Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[twisteddeeds]

I have to say something on this, look at it this way... the top picture is from GT5p, at least a 2 year old game... and the pics underneath look like shots off screen.. not screenshots, but pictures taken off screen (possibly).. which are (supposedly) showing a picture of gameplay... or ingame..

there are no lap times etcetera on screen.. and NOBODY can prove otherwise until final code is among the masses...

These comparisons are fruitless at the moment, "WE" as consumers have nothing to compare with...

yes its all fine and dandy saying "oh look at the difference" between the pics...

don't get me wrong i'm not defending one or the other, "BUT" its shocking to me the amount of people on here are ready to jump on the band wagon over a few "shots" that don't show the final game compared to prologue....

In my opinion I thought prologue looked good (for its time)

and to me if GT5 improves on that, i will be impressed...

I can't see the game looking any worse than prologue.. anyone that thinks that needs to wise up.. (thats my opinion)

 

[chromatic9]

Once again, resolution does not change the actual car model.

I didn't suggest that.

 

[analog]

My personal opinion on this, is that standard cars will be of gt5p quality. Look at the car list in gt5p, and tell me, outside of about 30 cars, why would the rest be "premium". While gt5p cars did have dashboard view, and you could look to the left, right, and behind (looks good), it is not near as detailed as what has been shown with the premium cars. I also think they might have used less detail in the standard car video because we all know they are really pushing the premium cars, and how accurately modeled they are, but if they showed cars of gt5p quality next to premium cars, alot of people could not tell the difference in the little details. I think they wanted to show an obvious difference in the two. I have noticed alot of people talking about how they modeled even the back side of the wheels so that it is not just a black block behind the wheel looking like nothing is there. Look closely at the gt5p cars, and you will see that it is black on the back side of the wheel, unlike the premium cars.

These, of coarse are just opinions and observations. We will not know for sure until we actually have it in our hands on November 2.

The only reason I can think of as to why they might "exaggerate" the differences graphically between Standard and Premium ( if that's the case hypothetically ofcourse, that seems like an odd decision anyway ) is to get the debate out of the way before release to prepare people for those differences which might otherwise become apparant when playing ( or not initially ).
If the differences are indeed very small it will be regarded as a positive whilst if we were expecting all cars to be somewhat equal those differences might trigger a debate ( not only on forums like this but probably also in reviews ) like the one we're seeing now.
800 cars with the quality of Prologue ( including interiors ) and 200 even better is something we all should be satisfied with, although if that's the case I would shout it from the rooftops if I were PD, not preparing to soften the blow............

 

[yellowclone]

800 cars with the quality of Prologue ( including interiors ) and 200 even better is something we all should be satisfied with, although if that's the case I would shout it from the rooftops if I were PD

And they might just do that at Gamescom or TGS. I am sure they didn't want to give away all the details at E3 with 2 more big game shows coming up. Like I said, that is my personal opinion, but none of us will know for sure until we see actual footage of standard cars in gameplay.

 

[twisteddeeds]

The only reason I can think of as to why they might "exaggerate" the differences graphically between Standard and Premium ( if that's the case hypothetically ofcourse, that seems like an odd decision anyway ) is to get the debate out of the way before release to prepare people for those differences which might otherwise become apparant when playing ( or not initially ).
If the differences are indeed very small it will be regarded as a positive whilst if we were expecting all cars to be somewhat equal those differences might trigger a debate ( not only on forums like this but probably also in reviews ) like the one we're seeing now.
800 cars with the quality of Prologue ( including interiors ) and 200 even better is something we all should be satisfied with, although if that's the case I would shout it from the rooftops if I were PD, not preparing to soften the blow............

Thats how i see it though, i can't imagine the "standard" cars looking worse than prologue... but so many people have expectations that don't match reality..

YES i do wan't 1000 highly detailed cars, down to shape of exhaust excetera.. but it's just not possible.. especially when last gen went "next gen".. unless you want to wait another few (possibly 3 to 4 years) and see GT5...

but to be honest, if the 800 cars are to Prologue standards, "which i think they are if not better".. then i'm glad, because in the end i thought and still think prologues cars still look good..

and if other games can improve over say 2 years development time, why can't Gran Turismo?

 

[eSZee]

Thats how i see it though, i can't imagine the "standard" cars looking worse than prologue... but so many people have expectations that don't match reality..

You're saying your expectations don't match reality? Standard cars are nowhere near GT5P quality. All we have is a video to go by but that's more than we have to say otherwise.

 

[Dravonic]

You're saying your expectations don't match reality? Standard cars are nowhere near GT5P quality. All we have is a video to go by but that's more than we have to say otherwise.

If he's saying his expectations don't match reality then fine, because they don't. If he's saying our expectations don't match reality then well, I want whatever he's having.

 

[VXR]

If it's been stated the standard cars are carry-overs from GT4 and if it's been stated they haven't re-modeled them, a fairly easy way to kill the comparison is to find a GT5P screen and the same car in GT4 and use photomode pictures.

I've actually thought the older GT5P screens have been better quality than the new 18mp ones launched recently. Were the older GT5P ones bullshots? I'm thinking of the ones where the car is in a garage or the M3 in the village within the Nordschleife.

 

[Dravonic]

If it's been stated the standard cars are carry-overs from GT4 and if it's been stated they haven't re-modeled them, a fairly easy way to kill the comparison is to find a GT5P screen and the same car in GT4 and use photomode pictures.

I've actually thought the older GT5P screens have been better quality than the new 18mp ones launched recently. Were the older GT5P ones bullshots? I'm thinking of the ones where the car is in a garage or the M3 in the village within the Nordschleife.

Nope, they just weren't 18MP shots. The extremely high resolution show flaws that lower resolutions don't.

 

[RedSuinit]

Once again, resolution does not change the actual car model. They're still blocky and low poly, much moreso than other car models in current games. Resolution can only change how the model is displayed.

What does that have to do with what he posted? You keep posting the same stuff over and over again, even when it has no relevance.

 

[JDMKING13]

What does that have to do with what he posted? You keep posting the same stuff over and over again, even when it has no relevance.

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[II IVORBIGUN II]

You're saying your expectations don't match reality? Standard cars are nowhere near GT5P quality. All we have is a video to go by but that's more than we have to say otherwise.

So how come insidesimracing said the standard cars are the same quality as GT5P?

 

[kingcars]

What does that have to do with what he posted? You keep posting the same stuff over and over again, even when it has no relevance.

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I didn't suggest that.

Seriously guys? Seriously? Does anybody know how to read?

Also how the resolution and edges look etc. PC ***** can do wonders with PS2 games.

FYI, posting about emulation isn't allowed by the AUP; I got in trouble for mentioning it on here. But just so you know, in NO WAY do PCs enhance the 3D models. All they do is display them in a nicer RESOLUTION. WOW OMG, IMAGINE THAT!!! Also, please learn how to read before posting, and be sure that you actually know what you're talking about. There are only about 3-4 people in here who do. Thank you, have a nice day.

 

[RedSuinit]

Seriously guys? Seriously? Does anybody know how to read?



FYI, posting about emulation isn't allowed by the AUP; I got in trouble for mentioning it on here. But just so you know, in NO WAY do PCs enhance the 3D models. All they do is display them in a nicer RESOLUTION. WOW OMG, IMAGINE THAT!!! Also, please learn how to read before posting, and be sure that you actually know what you're talking about. There are only about 3-4 people in here who do. Thank you, have a nice day.

Lol, you clearly have no understanding of that sentence you have quoted. Looks like you're the one who doesn't know how to read. He is not saying that the resolution improves the model. What he is saying is that Polyphony may have different levels of models, including some with better resolution and edge quality. He just wants more information before he jumps off the deep end, unlike you. He was not associating the two as being directly correlated.

Your outburst of sarcasm was not necessary or needed.

Also, why is emulation against the AUP exactly? It's not an illegal activity. While there have been illegal uses for it, it is NOT illegal in any way.

 

[danielwhite74]

So how come insidesimracing said the standard cars are the same quality as GT5P?

Insidesimracing aren't an even remotely credible source. They claimed that Gran Turismo 5 was delayed in order to avoid competing with Forza 3.

 

[yellowclone]

If it's been stated the standard cars are carry-overs from GT4 and if it's been stated they haven't re-modeled them

That may be so, but who is to say that the previous way they were modeled was not dumbed down to fit the PS2 hardware and limited disc space. I hope that PD is smart enough to know that these cars they modeled would be used on a next generation console at some point in the future, and planned ahead for it. I mean, PD is a part of Sony, so surely they knew some details about the capabilities that the PS3 would have, and therefore modeling the cars with enough detail to fit the bill on a next generation console.

 

[danielwhite74]

Lol, you clearly have no understanding of that sentence you have quoted. Looks like you're the one who doesn't know how to read. He is not saying that the resolution improves the model. What he is saying is that Polyphony may have different levels of models, including some with better resolution and edge quality. He just wants more information before he jumps off the deep end, unlike you. He was not associating the two as being directly correlated.

Your outburst of sarcasm was not necessary or needed.

Also, why is emulation against the AUP exactly? It's not an illegal activity. While there have been illegal uses for it, it is NOT illegal in any way.

While widespread console emulation is indeed illegal, it is not illegal if you actually own the hardware you are emulating and are using the BIOS taken from that said hardware, as opposed to downloading it from a website.

 

[Rodpunisher]

Guys, just stop arguing with the trolls ...

 

[chromatic9]

Seriously guys? Seriously? Does anybody know how to read?



FYI, posting about emulation isn't allowed by the AUP; I got in trouble for mentioning it on here. But just so you know, in NO WAY do PCs enhance the 3D models. All they do is display them in a nicer RESOLUTION. WOW OMG, IMAGINE THAT!!! Also, please learn how to read before posting, and be sure that you actually know what you're talking about. There are only about 3-4 people in here who do. Thank you, have a nice day.

Ironic!

My last comment was finally about the appearance of them.

If you think I'm suggesting that upping the res improves the 3D modeling then I feel sorry for you.

 

[kingcars]

Lol, you clearly have no understanding of that sentence you have quoted. Looks like you're the one who doesn't know how to read. He is not saying that the resolution improves the model. What he is saying is that Polyphony may have different levels of models, including some with better resolution and edge quality. He just wants more information before he jumps off the deep end, unlike you. He was not associating the two as being directly correlated.

Your outburst of sarcasm was not necessary or needed.

Well then if thats how he meant it, than it had nothing to do with what I was saying previously. I was assuming that he was actually replying to my post, which I believe he quoted. So if I'm wrong, I apologize.

Also, why is emulation against the AUP exactly? It's not an illegal activity. While there have been illegal uses for it, it is NOT illegal in any way.

I PM'd you, for privacy's sake.

 

[gtracedriver]

Guys, just stop arguing with the trolls ...

But yeah I agree this is obviously the most talked about subject after E3

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Insidesimracing aren't an even remotely credible source. They claimed that Gran Turismo 5 was delayed in order to avoid competing with Forza 3.

I admit im not a massive fan of insidesimracing and don't agree with their views with regards to physics engines of racing games. However for the moment I feel they are a better judge than the rest on this thread for the simple reason they have actually played GT5.

 

[Goshin2568]

I just thought of something. A few days ago I was watching an interview of some Sony guy who was talking about GT5. The interviewer was pressing him hard for stuff like premium vs standard, cars interiors, etc. Basically, good stuff that we all want to know. The first time he asked, though, the Sony guy said something like (This is not a quote!)

"Um, that is something we are not disscussing right now, we choose what to talk about at each conference. At E3 this year, we are really focusing on the launch date and damage. I mean, we can't share everything at once."

To me, that kind of hints at some big news they were keeping until GC or TGS.

 

[eSZee]

I just thought of something. A few days ago I was watching an interview of some Sony guy who was talking about GT5. The interviewer was pressing him hard for stuff like premium vs standard, cars interiors, etc. Basically, good stuff that we all want to know. The first time he asked, though, the Sony guy said something like (This is not a quote!)

"Um, that is something we are not disscussing right now, we choose what to talk about at each conference. At E3 this year, we are really focusing on the launch date and damage. I mean, we can't share everything at once."

To me, that kind of hints at some big news they were keeping until GC or TGS.

Yes, this has been known since E3.

 

[Goshin2568]

ya well I know that, considering it was an E3 interview...

I was just saying it for it's possible relevence in this thread, Standars vs Premium.

 

[eSZee]

ya well I know that, considering it was an E3 interview...

I was just saying it for it's possible relevence in this thread, Standars vs Premium.

It sounded like you were saying you're the first to notice it an point it out.
The second the interview happened, people were posting about it in most likely every thread. We have a GC thread already AFAIK, and after that show is done we'll have a TGS thread, because they told us more will come in august.

 

[Goshin2568]

No, that's not what I was suggesting. In fact, the interview I mentioned is actually in the News section. I just meant it in response to people saying things like:

"If PD were going to have interior view, or GT5P quality standard cars, they would be shouting it from the rooftops."

I'm trying to say, we are not out of time, they still have some big news still left.

 

[terminator363]

I don't mind if they don't have cockpit view but the mainstream audience and reviews could hurt this game, and thats bad.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

They will have to announce it somehow because a tiny asterisk on a site isn't enough. Only us nutjobs have seen it. The rest of the world thinks the cars they've seen at the demos and whatnot will all be how they appear; cockpit views, beautiful interior, etc. When as of E3, that appears to be false.

I just cannot see them avoiding it totally.

 

[Dan_]

As much as I'm eager to see how this novel will end, I must say we'll only find out about it when the game is almost released.

Asking for clarification on any issue from PD is just like searching for a pin in the ocean. We're not getting anywhere, unfortunately.