Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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- TK42OnE
Yes and we can actually listed them:
1.- Ferrari Enzo
2.- Ferrari F12007/F10
3.- Ferrari 458 Italia
4.- Mercedes SLS
5.- Mercedes C 63 AMG
6.- Lamborghini Gallardo
7.- Lamborghini Diablo
8.- Red Bull X1 Proto
9.- Jeff Gordon NASCAR
10.- Nissan G
11.- Lexus LF-A
12.- Chevrolet Camaro
13.- Subaru Impreza WRC
14.- Audi R8
15.- Their real car or any variation of their real car (SEAT ibiza cupra in my case)
16. '70 Dodge Challenger RM
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
Okay, since I have been away for almost 2 days... can someone please clarify since I'm reading conflicting statements? Standards are already barred from Photo Travel, but if I personally enter a Standard in a race, can I take a picture of it? Or can I only take pictures of Standards when they're opponent AI vehicles?
If it's the latter... I really, really want to see how some of the apologists can spin that as a positive. I'll wait.
If Standards are just not allowed to enter Photo Travel... well, it still kind of tells you how proud of them PD is.
Akira, why do you keep focusing on the "tiny" details? We have 1031 cars!
Reviews aren't that important for people who join a GT-specific site, that I'll agree with. But they will sway a lot of the casual gamers who make or break this game's sales.
Ah, that didn't take long.
Not sure it make sense to create a list from leaked video rather than getting info from official site or even gaming site. It is like people believing in youtube and wikipedia more than anything else
The same reason I don't believe every movie preview touting it as the next best thing in the history of cinema; I want info from third parties that don't have a marked interest in the title. Also, we're seeing video of the game we're receiving next week. I feel it's fair to judge that; you can't fall back on the "it's not the final build!" cries anymore.
...besides the obvious (that these aren't the same model, and GT4's Photo Travel mode is a better comparison to GT5 Standards)... all of these mm-r images made me realize something: PD has gone to the effort of actually deleting some shutlines to clean up the textures. I sort of, very vaguely, see the trunk's line in the GT5 images. This is not a step forward.
Exactly. It went very quickly from "GT looks better than anything else, ever!" (which I usually agreed with, with past titles) to "GT5 looks better than anything else... if you pick the right car". Nevermind that Standards are lacking in far more ways than merely graphics.
As for the Standards, love 'em or leave 'em, I don't care anymore what you guys do or don't like. Yes, they look as awesome as in GT4 Photo Mode, without the GT4 imaging flaws, and I'm going to be collecting them in their hundreds. You play with your 200 some odd, I'll have my 1000, and we'll both be happy. Except if you guys aren't happy unless you're complaining...
See, I think that was always the problem; you cared whether others liked or didn't like Standards. More and more limitations are being brought to light, and I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be less than enthused about them.
Problems which never get addressed or fixed, hmmm...
The official PlayStation blog, while not the official GT site, was happy to delete plenty of comments when people were flooding them about GT release dates. Your beloved Apple is known for deleting plenty of negative comments around their websites. It happens with any official place for people to voice their dissatisfaction. Not saying it's right, but I don't see it as ending, and I definitely don't see T10 as some kind of unique example, but the norm.
See, this seems strange to me; a bunch of the guys promoting the idea of "GT5 has 1000 cars!" are the ones that play with a tiny selection of them.
We're going to get past the "OMG I'm finally driving GT5" feeling. It felt great with the demo and I was probably at my most excited to play the game when the Top Gear 96 car image leaked out. But once the full games started being played, and Standards went from "acceptable" in my mind to further and further limited, an obvious grab at a 1000-car headline, missing features I had access to in GT4... it's become less exciting. I'm still excited about the actual new content though.
Did you not start the bigger-number argument?
*looks back*
Yep.
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I'm glad I can still get excited about what is still the best racing game that'll be out on PS3, warts and all. The reason I'm so annoyed with the Standards is because they really are so limited. Cars that are only available to drive, and do little else to other than mechanically tune, are similar to the kinds of things Tenacious D writes off as a negative about PC sims; limited options. It's 2010, and the main competitor to GT positively destroys Premium cars in customization, and further, to the point of kind-of-embarassing, when you compare to Standards. Yeah, GT5 has some pretty great physics... but physics can't be (and shouldn't be) the only solid selling feature about the car lineup. Car nuts will love it, but people who want to get that feeling of really "owning" a car in the digital world, of really making it their own, won't get that with Premiums.
Two other small things: looking over a quick browse of the car list on Wikipedia, if FM4 followed the PD school of car lists and just imported every single car from their last generation (and current generation) previous titles, the gap would be very small indeed.
The second thing; an honest question, but take away the Standard cars (as other than some texture work, it's pretty clear not a lot of work has been done on them, or in implementing them with all of GT5's new features)... we're left with a game that has taken a long, long time. Does it not seem kind of small for 5 years in the making? I don't mind, because like I've said, the amount of new content is good for me, and the quality of it is astounding... but it's odd to me. I still can't see where all the time went... people will say time changes and weather a lot, but seeing as how those aren't throughout the game, but limited to a handful of instances, it's not very convincing.
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^^^^^^^^^^
SlipZtrem,
Dude you pretty much said whatever was in my head.
It's honestly un-acceptable in PD's part to treat the Standards as an after-thought, yet making us believe otherwise.
SlipZtrem,
Dude you pretty much said whatever was in my head.
It's honestly un-acceptable in PD's part to treat the Standards as an after-thought, yet making us believe otherwise.
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- RedSuinit
Here we go again with the 5 years in the making nonsense. PD hasn't JUST been working on GT5 since GT4's release. They have also released TT GTPSP, and GTHD. GTHD was scrapped in December of 06, which means that development of GT5 really started then (which it did, if you look at GTHD it is clear that they hadn't really done much) which isn't surprising considering that TT was released in April of '06. Then if you subtract the time that was spent on GTPSP (which it would not surprise me if GT5 lost 6 months to a year of actual manpower development time because of it) you're really looking at 3-3.5 years of development time. 1-1.5 years longer than the development time of FM3, only without all of the outsourcing. I think we are getting MORE than what we should be expecting from that amount of actual development time.
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- jdmking13
- Lucid killer 58
Wow slip really thats a lot of writing man honestly, i'm done with arguing with you guys man. GT5 is going to be a great game and i'm going to enjoy it, there really isn't a reason to post here anymore, everybody has their own opinion nothing is going to change, just really sad GTP is so negative lately.
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- RedSuinit
You misunderstand me. We are getting way MORE than we should expect considering 3-3.5 years of development time, especially from a 140 man team. It's not PD's fault SONY forced the, to finish GTPSP.
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I'd say those pictures look awesome but the last one doesn't have deformation in the grass or enough blades of grass being thrown in the air by the car. Epic fail PD... how can you put out such a sub-par product?
/sarcasm
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
I was going to type more, but really, this:
...covers it. GTHD amounting to little more than a very long-development tech demo still means PD made the decision to spend time on it. And it wasn't a complete waste; it arguably never really did get scrapped, since GT5 seems to borrow the idea of it. I really wish we knew how long PSP really did take away from the development; I don't see why it would take longer than 6 months, but who knows. We probably never will.
But okay, let's say 3.5 to 4 years... yeah, I'm pretty impressed with the actual new content we got. Which is what I've been saying; it's why I still want the game. But the only reason this game can lay claim to the biggest car list of any racer are those GT4 carry-overs; without them, it definitely isn't the biggest game anymore. Sadly, I guess the numbers race was more important; because the quality of new stuff that PD has made really is second-to-none 👍
It's really not that much; the quotes take up a lot of space
.It's hard to not be negative when I first see "Standard cars cannot change rims" (which, btw, I haven't seen many people admitting that, yep, the most straight-forward way to read that was the correct way). Then I read that Standards can't go into Photo Travel. They can still have ugly generic wings that look out of place on 90% of the cars, though, so... woohoo? I'm not one of the people who can be pleased with literally anything PD gives us. They have competition these days and need to acknowledge that. I want them to succeed, because they really did start the sim-racing-on-consoles movement.
...and for the record, I literally cannot wait to start playing with Premiums in Photomode. It's like flipping through an issue of Evo...
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- RedSuinit
I was going to type more, but really, this:
...covers it. GTHD amounting to little more than a very long-development tech demo still means PD made the decision to spend time on it. And it wasn't a complete waste; it arguably never really did get scrapped, since GT5 seems to borrow the idea of it. I really wish we knew how long PSP really did take away from the development; I don't see why it would take longer than 6 months, but who knows. We probably never will.
But okay, let's say 3.5 to 4 years... yeah, I'm pretty impressed with the actual new content we got. Which is what I've been saying; it's why I still want the game. But the only reason this game can lay claim to the biggest car list of any racer are those GT4 carry-overs; without them, it definitely isn't the biggest game anymore. Sadly, I guess the numbers race was more important; because the quality of new stuff that PD has made really is second-to-none 👍
It's really not that much; the quotes take up a lot of space
It's hard to not be negative when I first see "Standard cars cannot change rims" (which, btw, I haven't seen many people admitting that, yep, the most straight-forward way to read that was the correct way). Then I read that Standards can't go into Photo Travel. They can still have ugly generic wings that look out of place on 90% of the cars, though, so... woohoo? I'm not one of the people who can be pleased with literally anything PD gives us. They have competition these days and need to acknowledge that. I want them to succeed, because they really did start the sim-racing-on-consoles movement.
...and for the record, I literally cannot wait to start playing with Premiums in Photomode. It's like flipping through an issue of Evo...
I can agree with this post completely. However, I think I will enjoy racing all of those standard cars. I guess it really would depend on PD's motivation, and if it was actually PD's choice. I wouldn't put it past SONY to make them do that. I am not saying SONY did, I am just saying it wouldn't surprise me.
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- SlipZtrEm
(NINJA-EDIT) - Cheers, RedSuinit. For the record, yeah, almost nothing from Sony would surprise me these days either.
I will... but that was never really a question, was it?
I would love some confirmation on my earlier question, though; do we have confirmation that the only way to take pictures of Standards in a race is to race against them in a Premium? Can I not take pictures of my own Standards no matter what? If they are completely and utterly locked out of Photomode for player cars, I'd love to know. Because I think many will agree with me that that'd be an utter joke.
Edit just saw iti know your going to have a great time with them.
I will... but that was never really a question, was it?
I would love some confirmation on my earlier question, though; do we have confirmation that the only way to take pictures of Standards in a race is to race against them in a Premium? Can I not take pictures of my own Standards no matter what? If they are completely and utterly locked out of Photomode for player cars, I'd love to know. Because I think many will agree with me that that'd be an utter joke.
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- Lucid killer 58
(NINJA-EDIT) - Cheers, RedSuinit. For the record, yeah, almost nothing from Sony would surprise me these days either.
I will... but that was never really a question, was it?
I would love some confirmation on my earlier question, though; do we have confirmation that the only way to take pictures of Standards in a race is to race against them in a Premium? Can I not take pictures of my own Standards no matter what? If they are completely and utterly locked out of Photomode for player cars, I'd love to know. Because I think many will agree with me that that'd be an utter joke.
You can take pictures of the standards just not in the travel photo mode this is what one of the people who have the game said.
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- GTP_Leonidae_MFT
Thing is, those mentioned cars had helluva lot larger impact on the world than Countach and Veyron.
Very true. In many aspects the people who have chosen the car list is pretty spot on. On other aspects,not so much. Then again, physics are still gonna kick ass, regardless if it has a good looking interior. After all, physics is what is gonna keep you having fun at the end of the day. It is after all a Car game.
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- SlipZtrEm
True, and on the other hand; the Countach and Veyron have had a larger impact on the world than a good chunk of the other Premiums.
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