren't able to use, but most of the GT3 cars don't have those better textures because they weren't updated for GT4.