Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[kingcars]

Bro i feel you i know what your saying, but your acting like PD is not up with the program as if they only gave us standard cars. They gave us 200 premium cars that are by far the best looking cars of anytime.

Agreed.

The standard cars will be updated in every department so in all we are getting new and improved GT4 cars.

From the little bit I've seen, they don't look much improved as far as actual model detail, aside from a few small things. I definitely hope that changes, though.

Also we are getting features that nobody believed we would get. Just look at the AMAR thread about the winds. Many people was calling him a fake but at the end the man was right all the time, off only by a year. His last edit in that thread was Nov 2 2009 (thats freaky) in the end bro were getting a damn good game and if you cant get past the standard car issue with all the great news we are getting i'm sorry man.

Correct, all the new features are honestly the saving grace for me. That, and I'm clinging to the hope that we can keep the standard cars and premium cars separated. That's my main concern because I don't want standard cars polluting my experience with premiums, and vice versa. I'd rather race against all standard cars when I'm also racing a standard.

 

[Invictus321]

everyone cares too much about graphics.

 

[kingcars]

everyone cares too much about graphics.

I'm more worried about immersion of the game than the actual graphics. I don't want a mixture of super high quality and super low quality car models in the same race.

And heck...I've been enjoying the heck out of good ol' GT2 lately, if that shows you how much I care about graphics 👍 . The difference is that all the cars in GT2 are on the same level of detail quality.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

800 good-looking cars +200 perfectly rendered cars>>>>>200 perfectly rendered cars.

The game would be very bland with mostly 200 (new) premium cars.


Note: not all premiums are new.

 

[Tornado]

One thing to keep in mind is that the cars carried over from GT4 will be able to look considerably better than they did in GT4. The cars that are carried over from GT3 (like the C5R above)... probably not.

I personally have little problem with the Standard models carried over from GT4 outside the apparent lack of interiors (they look good enough to me), but the Standard models carried over from GT3 will probably look pretty bad.

 

[gtracedriver]

I do not think they will mix standard and premium cars in race if the difference is huge ? But we do not know that

Secondly, they have not released anything about standard cars apart from the video. If they just wanted to port GT4 cars they could have done that some years back at a price of 40$ That would be profitable for them

 

[McLaren]

800 good-looking cars +200 perfectly rendered cars>>>>>200 perfectly rendered 200 cars.

The game would be very bland with mostly 200 (new) premium cars.


Note: not all premiums are new.

Worked for GT3.

 

[kingcars]

Bro if you get that close on the GT5 Premium cars you will see some flaws in the model its a game.

If there are flaws, they won't be like the ones pointed out in the standards. Have you ever seen the difference that a quality high poly model makes vs a low poly model? Squared curves disappear, higher resolution textures are used, and many more features on the car are modeled in 3D instead of textured. Assuming the guys at PD did the high poly models properly (and seriously, that's one thing I'm absolutely not worried about), none of those issues should be present, even upon very close inspection.

 

[Tornado]

^ I'd also imagine that the Premium cars wouldn't have obvious texture dots like the GT3-era cars do.

Worked for GT3.

I dunno if it would work for GT5, though. Maybe if it came out a year or so after the PS3 did (like GT3 did for the PS2), but probably not after 4 years.

 

[killanite]

Worked for GT3.

Yeh but this is the other outcome :
"OVER 9000 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ONLY 200 CARS?! WTFUYSBVJHSCL NX" etc. etc.

Fact is. We have 1000 cars. not at the same quality but more cars for us to play around with the new physics engine, new day/night transition, new *hopefully* weather and *hopefully* better cutomization. Which may displease some people cause 800 of those cars aren't up to the current gaming generation standard (even though some parts of the videos looked quite decent IMHO) but may please others because it's an increase of game content and cars to own/drive.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Yeh but this is the other outcome :
"OVER 9000 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ONLY 200 CARS?! WTFUYSBVJHSCL NX" etc. etc.

Fact is. We have 1000 cars. not at the same quality but more cars for us to play around with the new physics engine, new day/night transition, new *hopefully* weather and *hopefully* better cutomization. Which may displease some people cause 800 of those cars aren't up to the current gaming generation standard (even though some parts of the videos looked quite decent IMHO) but may please others because it's an increase of game content and cars to own/drive.

Not to mention 1,000 cars that will roll-over, take damage (both physical and mechanical).

I'd be surprised and angry if the standard cars could not be customized. But I won't speculate as we don't know jack about that topic.

 

[JDMKING13]

800 good-looking cars +200 perfectly rendered cars>>>>>200 perfectly rendered 200 cars.

The game would be very bland with mostly 200 (new) premium cars.


Note: not all premiums are new.

Thats it SrRd 👍, If we only had the Premium car GT5 still would be a wonderful game and prob take years of our lifes, however with the standards being also included... this game is going to be huge! I was watching the standard car video again in Hi Def The scene when the two cars are driving on Tuscany at night with a little light in the sky you could actually see the driver and some interior through the window 👍 GT5 is going to be amazing?

http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.wmv

 

[JDMKING13]

Yeh but this is the other outcome :
"OVER 9000 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ONLY 200 CARS?! WTFUYSBVJHSCL NX" etc. etc.

Fact is. We have 1000 cars. not at the same quality but more cars for us to play around with the new physics engine, new day/night transition, new *hopefully* weather and *hopefully* better cutomization. Which may displease some people cause 800 of those cars aren't up to the current gaming generation standard (even though some parts of the videos looked quite decent IMHO) but may please others because it's an increase of game content and cars to own/drive.

all those rumors on the front page has been officially confirmed

yeah. From his latest tweets, the stuff Sony revealed is true and in the game, but Kaz is a little upset about it and wanted to reveal it at a later time.

 

[freshseth83]

Well, by that logic, I don't think the Premium cars look good at all, then. I mean, apparently none of us have seen the actual game in the flesh, so who's to say they're as good as we think they are?

Maybe that's why you have so many people who disagree with your posts, because you're a smartass and your replies are mediocre as well as your arguments and points. My statement was taken from Kaz himself. He said that he's working on making the graphics even better. Like I said before, which of you has seen the game? Even if you were there at E3, all that was shown was a demo. You like to point that out, but what you fail to elaborate on is that the quality of the game doesn't diminish from demo to finished product. Or is that what you really believe?

 

[Devedander]

Look, we all know the standard cars aren't eye bleedingly bad (ironically I believe Dan Greenwalt said the same thing about Forza 3 and yet GT fans pan the graphics in that game pretty hard) but honestly, let's say something like this had come along a few years ago:

You wouldn't have all considered it a joke and laughed at how much better GT5 was gonna look?

Yet the same thing now is defended as being not bad or current gen?

I mean common, THIS is reasonable current gen (I wouldn't even say particuarly good):

And that's an a NFS game that will be a year old by the time GT5 hits shelves.

 

[James2097]

The fact we're all debating whether the standard/premium car issue matters is proof in itself that it DOES. We shouldn't have to convince ourselves that a new GT game's cars look "good enough I suppose, and there are some nicer ones" as the more wet-fish-like users are trying to justify.

Post-E3, we should be uniformly goggle-eyed in excitement for Nov 2, looking at sexy new PS3 car models and not having this debate whatsoever. We did not wait 6 years and buy a severely over-priced prologue version (in which ALL cars had decent cockpit views) to mostly enjoy PS2 level quality cars in the finished game. If the track editor isn't amazingly creative and fun, my money can be better spent elsewhere.

Polyphony - I still have GT4 if I want to drive low poly, last gen cars.

I would have had a happy reaction to 250 or 300 premiums, and NO standards. 200 is just a bit low however to feel like a meaty amount of PS3-worthy cars. Consistent and impressive assets are important above all else in a flagship PS3 title like this.


Edit:
After seeing the cars in games like Dirt 2 and many other current gen games (some shown in pics above my post), I'd happily punch every member of PD in the face for accepting a $60M budget and not delivering good return on investment.

All I can say is the track creator/editor, damage, customisation etc better be so in-depth and fun that we forget the terrible standard car models. But even then, Gran Turismo will have lost it's AAA flagship shine - something I foresee has already happened the second it was clear the standard cars really shouldn't have a place on PS3.

 

[Tenacious D]

It doesn't make me feel superior, I'm trying to find examples to support an argument. Nah, next time I'll just spout out stuff with no actual backing or explanation.

You're kidding, right? Your post had nothing to do with any substance whatsoever. It was a water balloon, nothing more.

And for a guy who isn't cheezed, you sure are blowing a lot of steam to try and get everyone to agree with you.

I think James' post above mine is right about one thing though, this round and round is pretty pointless, so for this thread at least, I'm outta here. You guys have fun complaining.

 

[freshseth83]

Look, we all know the standard cars aren't eye bleedingly bad (ironically I believe Dan Greenwalt said the same thing about Forza 3 and yet GT fans pan the graphics in that game pretty hard) but honestly, let's say something like this had come along a few years ago:

You wouldn't have all considered it a joke and laughed at how much better GT5 was gonna look?

Yet the same thing now is defended as being not bad or current gen?

I mean common, THIS is reasonable current gen:

And that's an a NFS game that will be a year old by the time GT5 hits shelves.

Demo Trailer screen cap- Finished game replay photo...

That's not biased or unfair is it?

 

[McLaren]

Maybe that's why you have so many people who disagree with your posts, because you're a smartass and your replies are mediocre as well as your arguments and points. My statement was taken from Kaz himself. He said that he's working on making the graphics even better. Like I said before, which of you has seen the game? Even if you were there at E3, all that was shown was a demo. You like to point that out, but what you fail to elaborate on is that the quality of the game doesn't diminish from demo to finished product. Or is that what you really believe?

Not what I was replying to, so your reading comprehension needs work.

You said we haven't seen the game, so who are we to judge how bad the standard models are. By that retarded logic, who's to say the premium models look any better? Fact is that the standard models have quite a margin of difference in their detail between the Premiums, a margin you can point out quite clearly. And unless PD really do anything worthwhile, I'm betting the standard car quality isn't going to improve any more than what we've seen.


B for effort.

 

[Devedander]

Demo Trailer screen cap- Finished game replay photo...

That's not biased or unfair is it?

It's google search result for NFS Shift.

Even if it is a replay, shot, you don't think that GT5 standard car shot was a replay shot?

So apples to apples?

 

[gtracedriver]

Look, we all know the standard cars aren't eye bleedingly bad (ironically I believe Dan Greenwalt said the same thing about Forza 3 and yet GT fans pan the graphics in that game pretty hard) but honestly, let's say something like this had come along a few years ago:

You wouldn't have all considered it a joke and laughed at how much better GT5 was gonna look?

Yet the same thing now is defended as being not bad or current gen?

I mean common, THIS is reasonable current gen (I wouldn't even say particuarly good):

And that's an a NFS game that will be a year old by the time GT5 hits shelves.

That is retail game. GT5 is still in development right now and this pic is better from the video:



We have to wait for release. Also keep in mind that all other games runs max at 720P and have less cars on track

 

[RedSuinit]

Look this issue matters to some folks, but it doesn't to others. NONE OF YOU are going to change whether or not the standard cars will be in GT5. They're in. Get over it, or get out. This is all pointless, and stupid. Don't like what PD has done? Tell them with your wallets and don't buy the game. I for one think that it's awesome that we're getting all of these cars in GT5.

 

[kingcars]

That is retail game. GT5 is still in development right now and this pic is better from the video:



We have to wait for release. Also keep in mind that all other games runs max at 720P and have less cars on track

Even that picture can't hold a candle to Shift's graphics, sorry. And whoever thinks that the standard cars are gonna somehow magically turn from last-gen to current-gen standards in the next 5 months before release (which will be mostly taken up by QA testing, final tweaks, and disk printing) is seriously misguided.

If only I had a dime for every time someone brought up the "dont buy the game" argument.

And for a guy who isn't cheezed, you sure are blowing a lot of steam to try and get everyone to agree with you.

You're right, but I just have a nasty habit of fighting things to the death, in case you havent noticed . One of my weird character traits I suppose.

 

[Tenacious D]

And whoever thinks that the standard cars are gonna somehow magically turn from last-gen to current-gen standards in the next 5 months before release (which will be mostly taken up by QA testing, final tweaks, and disk printing) is seriously misguided.

I don't think anyone has said that yet. The closest I can recall are a few posts where people want the Standard Cars replaced bit by bit with Premium DLC.

Anyway, have fun tilting at windmills. I just came in because I saw RedSuinit post.

 

[killanite]

*Shift snips*

I've played Shift on PC/PS3 and I can gaurantee you it looks nowhere near as good as those screens. Those look like pre-rendered screens for PR IMO.
Having said that, shift has less cars in total than the premium count of GT5 and also less cars on the track so I don't see why shift would be considered anymore "next gen" than GT5

 

[RedSuinit]

I don't think anyone has said that yet. The closest I can recall are a few posts where people want the Standard Cars replaced bit by bit with Premium DLC.

Anyway, have fun tilting at windmills. I just came in because I saw RedSuinit post.

Is that a good or bad thing?

 

[Devedander]

That is retail game. GT5 is still in development right now
...

We have to wait for release.

I don't think anyone has said that yet.

It may not have been said verbatim, but it's been heavily implied many times.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Even that picture can't hold a candle to Shift's graphics, sorry. And whoever thinks that the standard cars are gonna somehow magically turn from last-gen to current-gen standards in the next 5 months before release (which will be mostly taken up by QA testing, final tweaks, and disk printing) is seriously misguided.

I take it you're kidding about the SHIFT graphics right?

And who said that PD just started work on 800 GT4 cars yesterday trying to turn them into GT5 worthy models?

PS: You do know Shift only took 9 months to build?

 

[James2097]

Look this issues matters to some folks, but it doesn't to others. NONE OF YOU are going to change whether or not the standard cars will be in GT5. They're in. Get over it, or get out. This is all pointless, and stupid. Don't like what PD has done? Tell them with your wallets and don't buy the game. I for one think that it's awesome that we're getting all of these cars in GT5.

Do you honestly think users believe they have the power to change GT5's development now? Of course not. Still, PD needs feedback, especially when so many users are very critical of something. Please don't tell us what we can or can't be critical of. I prefer to hold a 6 year, $60M+ game up to higher... standards.

 

[Tornado]

PS: You do know Shift only took 9 months to build?

That was partially because the game engine was already built.