Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[analog]

So having two steering wheels and two sets of arms in front of you is realistic?

For me yes, as I've got a rare condition which left me having 4 arms and the rare ability to drive 2 cars at once.
This argument isn't really about real versus real is it?
How would you feel if bumpercam was only available on 20% of the cars and some cars you're looking forward to the most were only available using interior view?

 

[evilfoxhound]

How would you feel if bumpercam was only available on 20% of the cars and some cars you're looking forward to the most were only available using interior view?

I'd use hood view.

 

[Dravonic]

It looks like a "classic" case of good news/bad news sandwich whereby they give us all the new goodies, then drop the bad news inbetween ( hoping it won't get full attention ) and release further good news at Gamescom or "unofficially" announce new features beforehand like track-editor which looks like a coördinated attempt to get people excited again.
Bad news is, the bad news got noticed and despite all other great news it isn't an element easily discarded or forgotten ( at least not by me ).

Exactly. To sell. No matter if you have to fool people in the process. My biggest problem with the gaming industry nowadays and one of the main reasons I hate PD's biggest competitors. Well, joke's on me. PD has their feet deep in that crap-hole too.

Now they only need to start blatantly attacking the competition.

This time around Gran Turismo is likely not just to be the definitive driving experience but a definitive gaming experience full stop.

Oh, wait... It began already.

 

[AgusBmxArg]

As a formed PS3 user, I think the whole "standard vs. premium" thing is just for reproaching GT5 developers about why they delayed GT5 realease so long.
Will you complain about Standard cars graphics when you'll be playing in your FullHD screen with enhanced sound and all that? I don't think so, at least I wouldn't.

 

[analog]

I'd use hood view.

I meant only available ( hypothetical ) in interior view, and ofcourse avoiding the main question.
If you can't even seem to imagine that, I'm not surprised you can't imagine cockpit view being realistic to some.
As it's not just literally 4 arms and 2 steering wheels ( and I use a pad btw ) but imagining being in the car ( as playing games is partly imagination ) regardless what's literally in front of me ( in a real car I'm not seeing a home-cinema set, arm-chair, ceramic ashtray, plants, paintings, etc. either ).
And before you say, imagine an interior as well, I said a game is partly imagination, if I would be satisfied imagining everything and being content by it I wouldn't really need a game now would I?

 

[evilfoxhound]

Well, analog. You seem so upset about the Standard cars thing that I would advise you not to buy the game.

This way you can now rest and move on in life without all your worry

 

[analog]

Well, analog. You seem so upset about the Standard cars thing that I would advise you not to buy the game.

This way you can now rest and move on in life without all your worry

Another classic argument to settle all arguments it seems, being disappointed or worried by something in a game you're anticipating for years ( besides all other things happening simultaneously in life which is fine by the way, thank you for your heartfelt concern ) and daring to be critical ( although it's mostly unconfirmed, it indeed troubles me as far as relatively trivial things can be troubling ) constitutes to one seemingly logical conclusion which is don't buy it.
Unfortunately these kind of games ( and I love driving games ) come in two flavours only regarding consoles ( I don't use my PC for gaming ) PS3 ( GT ) and XBOX ( Forza ) and already own and not intending or able or even willing to part with my PS3.

 

[Devedander]

Both Uncharteds and Killzone 2, for example?
And from a technical standpoint GT5 is the most impressive videogame I've ever seen. That Standard/Premium car thing has nothing to do with technical limitations of the PS3.

From a technical standpoint tech demos are the most impressive thing I have ever seen, but obviously video games must be judged on a much wider basis than simply the best single instance in the experience.

For the record I wasn't impressed graphically with Uncharted 2... it looked great but nothing incredible by anymeans... maybe that's just my taste.

KZ2 also didn't look great to me but that was mearly and artistic style call, I definitely appreciated the advanced graphics in that game. Best looking game on a console I have seen? Not sure I would give it that title, but also entirely not sure I wouldn't.

 

[Seismica]

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I wonder if they'll transfer over the M12 by Vector (GT2).

Unless all standard cars are from only GT4 /GTPSP. Then it's a no.

Then again, porting over a PS1 car could be bad.

 

[Seismica]

I wonder if they'll transfer over the M12 by Vector (GT2).

Unless all cars are from only GT4 /GTPSP. Then it's a no.

Then again, porting over a PS1 car could be bad.

I don't think they would do that, it would be taking it to a new extreme. Although, as I stated in another thread, if there is 800 standard cars, then there has to be some new ones, because I don't even think there was that many in GTPSP... and we already know a lot of those are premium cars anyway.

So there has to be some standard models that are newly modelled. It will be interesting to see what sort of level they have modelled them too. They may be significantly better than the other standard/GT4 models, you never know.

 

[G.T.Ace]

From a technical standpoint tech demos are the most impressive thing I have ever seen, but obviously video games must be judged on a much wider basis than simply the best single instance in the experience.

For the record I wasn't impressed graphically with Uncharted 2... it looked great but nothing incredible by anymeans... maybe that's just my taste.

KZ2 also didn't look great to me but that was mearly and artistic style call, I definitely appreciated the advanced graphics in that game. Best looking game on a console I have seen? Not sure I would give it that title, but also entirely not sure I wouldn't.

Don't confuse artstyle with graphics.

 

[Tenacious D]

I hardly think they lied to you. I mean they mentioned this 5 MONTHS out from the games release... that's hardly a small amount of forewarning. It's not like they told you after the release date. Any other game would've given most the game's information much later than 5 months before the game releases.

Plus we've heard about premiums and standard cars since 09, we just didn't know the extent

Yeah, they just preferred to "leave that part out" conveniently. They knew what the backlash would be like. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that what they did was a "lie of omission." You guys should ponder that idea for a while.

I don't have to.

See, I have a memory, and I recall all the fuss last fall when the news came out that there would be Premium Cars with fully modeled interiors, and Standard Cars adapted from GT4 which didn't include them. Kazunori mentioned it in a few interviews. We argued about that quite a lot. Some of us posted about the car models in GT PSP which weren't quite up to Prologue/GT5 standards, but still looked amazing, and assumed this was the Standard Car level. Some of us insisted that it was interior damage which wasn't modeled, not full dashes and such, surely. And we definitely wouldn't be seeing two levels of graphics. I was even in on that aspect.

And what was so funny is that when the dust had settled, Kaz would give another interview and the flap would start all over again. Some even suggested he not say anything more on the subject because it was driving us crazy.

Someone even dug up the text for one of those interviews from last year in which it was stated this very thing.

So, no. You're either not remembering or making stuff up.

Will you complain about Standard cars graphics when you'll be playing in your FullHD screen with enhanced sound and all that? I don't think so, at least I wouldn't.

Not me. And I know some of you will think I've lost it, but I want Standard and Premium Cars in the same race.

I will have to say that it seems odd that some of you seem really upset that we aren't as upset about this situation as you are. I think you're wasting your energy, but maybe this will be therapeutic for you. After you go through the catharsis of ranting for a week, maybe you'll calm down enough to think things through rationally. Why not have 800 additional Standard Cars, and even Standard Tracks? When has more, even if it isn't to the same standard "more," been a bad thing?

I want this. If you don't, oh well. I'll have plenty of fun racing around in that GT2 Corvette, and all those other Standard Cars.

 

[JDMKING13]

I don't have to.

See, I have a memory, and I recall all the fuss last fall when the news came out that there would be Premium Cars with fully modeled interiors, and Standard Cars adapted from GT4 which didn't include them. Kazunori mentioned it in a few interviews. We argued about that quite a lot. Some of us posted about the car models in GT PSP which weren't quite up to Prologue/GT5 standards, but still looked amazing, and assumed this was the Standard Car level. Some of us insisted that it was interior damage which wasn't modeled, not full dashes and such, surely. And we definitely wouldn't be seeing two levels of graphics. I was even in on that aspect.

And what was so funny is that when the dust had settled, Kaz would give another interview and the flap would start all over again. Some even suggested he not say anything more on the subject because it was driving us crazy.

Someone even dug up the text for one of those interviews from last year in which it was stated this very thing.

So, no. You're either not remembering or making stuff up.


Not me. And I know some of you will think I've lost it, but I want Standard and Premium Cars in the same race.

I will have to say that it seems odd that some of you seem really upset that we aren't as upset about this situation as you are. I think you're wasting your energy, but maybe this will be therapeutic for you. After you go through the catharsis of ranting for a week, maybe you'll calm down enough to think things through rationally. Why not have 800 additional Standard Cars, and even Standard Tracks? When has more, even if it isn't to the same standard "more," been a bad thing?

I want this. If you don't, oh well. I'll have plenty of fun racing around in that GT2 Corvette, and all those other Standard Cars.

Thank you this issue been came up before, the problem is a lot of folks did not see this info or did not want to believe it.

 

[James2097]

The poll doesn't have an option for the most logical and best route PD could have taken:

Actually design the cars for PS3, at a happy medium level of detail between (what we know now as) 'premium' and 'standard', allowing for a reasonable development time AND consistent assets. Even if that means having less cars than 1000, so long as around 400 or so (probably the point where a lot of cars seems like a lot of cars regardless of how many hundreds there are). Not having 1000 cars is PERFECTLY OK for the first GT on PS3. GT has always been about visuals, the flagship for Sony consoles graphically. It is absolutely idiotic to include upscaled PS2 models. If they cannot model 400 or more cars at a premium level, logically you MUST find a happy medium you can actually deliver on.

Similarly, cars should NOT be designed with GT7 on PS4 in mind - the premium models we have now likely won't look good enough for PS4 anyway. There is no point trying to future proof car models, if that was the intention (it was with the GT4 photomode models - which now look utterly unimpressive compared to current gen standards, no matter how you polish them up).

PD should have gone all out to make GT5 the best game it can be in the time frame available. With consistent and impressive current gen quality across all assets in the game.

This should have been a no-brainer decision right from the start and never bothered wasting time importing old low-poly/detail crap from PS2 (vision GT etc). This is simply what every other development studio does every generation - produce titles in a timely manner at the level of detail the current system can utilise best.

PD can't manage projects whatsoever. Including PS2-derived cars (regardless of also including 200 better cars) says "we think PS2 cars are fine for this gen" to the customer. It is a disgrace to the graphical Sony-pony GT has and should always be. It must be a consistent product. This is just game-design 101 stuff. Customers and fans are annoyed - hell I'm annoyed and I'm a HUGE GT fan. The standard cars do not look impressive, not impressive like the generational leap every other GT game launch has been on a new system. The premium cars don't assuage that feeling - they're more there to remind you that the vast majority of the cars aren't up to scratch.

 

[JDMKING13]

The poll doesn't have an option for the most logical and best route PD could have taken:

Actually design the cars for PS3, at a happy medium level of detail between (what we know now as) 'premium' and 'standard', allowing for a reasonable development time AND consistent assets. Even if that means having less cars than 1000, so long as around 400 or so (probably the point where a lot of cars seems like a lot of cars regardless of how many hundreds there are). Not having 1000 cars is PERFECTLY OK for the first GT on PS3. GT has always been about visuals, the flagship for Sony consoles graphically. It is absolutely idiotic to include upscaled PS2 models. If they cannot model 400 or more cars at a premium level, logically you MUST find a happy medium you can actually deliver on.

Similarly, cars should NOT be designed with GT7 on PS4 in mind - the premium models we have now likely won't look good enough for PS4 anyway. There is no point trying to future proof car models, if that was the intention (it was with the GT4 photomode models - which now look utterly unimpressive compared to current gen standards, no matter how you polish them up).

PD should have gone all out to make GT5 the best game it can be in the time frame available. With consistent and impressive current gen quality across all assets in the game.

This should have been a no-brainer decision right from the start and never bothered wasting time importing old low-poly/detail crap from PS2 (vision GT etc). This is simply what every other development studio does every generation - produce titles in a timely manner at the level of detail the current system can utilise best.

PD can't manage projects whatsoever. Including PS2-derived cars (regardless of also including 200 better cars) says "we think PS2 cars are fine for this gen" to the customer. It is a disgrace to the graphical Sony-pony GT has and should always be. It must be a consistent product. This is just game-design 101 stuff. Customers and fans are annoyed - hell I'm annoyed and I'm a HUGE GT fan. The standard cars do not look impressive, not impressive like the generational leap every other GT game launch has been on a new system. The premium cars don't assuage that feeling - they're more there to remind you that the vast majority of the cars aren't up to scratch.

Damn you seem so upset like GT5 is your life Im sorry for you being so disgusted with PD, but nothing is going to change bro. We just have to accept and take the good out of the situation, which i think we are in a good situation with GT5 👍

 

[kingcars]

The poll doesn't have an option for the most logical and best route PD could have taken:

Actually design the cars for PS3, at a happy medium level of detail between (what we know now as) 'premium' and 'standard', allowing for a reasonable development time AND consistent assets. Even if that means having less cars than 1000, so long as around 400 or so (probably the point where a lot of cars seems like a lot of cars regardless of how many hundreds there are). Not having 1000 cars is PERFECTLY OK for the first GT on PS3. GT has always been about visuals, the flagship for Sony consoles graphically. It is absolutely idiotic to include upscaled PS2 models. If they cannot model 400 or more cars at a premium level, logically you MUST find a happy medium you can actually deliver on.

Similarly, cars should NOT be designed with GT7 on PS4 in mind - the premium models we have now likely won't look good enough for PS4 anyway. There is no point trying to future proof car models, if that was the intention (it was with the GT4 photomode models - which now look utterly unimpressive compared to current gen standards, no matter how you polish them up).

PD should have gone all out to make GT5 the best game it can be in the time frame available. With consistent and impressive current gen quality across all assets in the game.

This should have been a no-brainer decision right from the start and never bothered wasting time importing old low-poly/detail crap from PS2 (vision GT etc). This is simply what every other development studio does every generation - produce titles in a timely manner at the level of detail the current system can utilise best.

PD can't manage projects whatsoever. Including PS2-derived cars (regardless of also including 200 better cars) says "we think PS2 cars are fine for this gen" to the customer. It is a disgrace to the graphical Sony-pony GT has and should always be. It must be a consistent product. This is just game-design 101 stuff. Customers and fans are annoyed - hell I'm annoyed and I'm a HUGE GT fan. The standard cars do not look impressive, not impressive like the generational leap every other GT game launch has been on a new system. The premium cars don't assuage that feeling - they're more there to remind you that the vast majority of the cars aren't up to scratch.

👍 Totally agreed.

I will have to say that it seems odd that some of you seem really upset that we aren't as upset about this situation as you are. I think you're wasting your energy, but maybe this will be therapeutic for you. After you go through the catharsis of ranting for a week, maybe you'll calm down enough to think things through rationally. Why not have 800 additional Standard Cars, and even Standard Tracks? When has more, even if it isn't to the same standard "more," been a bad thing?

"More" is very often a bad thing. It's a ricer mentality.

More:

Less:

See how the extra stuff on the "more" car actually detracts from the look of the "less" car? That is EXACTLY what the standard cars are doing to GT5. They are polluting a beautiful gaming experience with last-gen graphics. If I want GT4 graphics, I'll play GT4. It's 2010 folks, time to move onto 2010 graphics. Think about if Valve software did 80% of Half Life 2 in the Half Life 1 engine.

 

[chepu]

👍 Totally agreed.



"More" is very often a bad thing. It's a ricer mentality.

More:
Fugly Ricer

Less:
Nicey JDM

See how the extra stuff on the "more" car actually detracts from the look of the "less" car? That is EXACTLY what the standard cars are doing to GT5. They are polluting a beautiful gaming experience with last-gen graphics. If I want GT4 graphics, I'll play GT4. It's 2010 folks, time to move onto 2010 graphics. Think about if Valve software did 80% of Half Life 2 in the Half Life 1 engine.

I couldnt have it Explained any better 👍

 

[James2097]

Damn you seem so upset like GT5 is your life Im sorry for you being so disgusted with PD, but nothing is going to change bro. We just have to accept and take the good out of the situation, which i think we are in a good situation with GT5 👍

Don't be sorry - it IS just a video game in the whole scheme of things. But as there is a chance PD read the forums, we can't be nancy about our opinions and reactions to their decisions. The squeakiest wheel and all that...

 

[JDMKING13]

👍 Totally agreed.



"More" is very often a bad thing. It's a ricer mentality.

More:

Less:

See how the extra stuff on the "more" car actually detracts from the look of the "less" car? That is EXACTLY what the standard cars are doing to GT5. They are polluting a beautiful gaming experience with last-gen graphics. If I want GT4 graphics, I'll play GT4. It's 2010 folks, time to move onto 2010 graphics. Think about if Valve software did 80% of Half Life 2 in the Half Life 1 engine.

That analogy is not good bro in all reality that JDM EG6 has more upgrades than that ugly ass ricer the real difference is the quality off parts on those car. Being a ricer dosen't mean adding more are you kidding me being a ricer is all about taste which something i never want to taste.

Distract.. no my friend thats all in the eye of the beholder the standard cars will get the same attention as those premiums, Please stop with that last gen graphics your killing me If you compare any game to those premiums car they will be considered last gen

More" is very often a bad thing. It's a ricer mentality.

I don't want to have more money because i will be a ricer

 

[kingcars]

That analogy is not good bro in all reality that JDM EG6 has more upgrades than that ugly ass ricer the real difference is the quality off parts on those car. Being a ricer dosen't mean adding more are you kidding me being a ricer is all about taste which something i never want to taste.

You're getting into the specifics of the cars, I'm talking about the outside appearances alone. It's the same model of car with 2 different mentalities applied to the exterior. And yes, it is a ricer mentality because they always like to add random crap to their cars (spoilers, stickers, vents, etc); that's what their "taste" generally is. I guess simple analogies are too hard to understand. You did hit on something though. It's the QUALITY of parts used. So, in GT5 terms, the premium cars are QUALITY, the standards are NOT. Thanks for helping to prove my point 👍 .

More" is very often a bad thing. It's a ricer mentality.

I don't want to have more money because i will be a ricer

Note that I said "very often" not "100% of the time." 👍 The ricer mentality was an example of that "very often." *sigh* Do I seriously have to explain this word by word?

Please stop with that last gen graphics your killing me

Huh? Who's killing what?

No matter how you look at it, there is no way that those pictures show a whole generational leap in graphics.

 

[JDMKING13]

You're getting into the specifics of the cars, I'm talking about the outside appearances alone. It's the same model of car with 2 different mentalities applied to the exterior. And yes, it is a ricer mentality because they always like to add random crap to their cars (spoilers, stickers, vents, etc). I guess simple analogies are too hard to understand. You did hit on something though. It's the QUALITY of parts used. So, in GT5 terms, the premium cars are QUALITY, the standards are NOT.



Note that I said "very often" not "100% of the time." 👍 The ricer mentality was an example of that "very often." Do I seriously have to explain this word by word?

Sorry bro still cant agree i don't care if that EG6 only upgrade was a vador front bumber he still will be a ricer IMO it doesnt matter about how much stuff you have on your car but the quality of the product to be a ricer IMO. also is it necessary to say i i cannot figure out simple analogies 👎 I have a college degree from Rutgers university so i'm pretty sure i know where you where getting at, however its shows someone character when you don't agree with them


There you go again about your graphics who said anything about a graphical leap thats why we have Preiums cars. Nothing is wrong with those standard car graphics they look better than those PS2 GT cars.

HAHA i proved your point i don't care about your point bro i was talking about that weak analogy you put up 👍

 

[kingcars]

Sorry bro still cant agree i don't care if that EG6 only upgrade was a vador front bumber he still will be a ricer IMO it doesnt matter about how much stuff you have on your car but the quality of the product to be a ricer IMO.

If you would stop being so ticky-tacky about every little part of the analogy, you'd understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that you need a lot of upgrades to be a ricer, but ricers are the ones who tend to always want more. If his only upgrade was a "vador front bumper," he'd very likely be looking at getting the rest of the body kit, and a spoiler, etc etc.

Now back to the point I was about to bring up. See those GT4 to GT5 comparisons? Take a look at how a generational leap in graphics SHOULD look:

The level of detail is so ridiculously different, there is NO mistaking the leap in graphics. The graphics are SIGNIFICANTLY better in every single way, not just the same old models and textures in a shinier graphics engine.

There you go again about your graphics who said anything about a graphical leap

Actually, you did:

Please stop with that last gen graphics your killing me

The last gen graphics are obviously referring to the standard cars, btw, not the premiums. I've said 100 times that the premiums do blow any other car models away.

 

[Tenacious D]

"More" is very often a bad thing. It's a ricer mentality.

Yeah, whatever makes you feel superior in a net debate.

You may have your intestines in a knot over this, you and all your angry posse here, but you guys consistently forget what happened.

SONY leaned on Polyphony in the middle of GT5 development to support the PSP Go with a killer app. It wasn't easy, and it took a long time, and they had to stop work on GT5 to do it.

I'm sorry, but this is what happened. Now, unless you have a hopped up Delorean or Police Box which can change history, and can grab about 300 expert 3D modelers who would love to make things differently, this is just a bunch of the vapors which will change nothing. Woulda, shoulda, coulda...

 

[kingcars]

Yeah, whatever makes you feel superior in a net debate.

It doesn't make me feel superior, I'm trying to find examples to support an argument. Nah, next time I'll just spout out stuff with no actual backing or explanation.

Yeah so I guess we should just bend over and let PD/Sony have their way as opposed to calling them out for what they did. I'm actually not angry, I'm simply debating the subject at hand, my opinion on how it went down and what it means for the game.

 

[McLaren]

No matter how you look at it, there is no way that those pictures show a whole generational leap in graphics.

TBQH, I think we really need to see an actual photo (read: Photo; not screen grab) of the standard cars in good colors. That Corvette above in gold/whatever doesn't contrast well at all with the other colors in the picture, so it already looks bad to begin with unlike the black Z/28 we saw in the same clip.

2nd, that C5R photo does point out some flaws, but again as I believe RedSunnit has said, it's enlarged, so the quality has faded.

Not to say the Standards are going to be beautiful (I really don't think so), but I do believe we're using some poor images to prove our points much like some of the GT fans here.

 

[freshseth83]

what's everyone complaining about now? More of the same crap huh? "the standard cars don't look as good" wahh wahh, cry all you want, all we seen was a demo and a stupid trailer but we have naysayers basing opinions off of it. Which one of you have seen the actual game? None of you. So quitcherbichin and lets wait for the game to come out or some more demos to see how the gameplay looks of these 'standard' cars. The only difference is the detailing in certain aspects of the car. Graphically i doubt the cars will have much of a difference. PD never skimp on details like graphics. Kaz and his team even said they're working hard to make the graphics even better for the game in November. I'm willing to bet the cars will all look good as ever.

 

[kingcars]

2nd, that C5R photo does point out some flaws, but again as I believe RedSunnit has said, it's enlarged, so the quality has faded.

Not to say the Standards are going to be beautiful (I really don't think so), but I do believe we're using some poor images to prove our points much like some of the GT fans here.

The C5R image is not resized. The picture I posted is an exact, unedited screenshot of the video that I took. Regardless, the pictures are good enough quality to where you can see the flaws in the car models. No picture quality increase will hide the rough edges, squared curves, and horrible textures of the standard C5R, or any other standard car for that matter.

 

[JDMKING13]

If you would stop being so ticky-tacky about every little part of the analogy, you'd understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that you need a lot of upgrades to be a ricer, but ricers are the ones who tend to always want more. If his only upgrade was a "vador front bumper," he'd very likely be looking at getting the rest of the body kit, and a spoiler, etc etc.

Now back to the point I was about to bring up. See those GT4 to GT5 comparisons? Take a look at how a generational leap in graphics SHOULD look:

The level of detail is so ridiculously different, there is NO mistaking the leap in graphics. The graphics are SIGNIFICANTLY better in every single way, not just the same old models and textures in a shinier graphics engine.



Actually, you did:

Bro i feel you i know what your saying, but your acting like PD is not up with the program as if they only gave us standard cars. They gave us 200 premium cars that are by far the best looking cars of anytime. The standard cars will be updated in every department so in all we are getting new and improved GT4 cars. Also we are getting features that nobody believed we would get. Just look at the AMAR thread about the winds. Many people was calling him a fake but at the end the man was right all the time, off only by a year. His last edit in that thread was Nov 2 2009 (thats freaky) in the end bro were getting a damn good game and if you cant get past the standard car issue with all the great news we are getting i'm sorry man.

The C5R image is not resized. The picture I posted is an exact, unedited screenshot of the video that I took. Regardless, the pictures are good enough quality to where you can see the flaws in the car models. No picture quality increase will hide the rough edges, squared curves, and horrible textures of the standard C5R, or any other standard car for that matter.

Bro if you get that close on the GT5 Premium cars you will see some flaws in the model its a game. I bet in photo mode and you zoom up on those standard cars it will look way better.

 

[McLaren]

what's everyone complaining about now? More of the same crap huh? "the standard cars don't look as good" wahh wahh, cry all you want, all we seen was a demo and a stupid trailer but we have naysayers basing opinions off of it. Which one of you have seen the actual game? None of you. So quitcherbichin and lets wait for the game to come out or some more demos to see how the gameplay looks of these 'standard' cars. The only difference is the detailing in certain aspects of the car. Graphically i doubt the cars will have much of a difference. PD never skimp on details like graphics. Kaz and his team even said they're working hard to make the graphics even better for the game in November. I'm willing to bet the cars will all look good as ever.

Well, by that logic, I don't think the Premium cars look good at all, then. I mean, apparently none of us have seen the actual game in the flesh, so who's to say they're as good as we think they are?