You're referring to the vast minority of cars in GT4. Most of them have textured lights.
Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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You're referring to the vast minority of cars in GT4. Most of them have textured lights.
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What many of you are forgetting is that those standard cars won't be ported the same way they have been in previous games - there WILL be some visual upgrade noticeable on them, and in no way hell will they leave the polycount in 80% of the fun below 300000.
Find me someone who could say that Forza 3 cars look better than the second video. Oh and not to mention their lights will also be working.
Find me someone who could say that Forza 3 cars look better than the second video. Oh and not to mention their lights will also be working.
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Besides the desire to believe that, is there any evidence that that claim is indeed true?
From this comparison
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3906360#post3906339
It certainly doesn't appear many polygons have been added to the models...
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when paused, you will find similar flaws and many more in games like Forza and whatnot. Yes, they are direct ports but even the post you showed shows that the textures have been updated. I barely recognized such minor details in the trailer, in which this particular scene is spectacular.
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Beautiful.
Not as good as premium... but its still beautiful.
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Im pretty sure that the textures are the same, look at the rounded rectangle over the "elf" logo, they have the same compression issues, maybe the new texture are upscaled, but not redrawed.
^ And yes, they are beautiful, since GT3 PD has nailed at the levels of light and color saturation, you look at the green or alphalt and have the closest levels to reality.
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What I fail to see is the point of some people comparing Standard cars in GT5 with FM3 cars, besides of diverging attention due to uncondicional GT praise, to what really matters and should be in discussion, and should be protested, which is the comparison between Standard and Premium Cars in GT5!
I will not race GT5 standard cars on the track agains FM3 cars so I could care less and it is irrelevant if the FM3 cars are showing bricks in place of wheels or are photo-realistic.
Fanboyism, from side to side, is scalling ridicule levels.
I will not race GT5 standard cars on the track agains FM3 cars so I could care less and it is irrelevant if the FM3 cars are showing bricks in place of wheels or are photo-realistic.
Fanboyism, from side to side, is scalling ridicule levels.
Standard cars feel .. standard up close.
I think that in normal racing they wont stand out that much. It only will in photo mode/replays while two cars are up-close.
The only standard cars that look quite ugly in that video/ presentation are Le man ones, and i think that's because of there headlights (they should not be that glossy, because of that you can see they are textured)
I think that in normal racing they wont stand out that much. It only will in photo mode/replays while two cars are up-close.
The only standard cars that look quite ugly in that video/ presentation are Le man ones, and i think that's because of there headlights (they should not be that glossy, because of that you can see they are textured)
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The comparison is being made for the obvious reason that FM3 is the flagship racer on the "other" console, and consequently a most natural, this gen. comparitive source.
However you are correct in the purest sense, seeing this is the "standard" vs. "premium" car thread.
Obviously your not alone in your assesment.
Its pretty well established GT does a much better job of modeling the proportional details of the real cars.
I don't consider your position whining, but on the other hand, MS and Turn10 would be one of the last sources I would expect perfection out of.
I can still enjoy the racing aspect, in spite of some noted flaws.
One thing I think we can count on with GT5, and thats the premium cars will raise the bar on graphic display way above anything out there.
Will have to wait and see how the standard cars shake out.
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Funny how this debate somehow focusses on car-modelling when the distinction between Standard and Premium is mainly detailing ( and ofcourse a different way of building these models which therefore create other possibilities ).
The car models ( body ) PD created were always accurate and well-proportioned compared to some other developers ( not just Forza, I recall the original Dirt game by Codemasters having some truly unconvincing replications ).
Whatever technique they use and whatever the graphical differences may be between S and P, the basic shapes were always spot on.
The car models ( body ) PD created were always accurate and well-proportioned compared to some other developers ( not just Forza, I recall the original Dirt game by Codemasters having some truly unconvincing replications ).
Whatever technique they use and whatever the graphical differences may be between S and P, the basic shapes were always spot on.
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OH... so now when I call the texture "fact" out with proof, now it shifts to "Well... most of them are just textures, maybe"? Have any proof?Yep some of them are (maybe the majority?) but not all of them are entirely textured.
Anyway, you've shown a standard car's headlights (even though that evo is premium now), now on to a premium's:
(piccie snip)
WHY PD? WHY?
I find it amusing that some people just have to make remarks because someone said so, and that's enough to establish something as factual. You know, saying it enough makes it so. But even then, the issue is pretty much irrelevant to me because if they are, those are some very good "textures." Making textures light from within is a trick that I'm more than fine about.
And believe me, I've seen the extreme close-ups of the Prologue headlights from high megapixel screengrabs. Delicious. Would I rather have everything in this detail? Sure! I expected it to be so. But unlike some people, I got over it pretty quickly. Which brings me to this...
Look. I can understand why some of you are irate. I can't understand why you're still giving yourselves ulcers over it, but whatever.
HOWEVER, if you're saying we're nothing but a bunch of blind idiot fanboys because we want those 800 Standard cars in the game, want to collect them and race them, and have the NERVE to say they're good looking...
This is a bit much.
It may gall you that I find the screengrabs taken from the Standard videos to be lovely. And I do. I think those are some darn handsome cars. And to most of us, having 200 unbelievably detailed cars with 800 nicely detailed cars is a great compromise.
I remember going back to GT2 when I finally got around to buying my PS2 and GT3, the game that finally made me realize how good the PS2 was. GT3 made GT2 look and feel primitive, even with Bleemcast. But I missed race mod, I missed all those tracks, and I missed a car list that was almost three times as large. I kept wishing Grindelwald or Red Rock Valley had made it over, or any number of cars.
I don't want a GT3(10^2). I find the Standard cars - and Standard tracks, if we get them too - to be a good compromise. Getting mad at us if we aren't as cranky as you are isn't winning you many friends, let me tell you.
I guess if GT Planet hosts a bunch of Standard car races, we'll wave bye to the grouchy holdouts.
Oh, and SuperCobraJet, 👍
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I'm touched and appreciate your concerns about my stomach condition. Let me assure you everything's fine on that department (apart from a somewhat exaggerated dimension of it) 👍
Can you please be so kind enough to point from my post (the one which you quoted) from where did you reached that conclusion?
Standing alone, yes they look fine. I've said it already in a previous post of mine. The problem is that they are not alone, and neither are up to "standards" of PS3 capabilities (as the mere existence of Premium cars make it obvious). And how this is sub-par to the series tradition.
Although I don't agree with it being "a great compromise" - more like as a half-rushed inclusion for keeping up the numbers to me - I'm fine with that opinion of yours.
I'm sorry to hear that. But also I'm sorry to say that I'm not looking for friends in a internet forum where you are able to state your opinions about, in this case, GT5. My friends are in my personal live not virtual. And even in my personal life I don't change or soften my opinions and convictions in order to "win many friends".
Again, I humbly ask you to point in my post you quoted my "madness" against you for finding the inclusion of standard cars a good compromise.
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What amazes me is that people keep defending the standard cars, and sometimes it even seems like people like them more than the premiums! 
I just don't get what's so exciting about last gen cars that we've already driven on the last gen console. But hey, that's just me.
I just don't get what's so exciting about last gen cars that we've already driven on the last gen console. But hey, that's just me.
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Honestly, the game would be only half as interesting without the Standard cars, can you imagine how awesome will be to race the 1000 miles again, against fifteen opponents at once? 
I can almost feel. 👍
@analog: Agree, the basic shape of the cars is always spot on to reality, also, look at the Lancia Stratos on the Standard car trailer so see how miraculous the GT5 lighting model can be, that car look awesome.
I can almost feel. 👍@analog: Agree, the basic shape of the cars is always spot on to reality, also, look at the Lancia Stratos on the Standard car trailer so see how miraculous the GT5 lighting model can be, that car look awesome.
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Honestly, the game would be only half as interesting without the Standard cars, can you imagine how awesome will be to race the 1000 miles again, against fifteen opponents at once?
You couldn't do it also if the game didn't have the standard cars? I missing the point of your argument.
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What amazes me is that people keep defending the standard cars, and sometimes it even seems like people like them more than the premiums!
I just don't get what's so exciting about last gen cars that we've already driven on the last gen console. But hey, that's just me.
If this was aimed partly at me, I wasn't defending Standard cars ( I made perfectly clear in other posts how I feel about this whole issue ).
Mainly pointing out the car models ( basic shapes, proportions, etc. ) were always spot on compared to a lot of other titles.
That doesn't take away the graphical differences ( which to me isn't the real issue btw, it's the possible lack of dashboard view ).
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Honestly, the game would be only half as interesting without the Standard cars, can you imagine how awesome will be to race the 1000 miles again, against fifteen opponents at once?
Forgot about that! I really hope they bring that back. Hopefully there is more series with that same concept on different tracks.
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What amazes me is that people keep defending the standard cars, and sometimes it even seems like people like them more than the premiums!
I just don't get what's so exciting about last gen cars that we've already driven on the last gen console. But hey, that's just me.
They don't look last gen, and im sure they don't have the same physics, sure they aren't as nice as premiums, but they are also nothing for people to get upset about. GT5 will have 1000 amazing cars, not 200. Because some of the best cars are going to be standard, and I hate that people seem to think that standards are going to be useless.
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It's not just about the looks. It's about not having a cockpit, it's about not having full damage, it's about not having high/low beams, it's about not being able to swap out body panels. In short, it's about missing out on quite some of the fun stuff if you resort to drvbing a standard car. At least, that's the most important thing from my point of view.
And they may not be last gen, but they're not this gen either, they're somewhere inbetween...
Le-Mans cars cost about 4 million credit in psp. I spent a fortune (credits ) for my car collection in gt psp. It's a shame most of them are standart (like the Audi R8 Lms team playstation). I think that they at least deserve a dashbord view like the psp so that its more realistic and much less difficult to drive them with strng wheel.
) for my car collection in gt psp. It's a shame most of them are standart (like the Audi R8 Lms team playstation). I think that they at least deserve a dashbord view like the psp so that its more realistic and much less difficult to drive them with strng wheel.
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Some of those muscle cars in the E3 demo were Premium and some are dating before 1970.
Not disputing what you guys are saying - I personally think that some classic cars SHOULD be premium! Hell, I personally think ALL cars SHOULD be premium... - what is used to state that is assumptions from what we have seen (a dash board in the making process of the 300SL and the E3 videos - although on the latest I'm not sure if there isn't a clear video of the menu stating 'premium' in a muscle car...).
But yeah I believe you both are right.
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I would welcome classic cars as premium too. I understand most people here want their supercars as premiums but for me the classics are where it's at.
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, so by now we have confirmation of a 300SL and a Fiat 500L as Premium cars, so if you want to play the 1000 Miles in internal view, you must choose between a Italian rolling roadblock and a overkiller German Legend. Thank god the Z/28 is there in Premium form.
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No.. by know you don't have confirmation at all. You have hints.
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I just want game in my hand!!!
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