Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Gt5anticip8r]

those 80% were finished 6 years ago............

Then that makes it even worse. An entire new generation of consoles, games and TV's have arrived since then.

 

[analog]

Imagine buying an expensive hardback car encyclopedia encompassing the entire history of the automobile and then finding a full colour spread of the Suzuki Cervo and a grainy black and white picture of the Jaguar E-type....
I'm sure I'm not alone when saying the authors got a funny perspective on the history they're describing, or frankly, seriously screwed up.
But yeah, no aftermarket wheels on Standard cars, at least I don't notice the wheels when I'm driving in cockpit view....oh snap!

 

[Beat the Beat]

I love the clutching at straws in that thread. "You cannot change the wheels of a Standard Car" has been reworded to "You cannot change the wheels of a Standard Car, by which we mean, you can change the style, but not the height, width and diameter of the wheel."

Haha, has it really got that bad? All the leaks seem to have made people go a bit mental, or was it always like this?

 

[Luminis]

The standard cars will have new physics which is the core part of the game, so the standard cars are not soley about the numbers.

What would you call adding standard cars, then? If the games so much about the physics, it wouldn't even make a difference whether it's one car or a billion.

Your only case is about the interior models, which you cant seem to understand they werent able to do them. The thousand cars is great because many people will enjoy the mass amount of cars you can drive.

Oh, I do understand they couldn't model a thousand premium cars. And my case is about: The exterior looks of the standard cars, the lack of any interior views (and looks) of the standard cars and therefore, it's about gameplay as well.

The problem with your criticism is that you are nitpicking at the extra features, many of which cannot be even found in other games. You're not even making a case against the core features (career mode, and online) which are probably going to be amazing and are the main things that matter. Content is added to this game, but it seems like you dont appreciate that and you want more of it. Weather implimentation and other factors are a BONUS, which means that you wouldnt have even paid attention to them if they werent even announced in the first place.

Wait a second. Do I have to praise GT for everything it does right whenever I criticise some of it's flaws? What kind of logic is that?

And also, the pic basically says that you can change the wheels, I am not grasping at straws, it is in flat out english.

Yeah, yeah, people said that about cockpit view as well.

Also, I thought the pic was explaining what you could do with the car behind it, I didnt know that it was supposed to be the info on the feature.

That's what a tooltip does, it tells you what clicking the button will do.

 

[VXR]

The menu in GT Auto isn't context sensitive. If it was, it would just say "You Cannot Change the wheels of a Standard Model Car" and not open with a contradictory notice that you can purchase wheels. That tool-tip applies to both Premium and Standard cars.

 

[Tenacious D]

Including the high quality showroom model?

I don't know about this. Since you most likely still love F3 and your 360 hooked up, take a peek and give us a report. I don't have a lot of disposable time right now - says the guy who's been on the boards for two hours.

But even if the showroom modded Ford GT is correct, why would the on-the-track Ford GT suddenly still have the same flaws from 2004? I'm thinking this is a weird thing to let slide for half a decade and two sequels, but maybe that's just me.

Let me put it this way. If your car is rusty like hell and breaking apart, but your neighbour's car is even worse, will that stop your car from falling to pieces? If it does, then I'd probably like to live in whatever reality you appearently live in, really.

When my neighbor's car is even worse, and he carries on like his is perfectly fine, am I supposed to just nod diplomatically and say, "Sure... you bet"?

See, this is the problem I have with you guys. All of your arguments are oriented towards "GT5 is flaaaud." Some of you bring up Forza as the much better example. But if I dare to mention any "Oh yeah?" examples of how that thinking is messed up, suddenly I'm some kind of biased GT fanboy meany. What I'm trying to bring to the table is a measure of balance. You know, people are still complaining about the Standards as if Kaz and the team were just sipping champagne all day while watching Best Motoring videos, and for years.

And then you also insinuate that I'm some kind of fangurl if I want to race around in a bunch of cars which show a polygon now and then, as if it's unthinkable that the experience can be any good at all. Is it then safe to say that all you care about are pretty graphics, and physics don't really matter? You must really love Shi... Shift.

So if all the 240s and Fairlady Zs in GT5 are Standards, that means they're suddenly no fun? Says you? I do believe that one of the Lamborghinis is a Standard, along with a handful of new cars. Are we dummyheads to you for wanting to race them?

Hey, go ahead and ignore all the Standards if you rather. Or race them gladly, that's what choice is all about. But making fun of people who want to experience the whole enchilada which GT5 offers isn't very big minded.

 

[infamousDee]

But you can PURCHASE them, or don't you understand "flat out" English?

 

[regnar]

But you can PURCHASE them, or don't you understand "flat out" English?

If you can't change wheels on standards model cars, which it clearly reads, then that means you cannot purchase new ones, if you could where are you going to place them, since you can't change them.

 

[Aarron_M]

 

[Gt5anticip8r]

The first sentence gives us two options: purchase new wheels or change.

1. Purchasing new wheels meaning you buy them and replace them.

2. Changing wheels might mean modifying the existing wheel. That might mean making them bigger, changing their width.

The last sentence states that we cannot change the wheels on standard cars, but there is no mention of not being able to purchase and replace.

Flat out English? Good grief. Okay look, change does not mean modify. Change means swap, or replace. So:

1.You can either buy new rims or swap out for a set that you already own.

2.You cannot interfere with the rims on a Standard car. Simple as that. No modifying, no widening, no chopping, slicing, dicing, nothing. And you cannnot purchase new ones either. Ever.

 

[VXR]

It seems his post isn't context sensitive, either. What's Samuel L doing there? A moment of realization or what?

 

[Aarron_M]

If you can't change wheels on standards model cars, which it clearly reads, then that means you cannot purchase new ones, if you could where are you going to place them, since you can't change them.

"Change your existing set" is pretty clear to refer to size, etc.

 

[Aarron_M]

Flat out English? Good grief. Okay look, change does not mean modify. Change means swap, or replace. So:

1.You can either buy new rims or swap out for a set that you already own.

2.You cannot interfere with the rims on a Standard car. Simple as that. No modifying, no widening, no chopping, slicing, dicing, nothing. And you cannnot purchase new ones either. Ever.

I don't see where it says anything about "interfering" with Standard rims. Good luck with that interpretation.

It seems his post isn't context sensitive, either. What's Samuel L doing there? A moment of realization or what?

If you've seen the movie, you know what's going on there. "English, do you..."

 

[Marvdogger]

If i'am honest i'am not too bothered about only 200 premium cars. Since i always race with the bumper cam so i wont see the interiors when i'am racing anyway.

However once i get the game and see how much better the premiums look in replay mode with the extra detailing on the outside i might change my mind. At the moment all the cars i want to drive are standard with the exceptions being the new additions to the series.

 

[dylansan]

Flat out English? Good grief. Okay look, change does not mean modify. Change means swap, or replace. So:

1.You can either buy new rims or swap out for a set that you already own.

2.You cannot interfere with the rims on a Standard car. Simple as that. No modifying, no widening, no chopping, slicing, dicing, nothing. And you cannnot purchase new ones either. Ever.

"Change" doesn't mean modify? What? It most certainly does. And it can also mean replace.
In other words, it's impossible to tell what use of "change" they mean, but telling everyone they're wrong for their interpretation is stupid.
Good grief indeed.

 

[JToipa]

The first sentence gives us two options: purchase new wheels or change.

1. Purchasing new wheels meaning you buy them and replace them.

2. Changing wheels might mean modifying the existing wheel. That might mean making them bigger, changing their width.

The last sentence states that we cannot change the wheels on standard cars, but there is no mention of not being able to purchase and replace.

Mate, you are in denial, just like the rest of this forum, standards don't allow you to change, purchase or do anything to rims, they don't have cockpit view and they will be ugly as hell, prepare for that, because if you thought they looked good in those videos get ready for a surprise. Yes, the physics will be the same, and they will race against premiums, they will do the basic stuff, but just accept the fact that visually they will be fugly, gameplay-wise, they will still be a blast.

 

[mva5580]

This is my opinion. It means nothing, but what the hell. Here is the text from the tooltip:

Purchase new wheels or change your car's existing set. You cannot change the wheels on a Standard Model car.

I've taken out the middle sentence because it's irrelevant to the discussion. I think this is the case of a poorly written tooltip. I think they're solely using the word "change" in this tooltip as being able to edit the specs of the rim size, things like that, and not the overall ability to "change" the rim itself. Because in the first sentence, "change" obviously means editing your existing rims, otherwise it's redundant. So if they're writing that tooltip consistently, then the 2nd "change" should also mean editing the rims already on the car. Because otherwise, the 2nd sentence should say something like "You cannot purchase wheels for a Standard Model car." I can certainly understand why people are taking it different ways, because you could read it and interpret it to mean 2 different things. But in my opinion, you can CHANGE wheels on a standard car. But you cannot EDIT their size, etc.

And maybe that's right, maybe it's wrong. I honestly don't care all that much, I'm buying the game regardless and will enjoy it. I'm just giving my opinion on how I'm interpreting those sentences.

 

[Spagetti69]

Oh no.
Have I walked into a " standard cars wont support interior view points " type argument.
Oh boy.

 

[Luminis]

When my neighbor's car is even worse, and he carries on like his is perfectly fine, am I supposed to just nod diplomatically and say, "Sure... you bet"?

No, I don't. But I absolutely don't understand how it could be seen as an excuse as to why your cars is that way.

See, this is the problem I have with you guys. All of your arguments are oriented towards "GT5 is flaaaud."

It's more like "Standard cars are flaaaaaud". Maybe I should stop expecting you to even understand the difference.

Some of you bring up Forza as the much better example. But if I dare to mention any "Oh yeah?" examples of how that thinking is messed up, suddenly I'm some kind of biased GT fanboy meany. What I'm trying to bring to the table is a measure of balance. You know, people are still complaining about the Standards as if Kaz and the team were just sipping champagne all day while watching Best Motoring videos, and for years.

well, guess what? Even if Kaz busted his rear twice to get the job done, it doesn't make the standards any better, either. It won't change my experience att friggin' all.

And then you also insinuate that I'm some kind of fangurl if I want to race around in a bunch of cars which show a polygon now and then, as if it's unthinkable that the experience can be any good at all. Is it then safe to say that all you care about are pretty graphics, and physics don't really matter? You must really love Shi... Shift.

I think you're quite biased because you keep defending the standard cars like mad. People don't like them, and it's no wonder they don't, seeing how they differ from the premiums. And along come a few guys who get all worked up about people not liking the standards. Do I have to understand that? I don't think so. If you like them, that's good for you. But I can't understand why you should be on a crusadee to defent GT5's standard cars from us 'haters'. But as I said earlier, if you want to play GT's white knight, for all I care, go own.

So if all the 240s and Fairlady Zs in GT5 are Standards, that means they're suddenly no fun? Says you? I do believe that one of the Lamborghinis is a Standard, along with a handful of new cars. Are we dummyheads to you for wanting to race them?

What I'm saying is that a premium car is more fun. Due to the better looks, due to the better gameplay features. And that I'll have a hard time enjoying the second rate cars. If you willl, fine by me. I won't. If that's not fine by you and you've got the urge to defend the standards (yet again), well, I don't give a crap.

Hey, go ahead and ignore all the Standards if you rather. Or race them gladly, that's what choice is all about. But making fun of people who want to experience the whole enchilada which GT5 offers isn't very big minded.

And arguing with everyone who is going to ignore them is big minded, I guess? Yeah right.

But you can PURCHASE them, or don't you understand "flat out" English?

Which would mean you'd be able to purchase the wheels but since you can't change the ones on a standard car, you won't be able to put the newly purchased rims on the car. Yeah, brilliant.

The first sentence gives us two options: purchase new wheels or change.

1. Purchasing new wheels meaning you buy them and replace them.

It says perchase new ones or change the existing ones. As in, buy new ones to put them on, or put a set of rims you already purchased on the car.
As with the cockpit view, it's really, really clear if you're not trying to read something into it that's not there.

2. Changing wheels might mean modifying the existing wheel. That might mean making them bigger, changing their width.

Get real. It just means you caan't change them, as in 'you can't alter them'.
Seriously, what would a tooltip need to look like for you folks to get it?!

"You can't change the wheels on a standard car. No, seriously. You can't. You can't alter them. It's not possible, okay? And no, you won't be able to resize them, replace them or whatever. The rims will stay the friggin' same, no matter what! Got it?"
Anything else won't get the massage across, I guess.

The last sentence states that we cannot change the wheels on standard cars, but there is no mention of not being able to purchase and replace.

As I said, the exact same thing as it was with cockpit view. I thought people would be able to learn from that affair. But, well, if you like to, be in denial for all I care. I know I'm not going to be surprised to find that I can't do anything to a stadnard car, in terms of visual modifications.



All in all, I, at times, can't fathom what's going in some people's heads. Count me out of this discussion for the time being.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Slipz; I'm really looking forward to the premiums, as photomode kept me playing GT4 far longer than the game alone would have and I'm an avid in-game photographer, even if the game doesn't include a screen capture feature. My beef is, I can't even make the best of a bad situation and say, add an M3 CSL's wheels to the E90 330i or an SL55's to an SL600. Now, six years after I could on my relatively archaic PS2.

Oh agreed, and this means any plans I had of eventually re-doing old GT4 Photomode shoots with their GT5 equivalents is through the window. I'm hoping for a return of the brilliant "Today's Special" thing, even if it is limited to Premiums only. I do think I'll have fun painting, say, a Volks TE37 different colours too, of course.

The first sentence gives us two options: purchase new wheels or change.

1. Purchasing new wheels meaning you buy them and replace them.

2. Changing wheels might mean modifying the existing wheel. That might mean making them bigger, changing their width.

The last sentence states that we cannot change the wheels on standard cars, but there is no mention of not being able to purchase and replace.

That last sentence could just as easily mean nothing can be done about wheels on Standards. Replacing wheels is changing them.

I can understand how it can be twisted around in the way some people are doing it, if I really wanted to hold out hope. It's the very same as how people argued that the site saying "Standard cars will not support interior views" somehow meant that cockpit view could still be available; in some bizarre creative use of English, sure, but not the most common sense, straight-forward way.

When my neighbor's car is even worse, and he carries on like his is perfectly fine, am I supposed to just nod diplomatically and say, "Sure... you bet"?

I imagine your response would be "mine's still better", right?

See, this is the problem I have with you guys. All of your arguments are oriented towards "GT5 is flaaaud." Some of you bring up Forza as the much better example. But if I dare to mention any "Oh yeah?" examples of how that thinking is messed up, suddenly I'm some kind of biased GT fanboy meany. What I'm trying to bring to the table is a measure of balance. You know, people are still complaining about the Standards as if Kaz and the team were just sipping champagne all day while watching Best Motoring videos, and for years.

It is flawed.

FM3 does things better. Which has always been my point, at any rate. You seem to have a problem with somebody mentioning anything that Forza does better, and believe that they should have to write "but Flopza sux lol" after any positive thing. When someone mentions that Forza has a livery editor and GT doesn't, when talking about livery editors, they shouldn't have to add "but that hopper system!". We're talking about the Standards and how they are sub-par from a model-standpoint, and now, they have lost a feature that they enjoyed in GT4.

Balanced?
The only person getting that champagne-sipping visual is you. You add that to the comments, nobody else.

And then you also insinuate that I'm some kind of fangurl if I want to race around in a bunch of cars which show a polygon now and then, as if it's unthinkable that the experience can be any good at all. Is it then safe to say that all you care about are pretty graphics, and physics don't really matter? You must really love Shi... Shift.

The low poly-count and texture work is the symptom, not the condition. I'm worried the Standards suffer from a gameplay perspective. They already miss out on an interior view (though it was never there for them to "lose", I know that much). Now we find out something you could do since GT2 won't be possible for 80% of GT5 cars. That's not some "little setback", that's a glaring omission.

I still also wonder about physics parameters, and race mods, but that definitely will require hands-on digging. Also, since I'm thinking about it; I'm thrown off by the Premium NA Miata's top being up, I wonder if we'll get the options again (for Standards or Premiums).

So if all the 240s and Fairlady Zs in GT5 are Standards, that means they're suddenly no fun? Says you? I do believe that one of the Lamborghinis is a Standard, along with a handful of new cars. Are we dummyheads to you for wanting to race them?

Less fun. I didn't expect, 5 years later, that I'd get to re-live my GT4 memories with some updated physics, and some new tracks, but little else for these cars. Infact, now it looks like more restrictions.

Hey, go ahead and ignore all the Standards if you rather. Or race them gladly, that's what choice is all about. But making fun of people who want to experience the whole enchilada which GT5 offers isn't very big minded.

Making fun?

In other words, it's impossible to tell what use of "change" they mean, but telling everyone they're wrong for their interpretation is stupid.
Good grief indeed.

Fair enough, like I said up above, it can still be open to interpretation, it just makes far more sense (to me) one way. Some clarification from someone with a leaked copy could solve this right quick. Though, seeing as how just today, someone was in the News thread still thinking that Standards might have interiors, I'm sure even video confirmation that Standards can't do anything with their wheels won't settle this.

 

[Strittan]

Hey, go ahead and ignore all the Standards if you rather. Or race them gladly, that's what choice is all about. But making fun of people who want to experience the whole enchilada which GT5 offers isn't very big minded.

I have not seen anyone making fun of someone who want to experience the whole enchilada which GT5 offers. However, I have seen people calling us who are not fond of the standard cars ungrateful and pessimistic haters.

What we may have been making fun of though, are the people turning a blind eye to the fact that the standard models are the same as in GT4. They look better than in GT4, but that's only thanks to better lighting, reflections and maybe slightly better textures. This is what the arguments have been about. Not whether or not people will drive them.

 

[shirakawaa]

Unfortunately, Standard car textures are the same as in GT4, you can even notice jaggies in the same identical spots.
Door/Panel texture lines appear to have been toned down a bit to not stick out too much, though (although their resolution is still as low as before).

 

[Tenacious D]

...well, I don't give a crap.

If you really didn't give a crap, you wouldn't spend so much time crapping in here.

However, maybe I should just bow out of the thread. The Standard complainers will only see the bad rainy side of the day. Slip will hold onto his "five year old experience," no matter how the Standards perform, and the wheel nuggets will never let that item go, even if they hardly ever swapped anything out in previous GTs.

GT5 is almost in my hands. You guys keep complaining if you like. I'm going to race. In GT4.

 

[Strittan]

Unfortunately, Standard car textures are the same as in GT4, you can even notice jaggies in the same identical spots.
Door/Panel texture lines appear to have been toned down a bit to not stick out too much, though (although their resolution is still as low as before).

Yeah, that was what I meant with "better".

GT5 is almost in my hands. You guys keep complaining if you like. I'm going to race. In GT4.

See? There you are again. Just because I don't like the standard cars I am complaining?

 

[analog]

I think those liking and defending the Standard cars do it largely because they don't use or appreciate cockpit view and probably use bumpercam mostly so therefore all cars will essentially be experienced the same way, through looking at the bumpercam hud, Premium or Standard.

To those who can look beyond just physics, physics, physics cockpit view is relevant and know a driving sim isn't just centred solely around one aspect but also how the information provided through those physics is accurately visually processed and, perhaps more relevant in a game, providing the simple pleasure of 'sitting' in a perfectly replicated interior looking at an actual dashboard instead of some generic dials in an empty space.
Yes, I didn't have that option in previous GT's but then I didn't play those games in 2010 on a PS3 now did I?

To be honest, I more or less already came to the conclusion to try and purchase each Premium car first ( and that includes the 20,000,000 credit ones ) and hopefully the actual number is closer to 250 than 200 so GT5 will still provide plenty of fun for years to come ( still play Prologue after a few years ) as the Premium selection includes plenty of true gems.
Maybe after having achieved everything I might take a trip down memory lane although for me those "retro-arcade game" collections by Atari, etc. you see once in a while never really tempted me, maybe fun to enjoy something you played, say 20, years ago but not something you played merely 6 years ago.

And again this isn't about the type of cars but the way they are modelled ( and thus lacking gameplay features like cockpit view ) which does make a difference, I may not use my favourite GT4 cars that much this time around ( still like the cars, as in brands or type, themselves ofcourse but times have moved on and therefore my expectations logically have too ).
I've already accepted GT5 won't be the same game I looked forward to a year ago, still looking forward to it though.

 

[JM1681]

So here's a thought...

Some of the Standard cars came from GT PSP, right? IIRC, there was NO customization in that game at all.

That being the case, since we know we can't change wheels on Standard models, is anyone else worried that we may not be able to mod those cars at all?

My apologies if this has been covered or already refuted.

 

[infamousDee]

Hopefully the actual number is closer to 250 than 200 so GT5 will still provide plenty of fun for years to come

I recall Kaz saying in an interview a while back that the game's Premium count was now over 250.

 

[GasolineJunkie]

Just my two cents on the whole "Can't change wheels on standards" debate.

Many of you are saying that "change" means modify - change width, etc. so what you are saying is that you can purchase a set of wheels for a standard, but you just can't change or modify that set. Can anyone tell me how I can purchase a set of wheels for any car, and then modify them? Wouldn't I need to buy a whole other set if I want the width different? This arguement makes no sense.

IMO change must mean swap! Meaning what you have on the standard car is what you get on it.

 

[JM1681]

Just my two cents on the whole "Can't change wheels on standards" debate...what you have on the standard car is what you get on it.

That's the way I'm taking that as well.

 

[Strittan]

I've already accepted GT5 won't be the same game I looked forward to a year ago, still looking forward to it though.

+1 👍