Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Aarron_M]

Take it as you will, but there is logic to the other half of the debate. It's a poorly written statement. It's vague, and there are many ways to interpret it. You guys stick to your hatred of all things Standard, and I'll believe(as do others) that we'll be able to swap rims on standard cars.

 

[GasolineJunkie]

I think those liking and defending the Standard cars do it largely because they don't use or appreciate cockpit view and probably use bumpercam mostly so therefore all cars will essentially be experienced the same way, through looking at the bumpercam hud, Premium or Standard.
To those who can look beyond just physics, physics, physics cockpit view is relevant and know a driving sim isn't just centred solely around one aspect but also how the information provided through those physics is accurately visually processed and, perhaps more relevant in a game, providing the simple pleasure of 'sitting' in a perfectly replicated interior looking at an actual dashboard instead of some generic dials in an empty space.
Yes, I didn't have that option in previous GT's but then I didn't play those games in 2010 on a PS3 now did I?

Well put. 👍
This is the same exact reason why standards are so dissappointing to me. I would rather drive all cars in cockpit view. I don't understand how driving from behind the car or in front of it is more satisfying than cockpit. But I don't want to start that debate again.

 

[JM1681]

...You guys stick to your hatred of all things Standard...

Hate is a strong word.

Truth be told, I'm fairly certain the majority of the cars I'll be driving will be standard. I just hope that you...

...and I'll believe(as do others) that we'll be able to swap rims on standard cars.

...are right, and I...

...is anyone else worried that we may not be able to mod those cars at all?

...am wrong.

 

[Prodigy122]

So here's a thought...

Some of the Standard cars came from GT PSP, right? IIRC, there was NO customization in that game at all.

That being the case, since we know we can't change wheels on Standard models, is anyone else worried that we may not be able to mod those cars at all?

My apologies if this has been covered or already refuted.

You made a good point here. Now that we are assuming (we still do not know for sure) that rims can not be replaced on standard cars, then why would mods be able to be applied. In my opinion they are one in the same. I just hope that it was a mess up on the translation.

 

[Spagetti69]

Take it as you will, but there is logic to the other half of the debate. It's a poorly written statement. It's vague, and there are many ways to interpret it. You guys stick to your hatred of all things Standard, and I'll believe(as do others) that we'll be able to swap rims on standard cars.

Are you JDMking lol.
No offence to the real JDM. Peace.

 

[Strittan]

Take it as you will, but there is logic to the other half of the debate. It's a poorly written statement. It's vague, and there are many ways to interpret it. You guys stick to your hatred of all things Standard, and I'll believe(as do others) that we'll be able to swap rims on standard cars.

Prepare to be disappointed once you play the game then.

 

[mva5580]

Just my two cents on the whole "Can't change wheels on standards" debate.

Many of you are saying that "change" means modify - change width, etc. so what you are saying is that you can purchase a set of wheels for a standard, but you just can't change or modify that set. Can anyone tell me how I can purchase a set of wheels for any car, and then modify them? Wouldn't I need to buy a whole other set if I want the width different? This arguement makes no sense.

IMO change must mean swap! Meaning what you have on the standard car is what you get on it.

But that reasoning is exactly why my opinion is that you CAN change the rims on standard cars.

If it didn't mean "modify," "edit," or whatever, why have the initial sentence worded the way it is? I'll post it again:

Purchase new wheels or change your car's existing set.

So in that sentence, "Purchase" means to buy new wheels. Or, if you want to use a different word, CHANGE them. So if the 2nd part of that sentence meant the same exact thing using the same word, it's completely redundant. So the way I'm reading that sentence, "change" means to edit the wheels you already have on the car. So, you could deduce that the way they're using "change" in the 2nd sentence is consistent in that it means "modify," not "replace."

The point is, it's poorly written. Like I said before, I'll be ok either way. It's just good debate, as long as people don't flip out about it.

 

[JM1681]

You made a good point here. Now that we are assuming (we still do not know for sure) that rims can not be replaced on standard cars, then why would mods be able to be applied. In my opinion they are one in the same. I just hope that it was a mess up on the translation.

Thanks for that

Still, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's pretty darn close to definite that we will not be able to swap wheels on Standard cars.

If I'm wrong, I will gladly post an apology to everyone my posts have irritated.

Unfortunately, I don't think I am.

Prepare to be disappointed once you play the game then.

I didn't want to say it

 

[infamousDee]

Standard cars are an absolute joke in bad taste.

 

[analog]

But that reasoning is exactly why my opinion is that you CAN change the rims on standard cars.

If it didn't mean "modify," "edit," or whatever, why have the initial sentence worded the way it is? I'll post it again:

Purchase new wheels or change your car's existing set.

So in that sentence, "Purchase" means to buy new wheels. Or, if you want to use a different word, CHANGE them. So if the 2nd part of that sentence meant the same exact thing using the same word, it's completely redundant. So the way I'm reading that sentence, "change" means to edit the wheels you already have on the car. So, you could deduce that the way they're using "change" in the 2nd sentence is consistent in that it means "modify," not "replace."

The point is, it's poorly written. Like I said before, I'll be ok either way. It's just good debate, as long as people don't flip out about it.

Okay, have a go explaining this poorly written sentence by PD please, "Standard cars do not support interior camera views"..........

 

[Spagetti69]

Analog your showing your age now lol.

 

[StogyBear]

I wonder how much attention the standard cars actually got. Do they use the same sounds as gt4? How many of them were actually tested thoroughly with the new physics engine? I feel like PD just imported these models, set up some parameters and called it a day. Some of the cars actually freaking repeat. We know for sure the 95 miata is a premium car, yet you can find the standard model as well in the used car dealership!!

Just that mistake alone shows how much the standard cars mean to PD. I'll bet the whole standard car idea was Sony's.

 

[mva5580]

Okay, have a go explaining this poorly written sentence by PD please, "Standard cars do not support interior camera views"..........

I guess it depends on how someone wants to interpret "interior." Does that mean a view right from the windshield, or actually a view from the driver's seat? Different people would take it different ways. They use camera views plural, not camera view singular. So it could be taken different ways.

To me, that sentence means that standard cars do not support any camera view which could be considered "inside" the car.

 

[analog]

Analog your showing your age now lol.

You meant the 20 years ago? Only hypothetical, only hypothetical....no seriously.

 

[Luminis]

I guess it depends on how someone wants to interpret "interior." Does that mean a view right from the windshield, or actually a view from the driver's seat? Different people would take it different ways. They use camera views plural, not camera view singular. So it could be taken different ways.

To me, that sentence means that standard cars do not support any camera view which could be considered "inside" the car.

Bottom line is, you could try and interpret the hell out of it. But if you just go over the sentence, read it once without actually thinking about it, you will just get something like 'no camera inside the car' in your head. And the same should be done with the statement about the wheels. Read it, don't interpret it and go with the most simple meaning.

 

[VXR]

The game expects you to purchase wheels. It also allows you to buy more than one set. You can then change the wheels from your collection. You cannot do this in a standard car.

It's pretty simple English.

 

[mva5580]

Bottom line is, you could try and interpret the hell out of it. But if you just go over the sentence, read it once without actually thinking about it, you will just get something like 'no camera inside the car' in your head. And the same should be done with the statement about the wheels. Read it, don't interpret it and go with the most simple meaning.

It would be great if the world was always that black and white, but it's not. The sentence about the camera is, to me, much more clear than the 2 sentences about the wheels.

 

[Ch0zander]

The Standard & Premium thing is really starting to strangle me. All the good cars (except TVR Tuscan & STI Racing sedan) are standard and they are ridicilously limited. Then all the premiums are stupid exotic cars or racing cars or Samba buses and Schimmwagens. There's no premium that I'd want to tune into a über time-attack carbon-fibre monster. That has been the best part in previous GTs. Tuning a Mazda Demio into a 500 hp 500kg beast. That's something you can't do in any other game.

I really couldn't care less taking a ugly 458 Italia around the ring.

As my friend, Francesco from Firenze stated: Ferrari is a Fiat, Lamborghini is a Audi, Alfa-Romeo is a place for making love, but Lancia, that's a car!

 

[Ryan81]

@ Ryan81

Exactly my point. The fanboys simply don't realise what a marketing gimmick the Standard cars are. Not enough time? They had nearly six years! It beats Forza? How? Forza has 400 finished, proper cars. GT5 has 200-250. And I'm sorry, but any current gen game blows the Standard cars right out of the water. Now, some imbecile will probably post a picture showing how the fourth left screw on the Forza M3's firewall isn't as detailed as the one on GT.

LMAO, GT5anticip8r

And actually, now with the DLC, Forza has 500 + cars, ALL with interior views and all to premium standard (no pun intended) Besides, if you really wanted to look at the interior in more detail in Forza, you'd just go to the Photo Mode and you could zoom right into the car, down to the stiching, dials, buttons, etc.

For me, 500 high quality cars beats 200-250 high quality cars and 800 upscaled cars from a generation ago. Plus, I'm far more impressed with Forza's overall car list.

 

[Luminis]

It would be great if the world was always that black and white, but it's not. The sentence about the camera is, to me, much more clear than the 2 sentences about the wheels.

Not if you just take them at face value. Or rather, just take the second one at face value. 'You can't change the wheels on standard cars'.

to change (third-person singular simple present changes, present participle changing, simple past and past participle changed)

1. (intransitive) To become something different.

The tadpole changed into a frog.
Stock prices are constantly changing.

2. (transitive, ergative) To make something into something different.

The fairy changed the frog into a prince.
I had to change the wording of the ad so it would fit.

3. (transitive) To replace.

Ask the janitor to come and change the lightbulb.
After a brisk walk, I washed up and changed my shirt.

4. (intransitive) To replace one's clothing.

You can't go into the dressing room while she's changing.
The clowns changed into their costumes before the circus started.

5. (intransitive) To transfer to another vehicle (train, bus, etc.)
6. (archaic) To exchange. [quotations ▼]

Going by the definition of the verb 'change', it could either mean that you can not replace the wheels on the car with something else, or you can't alter them at all. It sucks, either way. And since the standard wheels on a standard car can't be replaced and the standard rims can't be painted (as the other tooltip says), you most likely won't be able to paint them either.

So yeah, you might be able to resize or lighten them, but that's probably the best case scenario.

LMAO, GT5anticip8r

And actually, now with the DLC, Forza has 500 + cars, ALL with interior views and all to premium standard (no pun intended) Besides, if you really wanted to look at the interior in more detail in Forza, you'd just go to the Photo Mode and you could zoom right into the car, down to the stiching, dials, buttons, etc.

For me, 500 high quality cars beats 200-250 high quality cars and 800 upscaled cars from a generation ago. Plus, I'm far more impressed with Forza's overall car list.

Sorry, but no. The cars in Forza may all have a modelled interior, but they're (roughly) up to Prologue's cars and not to GT5's premiums. Those are head and shoulders about the models you see in Forza. They beat the standards in GT5, but that's it.

Personally, I would've preffered 250-300 premium cars (which is slightly more than what we'll be getting, most likely) over both the 800 standards and Forza's count of 500 cars.

 

[-Cheezman-]

"Standard Model Cars" is pretty clearly talking about the 800 standard model cars.

If it is truly the case that we can't change wheels on 800 of the cars. Then I'll pass on GT5. Why? Because I refuse to pay for a game that has 80% of the primary content gimped. If I were in Polyphony's shoes. I would cut other features long before I would even consider making cuts on the cars. The cars are the most important aspect of any driving game.

 

[BORDER323]

The Standard & Premium thing is really starting to strangle me. All the good cars (except TVR Tuscan & STI Racing sedan) are standard and they are ridicilously limited. Then all the premiums are stupid exotic cars or racing cars or Samba buses and Schimmwagens. There's no premium that I'd want to tune into a über time-attack carbon-fibre monster. That has been the best part in previous GTs. Tuning a Mazda Demio into a 500 hp 500kg beast. That's something you can't do in any other game.

I really couldn't care less taking a ugly 458 Italia around the ring.

As my friend, Francesco from Firenze stated: Ferrari is a Fiat, Lamborghini is a Audi, Alfa-Romeo is a place for making love, but Lancia, that's a car!

WOOHOO a Fellow Lancia fan..

I used to work for Lancia when they were at the top of their game and still in the UK in the early to late 90's as a mechanic and have been very fortunate to do some really fantastic things in Lancia's.

I had a chance to visit a Lancia motorsport specialst back then called Mike Spence Motorsport. It was here that I was privileged to be given a ride in a full on WRC Integrale.. and a full rally prepared Fulvia HF.

The integrale was just heart stoppingly quick.

I am very dissapointed to see the Fulvia didnt make the cut. IMO it should be in, if for nothing else than its wierd engine layout. That and the fact it was a truly beautifull car.

 

[Ch0zander]

WOOHOO a Fellow Lancia fan..

I used to work for Lancia when they were at the top of their game and still in the UK in the early to late 90's as a mechanic and have been very fortunate to do some really fantastic things in Lancia's.

I had a chance to visit for a week a Lancia motorsport specialst back then called Mike Spence Motorsport. It was here that I was privileged to be given a ride in a full on WRC Integrale.. and a full rally prepared Lancia Fulvia HF.

The integrale wasjust heart stoppingly quick.

I am very dissapointed to see the Fulvia didnt make the cut.

IMO it should be in, if for nothing else than its wierd engine layout. That and the fact it was a truly beautifull car.

I know I was almost dying in envy when I visited London last August.

In front my hotel room's window was a perfect Integrale HF. I literally spent an hour just admiring the car.

And my girlfriend almost left me.

There wouldn't be so few of us if there wouldn't be rust and the Lancia Beta. I just need to say that the model name and the word: rust says everything of this car.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I wonder how much attention the standard cars actually got. Do they use the same sounds as gt4? How many of them were actually tested thoroughly with the new physics engine? I feel like PD just imported these models, set up some parameters and called it a day. Some of the cars actually freaking repeat. We know for sure the 95 miata is a premium car, yet you can find the standard model as well in the used car dealership!!

Just that mistake alone shows how much the standard cars mean to PD. I'll bet the whole standard car idea was Sony's.

That said, there is nothing saying that the car IS a used car, no one said anywhere anything about used cars ALL being standard.

Not that I give a toss anyway, a cars a car, and all I see of them is the roofline and bonnet...

 

[BORDER323]

I still have alot of the documentation from way back then, service sheets , repair information , manuals etc..

To this day it remains the first car I would rush out and buy if I won the lottery.

A true iconic car that is still capable of giving the modern day equivilent's a damn good run for their money.

 

[Ryan81]

Not if you just take them at face value. Or rather, just take the second one at face value. 'You can't change the wheels on standard cars'.


Going by the definition of the verb 'change', it could either mean that you can not replace the wheels on the car with something else, or you can't alter them at all. It sucks, either way. And since the standard wheels on a standard car can't be replaced and the standard rims can't be painted (as the other tooltip says), you most likely won't be able to paint them either.

So yeah, you might be able to resize or lighten them, but that's probably the best case scenario.


Sorry, but no. The cars in Forza may all have a modelled interior, but they're (roughly) up to Prologue's cars and not to GT5's premiums. Those are head and shoulders about the models you see in Forza. They beat the standards in GT5, but that's it.

Personally, I would've preffered 250-300 premium cars (which is slightly more than what we'll be getting, most likely) over both the 800 standards and Forza's count of 500 cars.

Put it this way: I'd rather GT5 had 200-250 premiums without the 800 standards. I'm not denying that GT5's premium car interiors will be to an even higher standard than Forza's but for me, Forza's interiors were plenty impressive enough. These standard cars are what has disappointed me the most.

 

[MCAMustang2011]

Shouldn't this thread be closed? It's basically the EMO thread Part II. If everyone's bitching it may as well all go in one thread. And all this from people that haven't played the game or seen it on their own tvs.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Put it this way: I'd rather GT5 had 200-250 premiums without the 800 standards. I'm not denying that GT5's premium car interiors will be to an even higher standard than Forza's but for me, Forza's interiors were plenty impressive enough. These standard cars are what has disappointed me the most.

Dont use them then, miss out on 3/4s of the game because your being a spoilt child.

 

[Ch0zander]

I still have alot of the documentation from way back then, service sheets , repair information , manuals etc..

To this day it remains the first car I would rush out and buy if I won the lottery.

A true iconic car that is still capable of giving the modern day equivilent's a damn good run for their money.

me too, if I would fit in it.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

However, I have seen people calling us who are not fond of the standard cars ungrateful and pessimistic haters.

...

Dont use them then, miss out on 3/4s of the game because your being a spoilt child.

Being spoiled is now apparently expecting some kind of progress for these cars in the 6+ years since we first got them?