Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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You'd do nasty things with the 'ugly' wife. That's how I will treat Standard cars. 
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If I had 2 wifes, one more beautiful than the other, and I would show of with her, that doesn't nessecarily mean that my other wife is ugly. She is just not as beautiful.
Except that having 2 wifes is called polygamy and is illegal in a lot of countries in the world, you could even enter prison because of it, be aware. so just change the word wifes with girlfriends and your analogy would be legal lol, its not illegal to have as much girlfriends as you want, but wifes ? no lol
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it is clear that if GT5 wont get perfect reviews from some gaming sites, it is because of the standard cars. if GT5 had only 200 premium cars and not 200 premium + 800 standard cars, the game would get higher review scores. eventhough a lot of people would enjoy the additional 800 standard cars...
this shows the poor review methodology websites use to review games, reviewers generally do not review games for what they are, or better for what they are compared to other games, they instead review games for what they wanted them to be.
it is unjust but it si humanity lol I am not expecting a just judgement in this world lol hopefully review methodlogy would get better and more fair over time...
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👍 thats exactly i`m thinking about sites & magazines that review games.
they can`t see lots of contents from night to weather effects , from nascar & rally to karting , from impressive lighting to outstanding car models.
they can`t see standard cars as a bonus & gift to players ...
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- GTP_Spag69
- spagetti69
I can't think of many, if any others game or genre that has had this type of segregation though.
So it's new to alot of people, not just reviewers.
So it's new to alot of people, not just reviewers.
I was just pointing out my own opinion. That doesn't mean other people don't have differing opinions. Again, it may not be possible to avoid using the standard cars for certain parts of the game. Besides, it's knowing that if there is going to be mixed races, they will look out of place.
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true, but I dont know if you understand the irony here :
GT5 with only 200 premium cars would surely get higher review metacritic scores VS GT5 with 200 premium cars + 800 standard cars !!!
Incredible and very ironic but it is the truth ! it is unfair for the developers, they propose more content to gamers, gamers will enjoy the game more, but reviewers will score the game less.
just wow, reviews methodology should really change and reviewers should start to review games for what they are compared to other games, not for what they should have been in the night dreams of some people...
when some games like heavy rain, or alan wake for example get poor review scores from a lot of gaming sites just because the games didnt achieve the ridiculous expectations of the reviewers or that those games have a lot of missing features in the eyes of reviewers...albeit their quality exceed that of a lot of other games in the market...
than there is something very wrong happening in the heads of those reviewers...(look for example the non sense score of mafia 1/2, alan wake reviews in eurogamer website)
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- Killinator
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Funnily enough most racing game developers will need to work on the majority of those things, it wouldn't excuse them from such a large divide in quality,
but you know....whatever...
Wait, just to be clear, are you proposing that some of this is actually the potential reviewers fault?
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read my previous post, of course scoring GT5 lower because of the 800 standard cars is ironic and WRONG and UNFAIR and the fault of reviewers...
how the hell having more content to your game get you lower scores automatically just because this more content is of a lower quality than your original content ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You awnsered your own question.
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ok I give up, some people definitely do not have the same level of logical thinking that I expect from humans...
what you want me to tell you ? yes you are right ? If GT5 drop the 800 standard cars, the game deserves to score higher ?
I give up
we dont have the same method of reasoning...maybe we have different brain structures anatomy...
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I think you're missing an important point here: more, doesn't always mean better.
With any game, it's always a battle for finding the best balance between quality and quantity. Neither of these should be too high or too low, but out of the two, quality definately has the most importance nowadays because of the amazing graphical capabilities of modern consoles.
What happens with the cars in GT5 is that PD has decided to sacrifice quality in favor of quantity way too much. They only have 20% of their cars premium and the vast majority (80%) of them, standard, that simply don't match the same level of detail. The tilt toward quantity is way too large for reviewers to ignore and therefore, the game's score will be hurt for not enough attention paid to maintaining the delicate quality-quantity balance in that area.
Robin
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I'm slightly ticked off that PD are still conviently hiding the fact 'standard' cars exsist, even at such a late stage stage (TGS). Yes that weather trailer looks amazing but remember your only getting 20% of that in the game folks!
They should do a proper feature length trailer featuring only standard cars (yes I know there hwas a short one that hardly anyone saw) and show it off at a public event. What are they so ashamed off?, surely they should be proud of the upgrading they have done to the models.
Robin.
They should do a proper feature length trailer featuring only standard cars (yes I know there hwas a short one that hardly anyone saw) and show it off at a public event. What are they so ashamed off?, surely they should be proud of the upgrading they have done to the models.
Robin.
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ok I give up, some people definitely do not have the same level of logical thinking that I expect from humans...
what you want me to tell you ? yes you are right ? If GT5 drop the 800 standard cars, the game deserves to score higher ?
I give up
Look if your gonna talk about logical thinking than look at it from a reviewers point of view,
Here you have a game with THE BEST looking car models ever seem in a video game period.
As we have seen from previous GT games, PD have in the past had a relatively low number of cars in a game(compared to 1000 anyway),
Any reviewer(sane anyway) would give GT a great score if they had just got the 200+ premiums and standards were just some nightmare a GT fan had and never stained the game in the first place,
Then you give the reviewer a copy of the game which on the back of the box just says 1000+ cars and shows all pics of premiums and never says a word about the quality divide,
You as a reviewer would be somewhat peeved if upon expecting 1000+ equaly detailed cars(becasue nothing on the box has indicated otherwise) that you found only 20% of the cars look as good as advertised and many of the cars you want to drive are only standards and seem totally lacking compared to premiums,
Reviewers will not be reviewing GT5 for the likes of you and me, we'll buy it regardless,
Personally I counld'nt give a flying **** what a reviewer scores, becasue the only reviwer that matters for the game is me, and in your case you(I pressume).
But where it may matter is those who don't follow the likes of GTP and have bought the game or will buy the game based on a review, becasue contrary to popular belief around here, not everyone gives a damn about GT, and it aint the be all and end all.
So yeah, it seems wrong to give a game with more stuff a lower score than a game with less stuff,
But theres always that old saying of
"Quality ver quantity".
Maybe thats not 'logical' enough for you from a pleb like myself, maybe I just don't get it.
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Couldn't agree more. Spot on.
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Do you think the game's car buying process will be transparent about which cars are premium and which are standard?
I'll be peeved if I spend my hard earned credits on a car, excitedly take it on a test drive, only to find out it's got no cockpit view because it's standard.
I'll be peeved if I spend my hard earned credits on a car, excitedly take it on a test drive, only to find out it's got no cockpit view because it's standard.
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- spagetti69
Do you think the game's car buying process will be transparent about which cars are premium and which are standard?
I'll be peeved if I spend my hard earned credits on a car, excitedly take it on a test drive, only to find out it's got no cockpit view because it's standard.
Don't know for certain but I'd expect some sort of separation.
It does make you wonder, doesn't it? They are conveniently omitting anything about standard cars and just showing off snippets of the best features.
It makes you think the standards will look so out of place as to be ridiculous
Clearly, they are not keen to show fans the fruit of their labour in this matter.- 252
I agree with you, thats how reviewers think (and unfortunately a lot of people in this forum too).
but where we dont agree is this : it is unfair to think like that (I will drop the word illogical for the moment, maybe it is offensive for some lol). It is because of this type of reasoning that some great games get low scores and not so great games get higher scores. Just because some portions of the game are of lower quality than the other portions, or because the reviewer was disappointed by some too difficult levels...etc
so with this reasoning we get this result : games that have good level of consistency (all parts are equally good-average) get higher scores and are more appreciated by reviewers than games that have overall AWESOME-INNOVATIVE parts but also some disappointing parts (which are just good-average).
I find this result unfair for the hardwork of developers and do not motivate at all developers to innovate.
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- Killinator
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I agree that it seems harsh and at times un-warranted,
But PD is going to have to deal with the consequences of such a substantial quality divide between cars(as yet we have seen next to nothing to raise spirits about standards, another gameshow and still no new shots footage of standards),
From my point of view, when PD make a mistake(and I do believe its a mistake) such as the standard/premium divide, they have to be called on it,
Look at it this way, if no-one ever criticised a game then we would have over cocky developers thinking they're doing no wrong,
I can only hope that the amount of flak this issue has recieved and will I assume continue to recieve will make Kaz rue his decision to allow such a split in quality and in future avoid such issues.
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Whilst it's possible, I don't see why we wouldn't be able to drive in the new adverse weather conditions in a Standard car. Sure, it doesn't have cockpit view and the magical working wipers, but the driving will be equivalent.
I know that for some, the lack of cockpit view is a complete let-down, but what about those that race with chase cam, or bumper cam etc.? No doubt those views still have some on-screen effects, similar to the cockpits, so that there is no huge advantage as a result of using a different view.
The same would therefore, logically, apply to the Standards. Unless you meant something else?
I'd love a feature trailer for the standards, too. Although a categorical list, like there was with damage, would probably suffice. After all, we're not going to know how the Standards are really integrated into the game until the release.
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- GTP_BlacqueJack
From GTPlanet NEWS
Funny
how the trailers always show cockpit view; especially to show weather and wipers; and not 'bumper cam'; 'bonnet cam' or 'chase cam' (hovering in a cherry picker 15 feet behind the car you are driving ) 
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- GTP_BlacqueJack
So lets see in trailers (sub) standard cars running in weather and from whatever view besides cockpit is available, as I am curious to see.
Will 'bumper cam' have wipers?
Will 'bumper cam' have wipers?
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- paulpg87
yes but maybe you're (not you) forced to use a car that doesn't reflect the full experience of the game.. i mean if i'm playing the gt mode i don't want to be forced to use a standard car that don't even allow me to drive from the cockpit and enjoy amazing damage and weather effects.. off course i want a premium that give me full gt5 experience. I prefer them to be dropped out if it is like that, i want to play gt5, not gt4 cars in gt5 environment. that's why the best idea is to give the option to choose what cars you want to use before starting gtmode.
However imo there won't be any mixed race of mixed gt mode, there is too much difference.
