Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

  • Thread starter LP670-4 SV
  • 10,183 comments
  • 785,639 views

What would you have rather had PD do about "premium" vs. "standard" cars

  • Keep everthing the same

    Votes: 324 19.1%

  • Release the game later with all the cars "premium"

    Votes: 213 12.6%

  • Not do "premium" cars at all but focus on other features i.e. dynamic weather

    Votes: 134 7.9%

  • DLC packs after the release

    Votes: 844 49.8%

  • Wished PD didn't get are hopes up, lol

    Votes: 180 10.6%
  • Total voters
    1,695
SuperCobraJet
I assume your talking about future DLC with regaurd to aftermarket wheels?
Click to expand...

Nope; from what we saw of GT Auto in a Premium car (only one video so far), there are aftermarket companies that provide us rims, different from GT4's, though (I saw Advan, Enkei, and new-comer Motegi, iirc). We haven't seen the entire lineup of swappable rims, but we haven't seen any "Today's Special" equivalent this time either...
 
Luminis
Dunno about everyone, but as far as I am concerned, I freely admit that Gran Turismo will still be my game of choice. And I can freely admit that it's the best of its kind in my opnion. Blowing Forza and every other racing game out of the water is, again, something that I fully expect GT5 to do and I am indeed willing to admit that much.

And while I can't speak for others, and probably shouldn't, I haven't seem that many of the other guys opposing the standard cars claiming Gran Turismo to be a bad game. Disappointing because it didn't live up to the hype, because we expected more out of a GT game and because PD was very, well, careful with what they wanted to showcase about the game for a long time, yes, that's true. But if you look at some of those who did post negative comment in this thread a lot, like analog, Lucas, Toronado, SlipZtrEm or myself, none of those people actually said they hated the game. On the contrary, as far as I remember, everyone was voicing that, despite being disappointed, despite expecting more, they're going to get it.

Sorry to the users I mentioned specifically in my post, I didn't mean to speak on your behalf without your consent or anything, I just thought that it might be a somewhat important point to make.
Click to expand...

PD never promised anything that wasnt in the game. That is the point that he was trying to make. The point that people are complaining as if PD shouldve done more with the game.
 
SlipZtrEm
Nope; from what we saw of GT Auto in a Premium car (only one video so far), there are aftermarket companies that provide us rims, different from GT4's, though (I saw Advan, Enkei, and new-comer Motegi, iirc). We haven't seen the entire lineup of swappable rims, but we haven't seen any "Today's Special" equivalent this time either...
Click to expand...

Sorry, I was referring to standards, not premiums.
The following is from Amar's notes on the Pal version:

"One of the most repeated questions is about changing rims on Standard cars. No, Standard cars can't have their rims changed. Period. Forever. Sorry guys, but there are more than 200 Premiums waiting to have their rims changed, and I guess it is lots of dirty hands to be washed after only that number. Imagine 1031, no hands can sustain so much degreaser and soap And no, really no, Standards do not have interiors too".
 
gaming25
PD never promised anything that wasnt in the game. That is the point that he was trying to make. The point that people are complaining as if PD shouldve done more with the game.
Click to expand...

While they didn't promise anything, just look at the new Kevin Buttler commercial. He talks about having a thousand cars, about them having realistic damage. Only premium footage is shown.

And while that does not equal promising anything, would such a comemercial lead you to believe that the game consists of 220 cars that look like what you're seeing on TV and have the damage that is mentioned and 800 that feature neither of those qualities?
And that commercial is pretty indicative for most of the stuff PD showcased about GT5. While they didn't promise anything, I'd call that kind of advertising misleading, to say the least.

Furthermore, whether they promised anything or not, why wouldn't one be allowed to criticise PD's decisions about GT5? Them doing more isn't my point, at least. Doing stuff differently is.
And I don't see any reason that somehow turned PD or GT into a devine entitiy that automatically does everything right.


You know, the kind of feeling that I get from these kind of posts is best expressed by a picture.

5190297339_267bd808cc.jpg
 
Last edited:
SlipZtrEm
Hyperbole, thy name is TD.
Click to expand...
I've hardly cornered the market in hyperbole, Slip. Especially not in here. ;)

Nor have I told anyone, "You shouldn't complain." Not lately, not really. But what I have said is that it's really too late in the game to be grouching endlessly on something no one can do a thing about. GT5 is on Blu-ray disc in cases. It is finished, and it is essentially here, now. Will complaining about Standards change anything about them? Or will it inspire you guys to simply keep complaining?

What I have said is to use it as leverage against SONY to let them know we expect them to take a reasonable amount of money and fund the expansion of the Polyphony team, so they can model a car and track list that resembles the one we all hoped to see in GT5 in GT6. Does complaining about something that no amount of complaining will change sound reasonable? Or does it make more sense to use that energy to try and shape the future game we'll hopefully be getting in a few years, God willing and the world holds together?
 
gaming25
PD never promised anything that wasnt in the game. That is the point that he was trying to make. The point that people are complaining as if PD shouldve done more with the game.
Click to expand...

I don't understand why we still have to abide by this "promised" rule as if everything has to be said in absolute terms and printed in triplicate to be reasonable to assume...

There are plenty of ways to set expectations and plenty of ways to handle disseminating dissapointing news... both of these are areas PD has performed poorly in and have only made the issue worse...

Those of us following GT5s development for the last half decade have seen a lot of pretty pictures/videos, words on presentation slides and veiled comments all implying and infering all number of great things and we have seen VERY little honest and open information about the limitations and dissapointments.

You don't have to say "I promise to have 1000 cars all of the super high quality we are showing here" to have infered it plenty to be a reasonable expectation.
 
gaming25
PD never promised anything that wasnt in the game. That is the point that he was trying to make. The point that people are complaining as if PD shouldve done more with the game.
Click to expand...

That logic is just so flawed. Basically, you just accept everything PD tells you?
Basically, they decide what is acceptable and what isn't?
 
Luminis
And that commercial is pretty indicative for most of the stuff PD showcased about GT5. While they didn't promise anything, I'd call that kind of advertising misleading, to say the least.
Click to expand...


What? Misleading?

Don't you realize thats blaphemy? :irked:

Off with his head!

Devedander
I don't understand why we still have to abide by this "promised" rule as if everything has to be said in absolute terms and printed in triplicate to be reasonable to assume...

There are plenty of ways to set expectations and plenty of ways to handle disseminating dissapointing news... both of these are areas PD has performed poorly in and have only made the issue worse...

Those of us following GT5s development for the last half decade have seen a lot of pretty pictures/videos, words on presentation slides and veiled comments all implying and infering all number of great things and we have seen VERY little honest and open information about the limitations and dissapointments.

You don't have to say "I promise to have 1000 cars all of the super high quality we are showing here" to have infered it plenty to be a reasonable expectation.
Click to expand...

I can't bewieve dis, another disloyal subject.

We'll have no trouble keeping the executioner busy, thats for sure.
 
Luminis
"You can't tell the difference between premium and standard cars! They will look so good in GT5!"

Uhm... Yeah... And that's that.
Click to expand...

You're kidding right?

Not a fair comparison at all. The Standard car shot was taken in the daylight, with a camera. The premium's at night., and no even close up.
People will do anything to bash standards now, huh? Unfair comparison, completely.

👎
 
Toronado
Yes, it is a good thing that we have you to so valiantly and blindly defend them. Even those (several) times when it was colossally clear that you didn't know what you are talking about, you stood by them. It is quite commendable, such dedication. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

So, I was wrong. I know now.


But now, some say standards are bad management, a waste of time, embarrassing, useless, should've been left out, the bad apples in the GT5 bunch. And I know that they aren't. They have limitations, but as long as you can drive them, they're all worth it. I mean, they're cars. What do you do with cars? Drive. That comes before everything else.
 
Peter
Not a fair comparison at all. The Standard car shot was taken in the daylight, with a camera. The premium's at night., and no even close up.
Click to expand...
Let's step aside the obvious problem with this for a second and tackle the specifics.
Does being at night mask the jagged textures that the Premium has? No. Because the Premium doesn't have them. Does looking at the Premium from a different angle hide how the door handles and panels are simply textures? No. Because the Premium doesn't have them. Will doing an ultra-zoom on the Premiums reveal similar nasty jagged textures? No.
Because the Premium doesn't have them.

All, and I repeat this for emphasis since several people have been banging on this point since we first learned about the Standard Cars: ALL that a direct completely 100% fair comparison between the two would do is make the Standard cars look worse.

Peter
People will do anything to bash standards now, huh?
Click to expand...
:rolleyes:
 
HuskyGT
Hey, at least the wheels don´t look like a cardboard piece.
Click to expand...

Funny guy.

This standard has to be the worst we have seen so far, i'm hoping it is both a bad model and because its zoomed in photo mode.

We have seen some other models, even racing with premiums (like the Ruf) and they definitely don't stick out.
 
Leaving jokes aside... There is something funny about this pic. I´m sure that the Miata does´nt look this bad even in GT4. I´ve seen other pictures of standards, and PD eliminated the jagged textures almost completly. I will take some pictures in GT4 to compare them. I´m thinking this is photoshoped. Otherwise, it could be a bad model, maybe PD forgot to upscale it, things like that have happend in the past. Remember the Evo 7 on GT3 that had the rear brake calipers in front, and the huge front calipers on the rear?
 
The only work PD have done on texture is toning down door and panel gap lines opacity down in order to make them stand out less, and removing "textured shading" where possible. Resolution for the remaining textures however is exactly the same as in GT4 (the Micra MM-r posted a few pages back was a good example).

The problem is that until GT4 all details that in GT5 are modeled in 3D, were textured at a resolution suitable for the PS2: low.
Even wheel arches (as can be seen above) were textured in order to fake detail that wasn't there.
Unfortunately the HD resolution makes all these tricks very visible.
 
People think that Standard Miata is Photoshopped? Really?

:lol:

Those images are going to ignite something pretty ugly. Glad I'll be away for the next day or two.
 
Peter
But now, some say standards are bad management, a waste of time, embarrassing, useless, should've been left out, the bad apples in the GT5 bunch. And I know that they aren't. They have limitations, but as long as you can drive them, they're all worth it. I mean, they're cars. What do you do with cars? Drive. That comes before everything else.
Click to expand...

Devedander
Well that didn't last long.
Click to expand...

Now, when things are not taken out of context, it is obvious how this response makes no sense.
 

Similar threads

Sonygamer455
  • Poll
Autotune in Music - What's your opinion on it?
Replies
8
Views
3K
sirjim73
sirjim73
N
Tuning sheet (thoughts?)
Replies
5
Views
3K
Nicktrix
N
moby323
Thrustmaster Open wheel and P310 Competition wheel ergonomics
Replies
0
Views
848
moby323
moby323
MroczMR
Mechwarrior 5 and Mechwarrior Online
Replies
4
Views
1K
EngieDiesel
EngieDiesel
quentin32321
  • Poll
Force Feedback Comparison: Fanatec Clubsport DD+ VS Logitech Pro DD11 Wheel Base in Gran Turismo 7
Replies
16
Views
2K
RS60NR
RS60NR

Latest Posts

Back