Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[hampus_dh]

The standard models look fine actually, based on what i´ve seen from trailers and such.

I would expect the exterior part to match almost match Forza 3 but with better lightning.

 

[the Interceptor]

As much as I'm eager to see how this novel will end, I must say we'll only find out about it when the game is almost released.

Asking for clarification on any issue from PD is just like searching for a pin in the ocean. We're not getting anywhere, unfortunately.

That's very true, unfortunately. But I think that they will shed more light on this when they clear up more details of the game on the upcoming gaming fairs.

 

[Luminis]

I admit im not a massive fan of insidesimracing and don't agree with their views with regards to physics engines of racing games. However for the moment I feel they are a better judge than the rest on this thread for the simple reason they have actually played GT5.

They have played an E³ demo. All of the demos that PD used to show off the game so far featured premium cars only. Hence, insidesimracing's claims about the standard cars are (most likely) baseless assumptions.
Stating stuff like that to be fact makes them even less credible, in my opinion.

Also, they stated GT5's physics to be quite close to Forza's, at least closer than GT5P's. Does that sound like something a credible source would say? Personally, I don't care all that much, but I guess there are people who'd like to rip them a new one just for saying something like that.

That's very true, unfortunately. But I think that they will shed more light on this when they clear up more details of the game on the upcoming gaming fairs.

I do get the feeling that PD will avoid the whole issue as long as possible. I mean, they must have noticed the whole discussion going on and on, despite that short statement on their website. It seems to me that they don't want to clear that issue up...

 

[steve30x]

They have played an E³ demo. All of the demos that PD used to show off the game so far featured premium cars only. Hence, insidesimracing's claims about the standard cars are (most likely) baseless assumptions.
Stating stuff like that to be fact makes them even less credible, in my opinion.

They also got a private interview with Kaz. So they arent that much in the dark.

 

[Antti-san]

They also got a private interview with Kaz. So they arent that much in the dark.

I don't know, interviews with KY usually only compound the confusion instead of alleviating it.

 

[steve30x]

I don't know, interviews with KY usually only compound the confusion instead of alleviating it.

They were also shown a demo of features not announced in the game and they saw what the standard cars looked like.

 

[Luminis]

They were also shown a demo of features not announced in the game and they saw what the standard cars looked like.

Could you link what they said about it? Because, from what I remember, they didn't talk about something like that in their E³ GT5 special.

 

[steve30x]

They did talk about what they were allowed to talk about. You will find the info on the E3 special thread on here im sure.

 

[Luminis]

They did talk about what they were allowed to talk about. You will find the info on the E3 special thread on here im sure.

If one was to believe that insidesimracing has, in fact, seen and/or used the 'real' standard cars in GT5 and believed them that they are on par with the cars in Prologue, that would mean that PD/Sony intentionally used outdated footage to show the standard cars to thee general audience - making their own game look worse than it actually is.

Doesn't sound like something a company that held all info on the worse looking stuff back would do, at all. In fact, it doesn't sound like something any company would do.

 

[steve30x]

If one was to believe that insidesimracing has, in fact, seen and/or used the 'real' standard cars in GT5 and believed them that they are on par with the cars in Prologue, that would mean that PD/Sony intentionally used outdated footage to show the standard cars to thee general audience - making their own game look worse than it actually is.

Doesn't sound like something a company that held all info on the worse looking stuff back would do, at all. In fact, it doesn't sound like something any company would do.

They held a lot of info back so far why not hold back this info? First of all you base your theiory on that they didnt attend the break out session and now you are saying they are lieing. Anyway heres a link.

I'm basing my comments on what they talked about int he "Breakout Session"

http://insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=2093&p=15621#p15635 - Post #4

 

[Goshin2568]

If one was to believe that insidesimracing has, in fact, seen and/or used the 'real' standard cars in GT5 and believed them that they are on par with the cars in Prologue, that would mean that PD/Sony intentionally used outdated footage to show the standard cars to thee general audience - making their own game look worse than it actually is.

Doesn't sound like something a company that held all info on the worse looking stuff back would do, at all. In fact, it doesn't sound like something any company would do.

So from the time their game is announced they are going to share every last detail about it? No. They hold stuff back. No matter what the answer is to this question they are currently holding it back.

Just because it's good news dosen't mean they have to announce it ASAP. After GC and TGS, then you can say they aren't going to announce it, until then, we don't know.

 

[JDMKING13]

So from the time their game is announced they are going to share every last detail about it? No. They hold stuff back. No matter what the answer is to this question they are currently holding it back.

Just because it's good news dosen't mean they have to announce it ASAP. After GC and TGS, then you can say they aren't going to announce it, until then, we don't know.

👍 They even said more new news to come at GC.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

They have played an E³ demo. All of the demos that PD used to show off the game so far featured premium cars only. Hence, insidesimracing's claims about the standard cars are (most likely) baseless assumptions.
Stating stuff like that to be fact makes them even less credible, in my opinion.

Also, they stated GT5's physics to be quite close to Forza's, at least closer than GT5P's. Does that sound like something a credible source would say? Personally, I don't care all that much, but I guess there are people who'd like to rip them a new one just for saying something like that.

Thats why I said I don't rate their opinions because Forza physics are nothing like GT5P or GT5, based on the time trial. However with regards to standard cars im just hoping they don't have a problem with their eyesight and that they are indeed correct.

 

[Imari]

If one was to believe that insidesimracing has, in fact, seen and/or used the 'real' standard cars in GT5 and believed them that they are on par with the cars in Prologue, that would mean that PD/Sony intentionally used outdated footage to show the standard cars to thee general audience - making their own game look worse than it actually is.

Doesn't sound like something a company that held all info on the worse looking stuff back would do, at all. In fact, it doesn't sound like something any company would do.

Actually though, if they have to break the bad news of 800 low grade cars, how are they best to go about it? A simple announcement of what they have which is an acceptable level? People would still bitch and moan and feel ripped off. Or announce a lower level and then a month later come back with "actually guys, it's not as bad as you thought"? If they announce Prologue levels of detail on the 800 now they'll be hailed as the saviours of the universe.

 

[eSZee]

Actually though, if they have to break the bad news of 800 low grade cars, how are they best to go about it? A simple announcement of what they have which is an acceptable level? People would still bitch and moan and feel ripped off. Or announce a lower level and then a month later come back with "actually guys, it's not as bad as you thought"? If they announce Prologue levels of detail on the 800 now they'll be hailed as the saviours of the universe.

They already did. Look at GTHD and look at the E3 2009 flyer or what was it, that had all the features of GT5 listed. The 830/170 standard/premium has been known for over a year and even more than 3 years counting GTHD. It was the fault of those who haven't followed GT5 closely for the past 5 years, like myself, and those who decided to ignore the news, for this being a bigger deal that it should be.

 

[JDMKING13]

They already did. Look at GTHD and look at the E3 2009 flyer or what was it, that had all the features of GT5 listed. The 830/170 standard/premium has been known for over a year and even more than 3 years counting GTHD. It was the fault of those who haven't followed GT5 closely for the past 5 years, like myself, and those who decided to ignore the news, for this being a bigger deal that it should be.

Cant explain it better than that 👍

 

[Devedander]

They already did. Look at GTHD and look at the E3 2009 flyer or what was it, that had all the features of GT5 listed. The 830/170 standard/premium has been known for over a year and even more than 3 years counting GTHD. It was the fault of those who haven't followed GT5 closely for the past 5 years, like myself, and those who decided to ignore the news, for this being a bigger deal that it should be.

I am sorry but they said "something" about standard and premium cars, but no details about this so it's not like people just missed it... it was never said.

In hindsite one can attribute what we know now to what they said then, but in no way does that mean they actually said it... they might have meant it but there is a huge difference.

Just because they said theire would be two groups, until they actually say or show the details as to what defines those groups, they have not told us anything. And that's what happened... just saying "there will be premium and standard" tells you nothing about what those words actually mean in relation to the prodcut.

 

[JDMKING13]

I am sorry but they said "something" about standard and premium cars, but no details about this so it's not like people just missed it... it was never said.

In hindsite one can attribute what we know now to what they said then, but in no way does that mean they actually said it... they might have meant it but there is a huge difference.

Just because they said theire would be two groups, until they actually say or show the details as to what defines those groups, they have not told us anything. And that's what happened... just saying "there will be premium and standard" tells you nothing about what those words actually mean in relation to the prodcut.

They did say Standard would consist of cars from GT4 and premium would be created from scratch.

August 18, GamesCom, held in Cologne, Germany: Gran Turismo 5 has been announced! Here is the latest information on the game design.

■ models included
1,000 vehicles
170 Premium new models (full interior modeling, the interior corresponds to vehicle damage)
830 kinds of standard model (some are from Gran Turismo 4 that have been carried over to GT5

 

[danielwhite74]

I don't think Polyphony would be stupid enough to portray the last-generation models as a central part of Gran Turismo 5 by including them in the main GT Mode. Gran Turismo HD was to be split into two different titles: Gran Turismo HD Premium and Gran Turismo HD Classic. They then scrapped the idea and presumably incorporated Gran Turismo Classic into Gran Turismo 5 as a separate game mode.

 

[analog]

I am sorry but they said "something" about standard and premium cars, but no details about this so it's not like people just missed it... it was never said.

In hindsite one can attribute what we know now to what they said then, but in no way does that mean they actually said it... they might have meant it but there is a huge difference.

Just because they said theire would be two groups, until they actually say or show the details as to what defines those groups, they have not told us anything. And that's what happened... just saying "there will be premium and standard" tells you nothing about what those words actually mean in relation to the prodcut.

And even if they said something, as some people say Kaz did mention a few years back that not all cars would have interiors modelled, it didn't really get across in a clear way mind you.
You can't even expect us to fully understand or even notice those messages most of the time if they aren't confirming it clearly and definitely on their own site or in interviews, let alone the casual gamers who've come to expect it on this generation of games as the competition ( admittingly with fewer cars, but still ) includes this feature ( and all cars being equal regarding the other issues ).
They could have easily clarified this if they wanted to, either they still have something up their sleeve or, more likely, they just try to avoid it and hope everyone will be blinded by the overall game and its new features.

 

[JDMKING13]

And even if they said something, as some people say Kaz did mention a few years back that not all cars would have interiors modelled, it didn't really get across in a clear way mind you.
You can't even expect us to fully understand or even notice those messages most of the time if they aren't confirming it clearly and definitely on their own site or in interviews, let alone the casual gamers who've come to expect it on this generation of games as the competition ( admittingly with fewer cars, but still ) includes this feature ( and all cars being equal regarding the other issues ).
They could have easily clarified this if they wanted to, either they still have something up their sleeves or, more likely, they just try to avoid it and hope everyone will be blinded by the overall game and its new features.

Ill take "up their sleeve" for 500 Alex.

 

[analog]

Ill take "up their sleeve" for 500 Alex.

Solly my Engrish....

 

[Devedander]

They did say Standard would consist of cars from GT4 and premium would be created from scratch.

August 18, GamesCom, held in Cologne, Germany: Gran Turismo 5 has been announced! Here is the latest information on the game design.

■ models included
1,000 vehicles
170 Premium new models (full interior modeling, the interior corresponds to vehicle damage)
830 kinds of standard model (some are from Gran Turismo 4 that have been carried over to GT5

Again I believe that fell a lot to the interpretation fairies as on our own GT N ews page you will see it was editoirialized with a note about them being cars we have seen before - as if directly refuting it could mean anything else like ported models from GT4.

Also it says specifically stuff about interior modeling and damage... it does not make any mention to exterior graphical integrity at all.

And even if they said something, as some people say Kaz did mention a few years back that not all cars would have interiors modelled, it didn't really get across in a clear way mind you.
You can't even expect us to fully understand or even notice those messages most of the time if they aren't confirming it clearly and definitely on their own site or in interviews, let alone the casual gamers who've come to expect it on this generation of games as the competition ( admittingly with fewer cars, but still ) includes this feature ( and all cars being equal regarding the other issues ).
They could have easily clarified this if they wanted to, either they still have something up their sleeve or, more likely, they just try to avoid it and hope everyone will be blinded by the overall game and its new features.

Exactly... there is too much being not said or not said clearly to really make the claim that anything about this aspect of standard cars was really said.

 

[Imari]

They did say Standard would consist of cars from GT4 and premium would be created from scratch.

August 18, GamesCom, held in Cologne, Germany: Gran Turismo 5 has been announced! Here is the latest information on the game design.

■ models included
1,000 vehicles
170 Premium new models (full interior modeling, the interior corresponds to vehicle damage)
830 kinds of standard model (some are from Gran Turismo 4 that have been carried over to GT5

That was never a solid announcement. That was a leaked document that was quickly taken down, and only ever translated from Japanese. I know, I was one of several people who worked on the translations. Whether it represented solid information on the game or not was always in question. We know it now to be accurate, but at the time we didn't.

Likewise information that was released regarding GTHD. We're so far past a release date for anything that could have been considered a derivative of GTHD that the information really has little worth any more. You can make the argument that features to be included in GTHD will *probably* be in GT5 as well, but after such a long time it's by not means a sure thing.

 

[VXR]

I can see there being quite a lot of noise made if GT mode is Premium only and then there's 800 standard cars secondary to the main game.

All through the five years, they've been attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's terrible PR on Sony's behalf, seriously.

 

[Goshin2568]

They already did. Look at GTHD and look at the E3 2009 flyer or what was it, that had all the features of GT5 listed. The 830/170 standard/premium has been known for over a year and even more than 3 years counting GTHD. It was the fault of those who haven't followed GT5 closely for the past 5 years, like myself, and those who decided to ignore the news, for this being a bigger deal that it should be.

Standard and Premium in and of itself is not bad news. The bad news is the poor quality of Standard, and the supposed lack of interior view. What Imari was saying (I think) was that if they announce something terrible, and then come back with something acceptable, then PR wise, it looks much better than annoucing something acceptable in the first place.

So basically, if they say "Oh, well these cars will be about what you would see in other gen games, except for 200, which will actually be something new." Then everyone would be like "Man, why couldn't they have just went above and beyond on everything." BAD PR

But, if they say "These cars will be graphically optomized GT4 cars" and let that sit, and then say later "Oh, nevermind, they will be on par with other current gen games" Then, everyone will praise them as heroes. GOOD PR

Now, is PD that smart? Who knows, but all we can do is hope that this is their ingenious plan, and maybe some good news will come out of it after all.

 

[Luminis]

They held a lot of info back so far why not hold back this info? First of all you base your theiory on that they didnt attend the break out session and now you are saying they are lieing. Anyway heres a link.

http://insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=2093&p=15621#p15635 - Post #4

I never commented on what they attented or didn't attend, all I was saying was that, so far, there hasn't been a demo version of GT5 that included standard cars. Or at least, it wasn't available to the public.

Remember when they had that interview with that Chris guy? How he didn't want to talk about all kinds of stuff because PD was 'focusing on the release date' or something along those lines? If you keep all of that in mind, watch the standard car trailer an let it roll trough your head for a little bit, it starts to seem more and more unlikely that all of what the guys from insidesimracing said was reliable info.

Funnily enough, though, that people value what insidesimracing said higher than what they've seen so far, but from what I read, are totally ignoring the info they gave us about GT5's physics. Them being closer to Forza's then Prologue's, specifically.

Actually though, if they have to break the bad news of 800 low grade cars, how are they best to go about it? A simple announcement of what they have which is an acceptable level? People would still bitch and moan and feel ripped off. Or announce a lower level and then a month later come back with "actually guys, it's not as bad as you thought"? If they announce Prologue levels of detail on the 800 now they'll be hailed as the saviours of the universe.

That would, of course, be a possibility. Then again, when was the last time that PD anounced something and exceeded everyone's expectations?

You know, I'm thinking about 'weather' in GT3, for example.

But maybe it's just me and the attitude I'm aproaching PD's statements (and products) with:
Expect the worst, hope for the best.

I can see there being quite a lot of noise made if GT mode is Premium only and then there's 800 standard cars secondary to the main game.

I guess that the uproar will be just as big if GT Mode consists of both standard an premium cars. I'd say that there are just as many people out there who don't want the cars to mix as there are people who'd want all the cars in the main game.

 

[eSZee]

Standard and Premium in and of itself is not bad news. The bad news is the poor quality of Standard, and the supposed lack of interior view.

If there was no quality difference and cockpit for both or neither, then the models would be the same. Therefore no need for premium/standard.

 

[steve30x]

I never commented on what they attented or didn't attend, all I was saying was that, so far, there hasn't been a demo version of GT5 that included standard cars. Or at least, it wasn't available to the public.

Remember when they had that interview with that Chris guy? How he didn't want to talk about all kinds of stuff because PD was 'focusing on the release date' or something along those lines? If you keep all of that in mind, watch the standard car trailer an let it roll trough your head for a little bit, it starts to seem more and more unlikely that all of what the guys from insidesimracing said was reliable info.

Funnily enough, though, that people value what insidesimracing said higher than what they've seen so far, but from what I read, are totally ignoring the info they gave us about GT5's physics. Them being closer to Forza's then Prologue's, specifically.


That would, of course, be a possibility. Then again, when was the last time that PD anounced something and exceeded everyone's expectations?

You know, I'm thinking about 'weather' in GT3, for example.

But maybe it's just me and the attitude I'm aproaching PD's statements (and products) with:
Expect the worst, hope for the best.

I guess that the uproar will be just as big if GT Mode consists of both standard an premium cars. I'd say that there are just as many people out there who don't want the cars to mix as there are people who'd want all the cars in the main game.

They have played an E³ demo. All of the demos that PD used to show off the game so far featured premium cars only. Hence, insidesimracing's claims about the standard cars are (most likely) baseless assumptions.
Stating stuff like that to be fact makes them even less credible, in my opinion

Not according to this post.

 

[Devedander]

If there was no quality difference and cockpit for both or neither, then the models would be the same. Therefore no need for premium/standard.

Well technically there is still damage modeling...