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Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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Its pretty easy to make a virtual car get the same lap times in a game as in real life whilst still having physics that are completely off.
Its interesting to look at the car files for the simbin series of games (GTR, GTR2, RACE, etc) and see what variables they feed into their physics engine.
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Note to self, By all standard cars in Black, dark silver, dark blue, Screw it just paint them all black, that will solve my problem.
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Standard cars don't stand up to close scrutiny, but they are just fine when driving.
It's not an ideal situation, but it's the situation we have to deal with. I'm more disappointed with the inability to customise them (wheels!) than I am with how they look, because we've known how they'd look for a long time now.
If the only portion of the game is as good as we all want it to be, then it would be far easier to gloss over the standard car fiasco.
It's not an ideal situation, but it's the situation we have to deal with. I'm more disappointed with the inability to customise them (wheels!) than I am with how they look, because we've known how they'd look for a long time now.
If the only portion of the game is as good as we all want it to be, then it would be far easier to gloss over the standard car fiasco.
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Haha 50 or 60 bucks... Seriously, just swallow your pride and buy the game then all your worries about vintage ferrari's etc. will disappear. You obviously have no concept of time (6 years) or money if you think it's too expensive. Personally (and I'm sure many others will agree), I think it's a small price to pay.
Besides if you're that big a Ferrari fan than you would be over the moon to see any of them included, not to mention the F40 (arguably one of the greatest ferrari's ever made)
PS this thread is lightning, every time I post something there is a whole page of comments ahead of me
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fixed.
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Dude, you picked just about the exact same spots I froze the game to look at the Pescarolo!
In fact, I have the video cued up in my player still. I watch it every so often because its beauty fascinates me. The way the car flows over the bumpy track. The way the reflections glimmer. The way the headlights aren't textures.
I especially like the way the field is roaring along with 16 cars. It looks like a real race many times, and these are Standard cars.You know, the ugly ones that in bad images some people laugh at.
And see, that's the thing. sumbrownkid made a pertinent remark yesterday, paraphrasing: "When you get all Sherlock Holmes over a game, you analyze all the life and fun out of it." Something like that. This is what some of us are doing.
Some guy makes it sound like, except for a few good shots that make the cars look sort of almost okay, the whole video reveals a crime against graphics. This is the same video we're all seeing. But for some reason, some of you can't see what I do.
Well, you can toss the game on the "I'm not buying this poo (until price drop)" if you like, that's what free will is all about. But it sounds to me more like pre-judgment.
Heck, I'm pre-judging too. But with such an awesome track record and videos that make me want to race races I usually don't like quite as much, I think my judgment calls based on what I see are safe bets. I bet I'm going to love this game, and any notions of fanboyism are fine with me. I mean, it used to be acceptable to be a fan of something good. If that changed sometime without my knowledge, I'm not changing with the times, sorry.
Okay, first chance I get... I'm going for that VW BUS!!
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Some day do you think maybe you could actually reflect what someone else says when they paraphrase them? Maybe just once?
I never said anything like except for a few good shots... I don't go around saying "Tenacious D thinks the whole game is pre rendered on ILM CGI machines" do I? Is your screen still on the fritz or something?
Did you not read the AUP? Do you just not realize when you say completely untrue things directly?
And we are all seeing what you see... you are the one who seems can't (won't) see what we see...
And do you not see the total hyporcracy in saying we shouldn't negatively judge the game based on videos and pictures, but you have already pre judged the game positively based on the same videos and pictures?
Be a fan of good things by all means, but as is so commonly reminde around here, you dont' know it's a good thing until you have it so being a fan before you have it and can know... well... we're not supposed to use that word
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(hold on, I'm tired and headachy, and I usually end up sounding like I'm typing in my sleep. I'll just edit my original post. No sense in starting a needless ruckus) 
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Oh, I know I will like this game but I just decided that I need to wait and see what goes on with DLC and patches. I will call myself a graphic whore so I understand and am sorely disappointed that the PS3 and this generation in general was just not up to the task of running these games like it should. It was microsoft who rushed this gen and they deserve to be flogged for it. Sadly, jaggies and shadows, the two most important things that can go horribly wrong in games besides tearing and framerate, are what gets hit and it gets ugly and that goes for all games.
To be honest I don't give a hoot about the F40. Where is the 250 GTO, Gran Turismo Omologata, one of the greatest cars ever made, or the 288 GTO for god's sake. You are telling me some modern japanese rendition took precedence over these. I don't think so. Where is the Dino, the 250 Lusso, the beautiful 275 GTB, the 166MM Barchetta that started most of we call Ferrari today. I could go on and on. These cars are legends. They need to be in a game like this. Heck, I don't even need porsche if you have some of those older Ferrari's. The coachbuilders were always more talented at Ferrari imo.
The 250 series is THE most famous and rare series of cars in the world no argument. Scaglietti overseeing the original 250 GTO after the walkout is probably one of the most in/famous things in automobile history. Why is the car not here in the supposed most complete game on earth. 250 Testa Rossa's (red heads) are just ridiculously awesome. They won 3 le mans so where the **** are they. They hold records for price paid. Utterly luxurious and rare. Something you would want in your virtual car collection. Yeah, pipe dream.
Now don't take me wrong here I respect what they have done but it has been 5 years and this is the first time Ferrari is in the game. I expected a bang with the license. What is here is more than mildly disappointing. Not everybody wanted new cars to drive with though they are more than appreciated. Also, where is the Maserati MC12. I would have thought that one of their main race cars would have been added to the whole one they already have in the game. I think it is pretty apparent this car list is padded beyond belief and has eons to go before anybody could call it definitive. And nobody is arguing that anybody else has done a better job but c'mon PD some of this stuff is ridiculous. HIRE MORE STAFF or whatever the **** needs to be done. It has been 5 years!
I love the Enzo and California and what is there trust me I love what they have done. But after all the talk I cannot just sit here and say wow my dreams have come true because they haven't. I am not going to rail on the graphics. I knew what to expect and so did everybody else that knows what 60FPS entails in the current gen. It's all about the cars baby and I feel shortchanged and like I am going to be ripped with DLC. The sad thing is can only hope that DLC is coming and that I will be ripped. My main problem is that Standard cars make up the majority of vintage cars and the standard cars are basically garbage. Oh well, heh, have fun dreaming I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RL_1958_Ferrari_250_Testa_Rossa_34.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1962_Ferrari_250_GTE.jpg
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2007/07/09/538461/VintageFerrariGTB4.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/1962_Ferrari_250_GTO_34_2.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandini-1_1965_1000-km-Rennen_Nürburgring_-_Foto_Spurzem.jpg
To be honest I don't give a hoot about the F40. Where is the 250 GTO, Gran Turismo Omologata, one of the greatest cars ever made, or the 288 GTO for god's sake. You are telling me some modern japanese rendition took precedence over these. I don't think so. Where is the Dino, the 250 Lusso, the beautiful 275 GTB, the 166MM Barchetta that started most of we call Ferrari today. I could go on and on. These cars are legends. They need to be in a game like this. Heck, I don't even need porsche if you have some of those older Ferrari's. The coachbuilders were always more talented at Ferrari imo.
The 250 series is THE most famous and rare series of cars in the world no argument. Scaglietti overseeing the original 250 GTO after the walkout is probably one of the most in/famous things in automobile history. Why is the car not here in the supposed most complete game on earth. 250 Testa Rossa's (red heads) are just ridiculously awesome. They won 3 le mans so where the **** are they. They hold records for price paid. Utterly luxurious and rare. Something you would want in your virtual car collection. Yeah, pipe dream.
Now don't take me wrong here I respect what they have done but it has been 5 years and this is the first time Ferrari is in the game. I expected a bang with the license. What is here is more than mildly disappointing. Not everybody wanted new cars to drive with though they are more than appreciated. Also, where is the Maserati MC12. I would have thought that one of their main race cars would have been added to the whole one they already have in the game. I think it is pretty apparent this car list is padded beyond belief and has eons to go before anybody could call it definitive. And nobody is arguing that anybody else has done a better job but c'mon PD some of this stuff is ridiculous. HIRE MORE STAFF or whatever the **** needs to be done. It has been 5 years!
I love the Enzo and California and what is there trust me I love what they have done. But after all the talk I cannot just sit here and say wow my dreams have come true because they haven't. I am not going to rail on the graphics. I knew what to expect and so did everybody else that knows what 60FPS entails in the current gen. It's all about the cars baby and I feel shortchanged and like I am going to be ripped with DLC. The sad thing is can only hope that DLC is coming and that I will be ripped. My main problem is that Standard cars make up the majority of vintage cars and the standard cars are basically garbage. Oh well, heh, have fun dreaming I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RL_1958_Ferrari_250_Testa_Rossa_34.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1962_Ferrari_250_GTE.jpg
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2007/07/09/538461/VintageFerrariGTB4.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/1962_Ferrari_250_GTO_34_2.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandini-1_1965_1000-km-Rennen_Nürburgring_-_Foto_Spurzem.jpg
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By the way, I can certainly sympathize with khronikos. I was looking forward to a pretty large list of Ferraris myself. My favorite is the F355 Challenge. I wanted to see a wealth of Lamborghinis, Maseratis, the Koenigsegg. But then, being less of a supercar nut than I am a sports car fanatic, I wanted even more to see something like a Ford Probe, some additional Mustangs and a Pontiac Fiero GT. I know some people roll their eyes at this, but I love the wealth of Japanese sports cars, Skylines, Subis and all.
I guess Gran Turismo is the game some people are just doomed to have issues with. In my case, it's just over 24 hours to wait and see what the fuss is for myself, after a lengthy install.
I guess Gran Turismo is the game some people are just doomed to have issues with. In my case, it's just over 24 hours to wait and see what the fuss is for myself, after a lengthy install.
I agree, so many of us are passionate about certain cars. I am a Ferrari nut in that I would love to drive them and learn more about them. GT is the perfect place to do that. But until it gets into the history of the automobile, which I mistakenly thought this game was going to do, I will not be quite up in the clouds as some people are. For some reason I had thought that Kaz was really going to reach out and make a lot of these cars into the game. I also thought that Standard just did not have interiors. I thought this whole time that Standard cars were just interior less versions of Premiums though maybe slightly less detailed. I was misinformed.
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There's a lot of anger in that post. But hey, if you're not happy I suppose who are we to judge, the purpose of a forum is to express you opinion after all. I can understand that you're not happy about the exclusion of certain cars as many people are, but again you have to appreciate that the car selection is up to the people who make the game, and catering for everyone's tastes is impossible.
Think how many people are upset about Porsche not being included, but it's not enough to detract them (us) from buying the game.
My favourite car of all time is not included but I will still be blown away when I fire it up for the first time in 2 days time.
Try to see the positive side because I'm sure it will far outweigh the disappointment.
And I struggle to understand how any Ferrari fan could not "give a hoot about the F40". It was the last car commissioned by Enzo Ferrari before he died and basically set the standard for sports cars at the time
That was a little strong. I do and still love the F40. I was trying to say there are many cars I would have chosen over it as the F40 has its better more modern variations in the game already where as Ferrari's vintage, the most beautiful cars in history imo, are just completely absent bar one racing car! And I really do appreciate making the 330 67' a Premium. I think I can expect DLC at this point I would have no clue why not but if say it's 5 cars for 5 or 10 dollars it makes a difference. I am not looking to spend a fortune on things I feel should be in this game already. But I would appreciate some words here or there confirming what the **** is going on because some of really care about the cars in this game. PD needs to learn PR in the way they communicate to their audience. I am tired of Kaz not being able to speak in english or to really even talk straight to his fans in the way we want him to the point I am willing to learn japanese before he learns english lol. I would not exactly be sad if PD had some english or italian devs to help them out a bit with things they clearly do not understand.
Oh, and the 288 GTO is not one of the models I need in the game but it would be nice seeing where the F40 came from.
And look at this Dino: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Dino_246_GT.jpg
It would somewhat make up for no porsche.
Oh, and the 288 GTO is not one of the models I need in the game but it would be nice seeing where the F40 came from.
And look at this Dino: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Dino_246_GT.jpg
It would somewhat make up for no porsche.
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DLC is a must for this game, to many cars to say no DLC. And I have so many wants to say no DLC.
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Yeah you're right, a bit more communication would be nice. At the end of the day PD have and will continue to pump out an amazing product, but it would be nice not to be kept in the dark about certain things and to receive a bit of feedback, especially considering they have developed such a loyal fanbase
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the visual models for the cars have ZERO effect on what the physics engine is doing...they could model every car to look like a brick and make them perform however they want...the physics engine takes into account what specifications that PD put in for the car....they tell the game how much power it has, its weight, length, etc...the physics engine does the rest...
the visuals and physics are COMPLETELY independent from each other...it makes no difference if the car was modeled for GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4, or GT5....
hi all,
i just got my copy yesterday and i could wait to play GT5 the secussor of all racing games.
when i played gt5 i was shocked in a bad way realy
and am sorry to say that
pro and cons
pro
1000+ car , weather , day night
premium cars
flashing head lights only on P cars press R1
engine over haul when u engine get old or damaged
cons
1-standard cars look lick your playing with a PSP or GT3A in terms of graphic :@ which is almost 80% of the car in game :S
2-no cockpit intrior view for S-cars
3-some modification when done cant be return to stock :@ ( wish the didn't do that ) such as wight reduction and engine internals ( its a game so please dont give us hard time !!)
4-pint you cant paint S cars !! only P cars . also P cars when u want to paint them u cant unless u have a spacial color gift that u can use only one time :@ stupid future
5-on s cars u cant change the rims ?? only in P cars. for every car set there is a certain wheels u can install not like ( Forza 3 which u could chose the manufacture of wheels and chose your wheel )
6-damage is way expensive to repair ( got my 350z P ) it cost almost 17000CR to fix :@
7-cant buy certain cars unless u reach a certain level !!
8-car dealer really have few cars but all of them are P , on the other hand which was a nice feature in GT4 used dealer ship for each continuant its not there any more u just go to uesd dealer ship and hop that u find the car that u been looking for which is almost impossible to have !! espicaly when all cars are listed in the same page :< which is no more that 50 cars .... guess have to be patient to have the rest of 700s cars they named :S
i just got my copy yesterday and i could wait to play GT5 the secussor of all racing games.
when i played gt5 i was shocked in a bad way realy
and am sorry to say that pro and cons
pro
1000+ car , weather , day night
premium cars
flashing head lights only on P cars press R1
engine over haul when u engine get old or damaged
cons
1-standard cars look lick your playing with a PSP or GT3A in terms of graphic :@ which is almost 80% of the car in game :S
2-no cockpit intrior view for S-cars
3-some modification when done cant be return to stock :@ ( wish the didn't do that ) such as wight reduction and engine internals ( its a game so please dont give us hard time !!)
4-pint you cant paint S cars !! only P cars . also P cars when u want to paint them u cant unless u have a spacial color gift that u can use only one time :@ stupid future
5-on s cars u cant change the rims ?? only in P cars. for every car set there is a certain wheels u can install not like ( Forza 3 which u could chose the manufacture of wheels and chose your wheel )
6-damage is way expensive to repair ( got my 350z P ) it cost almost 17000CR to fix :@
7-cant buy certain cars unless u reach a certain level !!
8-car dealer really have few cars but all of them are P , on the other hand which was a nice feature in GT4 used dealer ship for each continuant its not there any more u just go to uesd dealer ship and hop that u find the car that u been looking for which is almost impossible to have !! espicaly when all cars are listed in the same page :< which is no more that 50 cars .... guess have to be patient to have the rest of 700s cars they named :S
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there's about 60 skylines in the game, 11 ferraris is definitely not enough. if porsche were in GT, and, to clarify, this is a completely hypothetical situation, I think they should have at least 45 cars (I'd make a list, but I'm sure nobody really wants that). considering the amount of variety they give to japanese cars of the mid 90s, they really should give us a few more legendary sports and racing cars.
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- gtone339
hi all,
i just got my copy yesterday and i could wait to play GT5 the secussor of all racing games.
when i played gt5 i was shocked in a bad way realy
pro and cons
pro
1000+ car , weather , day night
premium cars
flashing head lights only on P cars press R1
engine over haul when u engine get old or damaged
cons
1-standard cars look lick your playing with a PSP or GT3A in terms of graphic :@ which is almost 80% of the car in game :S
2-no cockpit intrior view for S-cars
3-some modification when done cant be return to stock :@ ( wish the didn't do that ) such as wight reduction and engine internals ( its a game so please dont give us hard time !!)
4-pint you cant paint S cars !! only P cars . also P cars when u want to paint them u cant unless u have a spacial color gift that u can use only one time :@ stupid future
5-on s cars u cant change the rims ?? only in P cars. for every car set there is a certain wheels u can install not like ( Forza 3 which u could chose the manufacture of wheels and chose your wheel )
6-damage is way expensive to repair ( got my 350z P ) it cost almost 17000CR to fix :@
7-cant buy certain cars unless u reach a certain level !!
8-car dealer really have few cars but all of them are P , on the other hand which was a nice feature in GT4 used dealer ship for each continuant its not there any more u just go to uesd dealer ship and hop that u find the car that u been looking for which is almost impossible to have !! espicaly when all cars are listed in the same page :< which is no more that 50 cars .... guess have to be patient to have the rest of 700s cars they named :S
Gosh, I thought it was cheaper then that. 👎
shirakawaa
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The right word should be "updates/patches". GT5 Prologue spec updates were updates/patches in my opinion.
The "DLC" term at this point means to me "pay more to fix an incomplete game".
I take that when people refer to "DLC" they actually mean "patches", am I right?
Because personally, I find that actually wanting to pay to bring the game to a "normal", unglitched, complete status is just... not right.
Shirakawa,
For me DLC comes in two forms
Patches - should be free and pretty much fixes anything wrong with the game
DLC - stuff to extend the game. I would prefer if it was free. If its released on the day the game is released or if it was soon after its kind of a dick move. On the other hand, if GT5 released a car pack of premiums of cars that aren't even made yet (i.e. '11 or '12 models), and released that in 2 years time, say 1.5 years before GT6 is out, then I don't mind paying AS MUCH. Probably wont get it, but since it extends the game in a way they couldn't have done for this original release, I see that as acceptable.
Going the Assassin's Creed 2 option and wanting to release it before the game was done and then making you pay for 2/14 is a bit dicky, especially given PC got them as part of the game and thye admitted that they just ran out of time.
For me DLC comes in two forms
Patches - should be free and pretty much fixes anything wrong with the game
DLC - stuff to extend the game. I would prefer if it was free. If its released on the day the game is released or if it was soon after its kind of a dick move. On the other hand, if GT5 released a car pack of premiums of cars that aren't even made yet (i.e. '11 or '12 models), and released that in 2 years time, say 1.5 years before GT6 is out, then I don't mind paying AS MUCH. Probably wont get it, but since it extends the game in a way they couldn't have done for this original release, I see that as acceptable.
Going the Assassin's Creed 2 option and wanting to release it before the game was done and then making you pay for 2/14 is a bit dicky, especially given PC got them as part of the game and thye admitted that they just ran out of time.
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- walterjoe
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hi all,
i just got my copy yesterday and i could wait to play GT5 the secussor of all racing games.
when i played gt5 i was shocked in a bad way realy
pro and cons
pro
1000+ car , weather , day night
premium cars
flashing head lights only on P cars press R1
engine over haul when u engine get old or damaged
cons
1-standard cars look lick your playing with a PSP or GT3A in terms of graphic :@ which is almost 80% of the car in game :S
2-no cockpit intrior view for S-cars
3-some modification when done cant be return to stock :@ ( wish the didn't do that ) such as wight reduction and engine internals ( its a game so please dont give us hard time !!)
4-pint you cant paint S cars !! only P cars . also P cars when u want to paint them u cant unless u have a spacial color gift that u can use only one time :@ stupid future
5-on s cars u cant change the rims ?? only in P cars. for every car set there is a certain wheels u can install not like ( Forza 3 which u could chose the manufacture of wheels and chose your wheel )
6-damage is way expensive to repair ( got my 350z P ) it cost almost 17000CR to fix :@
7-cant buy certain cars unless u reach a certain level !!
8-car dealer really have few cars but all of them are P , on the other hand which was a nice feature in GT4 used dealer ship for each continuant its not there any more u just go to uesd dealer ship and hop that u find the car that u been looking for which is almost impossible to have !! espicaly when all cars are listed in the same page :< which is no more that 50 cars .... guess have to be patient to have the rest of 700s cars they named :S
Alternatively you could get the cars you wanted in GTPSP and transfer them over. I have over 800 cars in that so I think I got the ones I want covered.
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Can anyone confirm if we are getting a premium 2009 ZR1?
Edit: Nevermind, I see the official list says you get a premium and standard.
Edit: Nevermind, I see the official list says you get a premium and standard.
