Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Killinator]

And... are you doing the same for all the other racing games out? Every game does this, Slip. Pardon me for mentioning the F-word, but Forza even does it in their DLC which you have to pay actual MONEY to buy.

And we'll be buying all the DLC(assuming we get anything more than a couple of extra cars)for GT5 with what, good wishes and rainbows??

DLC has frequently been touted as being the possible resolution to all GT's problems, from damage to weather to updating the premium car roster, or are us GT fans just not stupid enough like all the other games fans to actually pay for it.

 

[Tornado]

Why the 🤬 are we talking about politics in here?

And... are you doing the same for all the other racing games out? Every game does this, Slip.

NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.


And the fact of the matter is, even if the carried over GT4 models don't have as many flaws as the Forza ones or whatever, they just as bad if all of the performance statistics are completely wrong. Which very, very many of them are.

 

[Devedander]

And we'll be buying all the DLC(assuming we get anything more than a couple of extra cars)for GT5 with what, good wishes and rainbows??

The rule around here is:

If Forza has a flaw or problem, we point it out and say it's bad.

If it turns out GT5 will have the same or similar problem, we say it's not so bad and rationlize it.

Example: Forza in game cars are not up to par with replay cars.
Dan G says: His eyes aren't bleeding when driving around in them.
GTFans say: FLOPZA WHAT A FAIL! LOLCATS Forza Motorfail does it again!

GT5 still has X trees and 80% of cars are subpar qualtiy.
KY Says: We wanted to do as many as possible but we ran out of time.
GTFans say: The cars all look fine and they might get improved before release! You won't even notice the trees are X's when driving around... it's not eye bleedingly bad or anything.

You can bet your bippies if we get DLC in GT5, it will be rationlized to bits regarldess of how bad any other game is panned for it right now.

 

[Tornado]

More stuff I missed:

Kaz basically had GT PSP pushed on him by SONY.

Wrong.

http://kotaku.com/5284756/gran-turismo-creator-explains-psp-delays-talks-controls--online-play

Sony didn't force PD to work on it. Kaz refused to allow anyone but PD to work on it.

I sincerely doubt it took less than a year to take GT4, make it larger, get the essence of the Prologue physics engine to fit into the limited ram of the PSP, and have the whole package reduced to one GB in size. Plus run reliably.

Color me impressed. PD managed to (not even really) accomplish what other developers have been doing since the PSP launched.

"So why not outsource modeling work?" This is easily said when you have no idea how business works. First, you have to buy a shop's services, and this is much of the cost. And it's not cheap. And then there's the cost of the work, obviously additional cost. Remember, it's always MUCH cheaper to make a steak dinner than to go to a restaurant.

Not that I support outsourcing, but that argument makes no sense. Surely Microsoft, of all the companies, wouldn't have allowed Turn 10 to outsource their Forza work if it was cheaper to do it in house.

On the car count, dave mentioned that Kaz likes big numbers, which is true. But you forget, he always understates them. Remember, GT4 is still mentioned as a game which has more than 650 cars. The actual number is approximately 730.

GTPSP has 830. The approximate number is actually around 700 or so.

Oh, one more tidbit: Forza 3 has three generations of car models in it. Even has the same bugs from Forza 1. Never fixed as far as I know, haven't touched it since Christmas.

What, you mean like the texture dots on the C5R appearing to be in the Standard cars video?

 

[boommoob1]

This site is dripping with trolls. Will get MUCH worse as release date approaches.

I dont see the issue the standard models seem to match (or exceed) anything else on the market. The premium models will be used in GT6, GT7, GT8. If people insist that theres a big issue (lots of trolls i'd guess) PD should of withheld including premium models until they're all finished in time for say GT7. And gone with all standard models which are after all still very good. People should look at premium models as the holy grail.

 

[RedSuinit]

More stuff I missed:



Wrong.

http://kotaku.com/5284756/gran-turismo-creator-explains-psp-delays-talks-controls--online-play

Sony didn't force PD to work on it. Kaz refused to allow anyone but PD to work on it.


That sounds like what TOCA 2 did several years prior. Or, rather, every single PS2 port on the system. Only those tend to be actually be ports, with all of the actual content of the console versions. In some cases, they come with even more content than the original games!


Not when you stubbornly allow anyone else to touch the series, even when you are supposed to be working on the next big game rather than a little support project for the big game.


Not that I support outsourcing, but that argument makes no sense. Surely Microsoft, of all the companies, wouldn't have allowed Turn 10 to outsource their Forza work if it was cheaper to do it in house.


GTPSP has 830. The approximate number is actually around 700 or so.


What, you mean like the texture dots on the C5R appearing to be in the
Standard cars video?

There are 726 vehicles in GT4.

 

[Spagetti69]

Actually some GT fans are already stumping up cash for DLC.
£150 for all dlc cars. I know you get a fob and wallet and such but all the DLC is exclusive to the £150 crowd.

For now anyway.

 

[Tornado]

There are 726 vehicles in GT4.

What is your point?

 

[Dravonic]

"GT6 announces 25 Ultra Premium cars! Taking 18 months to model one car, these are PS5 quality cars, available today for your PS3! Also, enjoy the rest of the lineup, carried over from GT5 untouched. Available April 1, 2015".

While I do understand your opinion that PD should have crossed the premium quality line lower than they did, I disagree. GT was always about mind-blowing graphics and you can't achieve that with cars that look just somewhat better than the competition.

Besides, this whole two-tier fiasco happened because of poor PR management, not poor game planning. The way it was handled, standards are a source of disappointment, so we try to find a reason to get rid of them when they could be welcome in the game. If PD had went with "GT5 will have 200 cars and we realize it's a small quantity when compared to what the GT fans have grown accustomed to, so we are trowing in the GT4 cars to give you more to play with", the situation would be much different I guess. Sure, we would still get the occasional "I wish we had more premiums" but standards wouldn't have that bitter taste they have now.

Wrong.

http://kotaku.com/5284756/gran-turismo-creator-explains-psp-delays-talks-controls--online-play

Sony didn't force PD to work on it. Kaz refused to allow anyone but PD to work on it.

Sony didn't gave him much of a choice though, did they?

Apparently the situation was "do it or get someone else to". Obviously Kaz realized he would better do it himself.

 

[Spagetti69]

Have the standards had any work done to them at all.
I guess we don't really know.
The lack of info isn't a good sign really.

 

[JDMKING13]

Went to best buy a weeks ago to check out the 3d TV and Sony 3d tv had a demo of GT5 playing, It showed the black Audi R8 race car( the one on the official web site) standard car and some other standard cars they looked real good IMO I will be going back tomorrow so i will bring my camra and post the video on the forums. Hopefully they still have that demo up 👍

 

[Tornado]

Sony didn't gave him much of a choice though, did they?

Apparently the situation was "do it or get someone else to". Obviously Kaz realized he would better do it himself.

That doesn't make any difference in regards to the intended argument. Sony didn't sabotage GT5 development by forcing PD drop everything and work on GTPSP instead. Kaz chose to have PD work on GTPSP rather then let someone else do so, despite knowing (one would hope) that such a decision would obviously take away from GT5 development time. If features were cut from GT5 due to time issues, one can't point a finger at Sony and say "look at all of the stuff they made PD do instead of GT5."

Quite frankly, Sony probably didn't even want PD working on GTPSP in the first place.

 

[regnar]

Have the standards had any work done to them at all.
I guess we don't really know.
The lack of info isn't a good sign really.

If PD keeps them away from us till game release, then it doesn't bod well, for Kav's confidence in them.
I would expect Kav would want to tweak them before release. TGS will say a lot if they don't make an appearance.

 

[Dravonic]

That doesn't make any difference in regards to the intended argument. Sony didn't sabotage GT5 development by forcing PD drop everything and work on GTPSP instead. Kaz chose to have PD work on GTPSP rather then let someone else do so, despite knowing (one would hope) that such a decision would obviously take away from GT5 development time. If features were cut from GT5 due to time issues, one can't point a finger at Sony and say "look at all of the stuff they made PD do instead of GT5."

Quite frankly, Sony probably didn't even want PD working on GTPSP in the first place.

What I mean is that Sony created the whole problem by demanding a GTPSP. Their demand led to GT5 getting less development time. Kaz share some of the guilt, thus Sony isn't the only one to blame, but Sony did start this.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

What I mean is that Sony created the whole problem by demanding a GTPSP. Their demand led to GT5 getting less development time. Kaz share some of the guilt, thus Sony isn't the only one to blame, but Sony did start this.

There is absolutely no question in my mind this was the case.

I'm not even convinced Kaz should share any of the blame on this one.

This was a Sony deal all the way.

 

[yogaflame]

No use in crying on spilled milk. We cn all say they should hve focus on fewer bt new gen and classic and legandary cars so they could hve mde all cars premium qualty. Or we cn say what if that GTpsp did not go through. They could hve cncentrtd mre there time and resources on Gt5.
Lets jst fcus on the good parts but still it bugs me. The standrd cars could hve been forgivable if they did nt mde it jst dark tintd glass. They should hve mde it that you cn still see the drver and chairs on the outside view jst to make it presntable, not tintd glass. That is so Ps1. Thats my opinion they should hve mde the standrs insde view decent frm the outsde.

 

[Smoothherb]

Man, is your keyboard broken?? I can´t read it.

 

[Devedander]

No use in crying on spilled milk. We cn all say they should hve focus on fewer bt new gen and classic and legandary cars so they could hve mde all cars premium qualty. Or we cn say what if that GTpsp did not go through. They could hve cncentrtd mre there time and resources on Gt5.
Lets jst fcus on the good parts but still it bugs me. The standrd cars could hve been forgivable if they did nt mde it jst dark tintd glass. They should hve mde it that you cn still see the drver and chairs on the outside view jst to make it presntable, not tintd glass. That is so Ps1. Thats my opinion they should hve mde the standrs insde view decent frm the outsde.

I'd like to buy a vowel please.

 

[CoolColJ]

Goggle spell check is my best friend!

 

[Griffith500]

Griffo I don't agree but I know how the interwebs work and I'll let you have the last post on it ok.

One thing, do you agree a some point all models will have to be the same. Not just for a livery editor.

Edit. I'll answer your forza question slippy. NO.

Oh don't be like that, Spag!

Yes. Hopefully at some point on the PS3, they'll have caught up. Maybe, as you said, the 1000 figure might be lost, but I assume the plan is to eventually catch up - kind of like GT4 didn't with GT2.

Oh and, no return!

I'd like to buy a vowel please.

How about a comma?

 

[CTznOfTime]

It's Yogaflame's way of showing us really how he feels about Standard cars... His unfinished/uncomplete post is a metaphore to what Standard cars are in GT5 👍

 

[CTznOfTime]

Oh don't be like that, Spag!

Yes. Hopefully at some point on the PS3, they'll have caught up. Maybe, as you said, the 1000 figure might be lost, but I assume the plan is to eventually catch up - kind of like GT4 didn't with GT2.

Oh and, no return!

Odd numbered GT games are incomplete games (GT1, GT3, GT5...)
Even numbered GT games are complete games (GT2, GT4, and soon GT6)

i bought only GT2 and GT4 in the past... couldn't wait 15 years from GT4 to have GT6, so will have to do GT5 this time...

 

[sher_da_putt]

Odd numbered GT games are incomplete games (GT1, GT3, GT5...)
Even numbered GT games are complete games (GT2, GT4, and soon GT6)

i bought only GT2 and GT4 in the past... couldn't wait 15 years from GT4 to have GT6, so will have to do GT5 this time...

GT9 is gonna disappoint

But still tbh, I feel like GT5 fell from the heavens, even with the Incompleteness

 

[CTznOfTime]

Nah... dont be sad like that...

I am sure once you have GT5 in your hands, you will
your mind will change ....

It is sadly not as great as we have hoped for...
but is it neither as bad as you described it to be...

 

[PirateThom]

I had noticed this GT Odd things as well.

GT5, when considered an odd numbered GT, and if you only take premium cars, has more than GT1 or 3.

 

[Griffith500]

Yes, it's the best odd one yet!

It's also taken the longest since the launch of the platform

 

[PirateThom]

Yes, but ignore that part.

 

[yogaflame]

Well sorry it is hard to type on my cell. But the point is for standard cars, instead of dark tinted glass, at least driver can be seen.

 

[Devedander]

Odd numbered GT games are incomplete games (GT1, GT3, GT5...)
Even numbered GT games are complete games (GT2, GT4, and soon GT6)

i bought only GT2 and GT4 in the past... couldn't wait 15 years from GT4 to have GT6, so will have to do GT5 this time...

Same with so many things, like my MS OS analogy... you will notice it seems every other one is kind of a cheap cash in to put some $$$ in the couffers but is actually just what they have so far.

To be fair though PD have pushed those bounds as GT5P kinda counts as a cash in mid dev too...

 

[Spagetti69]

Well sorry it is hard to type on my cell. But the point is for standard cars, instead of dark tinted glass, at least driver can be seen.

There's no drivers in the standards. Only hamsters running around a wheel.
Didn't you know that.