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RE: Seeing the Camaro

I've yet to see one on the streets, but as I've heard, only one of the local dealers has received one yet. Berger Chevrolet has a few coming some time this week, apparently. However, the first 12 they're getting have all been spoken for. According to them, it may not be until May that they'd have readily available "retail" models for me to look at, and drive.
 
Philly
Apparently it's quickly going down the drain too...
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I sure hope it doesn't die completely, even if muscle cars only become limited run special models, so long as they're around still.:nervous:
 
Sorry for the double post, but I only just found this Motor Trend test.
Niiiiice!
 
Is this the Camaro thread? I forget. Apparently it's awesomeness has worn off.

I just got my new issue of Car and Driver here about 10 minutes before I started typing this, and well, it made me want to type this. This is the article in question.

Huzzah, everyone, the Camaro V6 beat the Hyundai G-Coupe V6! Americans rejoice!

No. Don't rejoice. The Camaro beat the G by 1 point, 203 to 202. Why? Because it has a smoother ride, of course. No seriously, that's what their chart says. It has a smoother ride, and therefore it wins, even though it lost all performance tests except the one about where the manufacturer decided to put the speed governor.

The Camaro is a car of compromises. Yes, it's about a thousand dollars cheaper, but it weighs 400 pounds more. But if a smooth ride is what matters to you, go ahead and take your one point down to the dealership and snag yourself a Camaro V6. It's by far the better car.

Last but not least, I'd like to thank Car and Driver for selling out and going out of their way to give a bankrupt company something to brag about in all those car ads that they can't afford to place anymore. Too bad GM's journey hasn't been as smooth as the Camaro's ride.
 
This was their comparison to the Genesis 3.8, right? I saw the video a week or two ago, and I was disappointed. No, I was not cheering for the Camaro to win. Yes, they compete in the same neighborhood, but they're two different approaches to a somewhat similar idea. Although, its nothing big to get worked up about. These are the same guys who picked the BMW M3 over the GT-R and 911 Turbo.

(Then again, I probably would have too)
 
I guess I did get a little bit worked up. But I personally wouldn't even consider these two cars in the same context. Much like I can't imagine cross-shopping a Mustang GT and a 370Z, I wouldn't do it for the Camaro and G either. I've got nothing against the Camaro as it is, but it's just a different kind of car than the G and I don't think it belongs in the same comparison.

Normally C&D is my favorite of all the mags, but with this particular test it seems they went too far to prop up the Camaro, going as far as to say it "beats" a car with a vastly more performance-oriented goal.
 
I do agree, there was a big of flag-waving throughout, and it seems like I remember them even breaking the fourth wall and acknowledging it. Normally, C&D doesn't do it (MT, you should be ashamed), which is normally why its so surprising.

Maybe if it was a Camaro SS, it would have made a bit more sense. But even then, not really. Its like putting Brock Lesner up against BJ Penn. Yeah, they can both kick a lot of ass, but they do it in very different ways.
 
Keef
Is this the Camaro thread? I forget. Apparently it's awesomeness has worn off.

I just got my new issue of Car and Driver here about 10 minutes before I started typing this, and well, it made me want to type this. This is the article in question.

Huzzah, everyone, the Camaro V6 beat the Hyundai G-Coupe V6! Americans rejoice!

No. Don't rejoice. The Camaro beat the G by 1 point, 203 to 202. Why? Because it has a smoother ride, of course. No seriously, that's what their chart says. It has a smoother ride, and therefore it wins, even though it lost all performance tests except the one about where the manufacturer decided to put the speed governor.

The Camaro is a car of compromises. Yes, it's about a thousand dollars cheaper, but it weighs 400 pounds more. But if a smooth ride is what matters to you, go ahead and take your one point down to the dealership and snag yourself a Camaro V6. It's by far the better car.

Last but not least, I'd like to thank Car and Driver for selling out and going out of their way to give a bankrupt company something to brag about in all those car ads that they can't afford to place anymore. Too bad GM's journey hasn't been as smooth as the Camaro's ride.
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Thank you for posting what needs to be posted. +"air" rep. It disgusts me when C&D shows their clearly biased colors. At least some publications across the globe won't kid around and just say what they really think.

The Camaro vs the Gen Coupe is a no brainer for me, I'll take the lighter better looking car. That's the Gen Coupe. The Camaro is a let down to me, I'd almost rather have a V6 Mustang with some GT bodywork than the new Camaro. Plus GM is not getting my money on a new car ever again, they killed Pontiac they are dead to me for new cars.

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After reading this I have decided to wait and let TopGear review this--which will probably be Hamster or Capt. Slow. C&D are obviously wrong on how the car must feel--I won't accept their...
Second, although Hyundai’s manual six-speed shifter offers short and direct throws, the clutch is too heavy and, worse, the driveline and engine aren’t talking to each other. The transmission is overeager to bind, wind up, and snatch if the driver too quickly tips in or out of the throttle. It’s annoying to have your head snap with every shift. No car should actively resist a driver’s attempts at smoothness. At the very least, this trait must be introducing needless shock to the gear teeth and half-shafts.
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..BS. I can't take the word of a magazine that awards a winner to a car that is obviously inferior.

We cycled through five Camaro V-6s before eventually settling on a test car: an LT with leather and 19-inch Pirellis. Although the base LS would have saved us $1635, we didn’t care for its cloth seats, whose overly soft cushions were wadding and bunching after only a couple days’ use. Neither were we crazy about the base 18-inch rubber, which slightly degraded the otherwise crisp turn-in and added to some minor on-center steering slop.
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Are you kidding me? You cycled through FIVE cars to find one that comes as close as possible to the Gen Coupe? And it still lost--yes the Camaro lost. That one point is rubbish.
 
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Actually, the Camaro vs. Genesis tests was only close because of the "Gotta-Have-it" factor.

Granted, I'd take an M3 over the GT-R, but... I wouldn't invent a supposedly objective scoring system to bolster my choice... only to over-ride the test score in the end by using fudge factors.

That particular bit of skullduggery seems influenced by the fact that whenever C&D use a ranked scoring system, the wrong car wins. Why they don't just go the EVO or Autocar way and use purely subjective scoring is beyond me. :lol:
 
I for some reason never liked the new Camaro, this is wierd as it's based of my favorite Camaro the 67'
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Toronado
I'm starting to wonder how much of these reactions to the Camaro's apparent awfulness are actually due to hype backlash.
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In my opinion hyping anything is usually going to backfire, but then I'm a pretty humble guy. The only cars that deserve hype like that are...the ZR1 maybe, the ACR, etc. Cars that actually are all that and a bag of chips. Sure, the Camaro is special to GM, but it's a bread and butter car, just like the Mustang and Challenger. They've been done before. But it's not often you see a ZR1 show up and rip faces off.

I hope Ford doesn't go overboard with the Fiesta hype. Viral stuff on the internet is cool, but when it makes the national news it's a bit much.
 
I think a lot of the hype around the Camaro had been that it was a substantially good car, and it is, for the most part. The problem is that in the rush for development and those a-hole beancounters, a lot of the "good" we were promised ended up being nixed at the last minute. Hype does a lot to build up a car to completely unreasonable levels, the Camaro has suffered from it. But I also see this as a glass half full/empty situation, depending on your overall view of the car and the company that has produced it.

RE: The Fiesta Hype

I'm not sure if its really there. I mean, there is the whole internet campaign, but most of the magazines have already "reviewed" the car already - and the liked it (a lot). If it isn't hype, perhaps, its more or less anticipation for what is eventually coming. We know its good, we know there is a market for it, so we want it now, not at the end of the year. If it were a brand-new car, never seen anywhere before, yeah, hype would be a problem.

...Which goes back to the Camaro, I suppose...
 
Truth be told, I haven't seen much with the Fiesta, at least, enough to suggest that Joe Assemblyline knows much about it yet.

But the Camaro? It was one of the major characters in a movie about giant transforming robots. While the car was still a CONCEPT, losh sakes...
 
Sounds like Motor Trend gives a legitimate review. Commenting on both cars in both negative and positve. And--rightly so--the Gen Coupe won. I want one badly now, and I'll likely never get one since the US economy isn't getting better in enough time for me to be able to appreciate a new car purchase. I'll just finish my Camaro project and drive it to work (albeit sideways :D). :lol:

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The recalls have started!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19387179/detail.html
 
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I'm actually quite impressed: they saw that one and got right on it. Granted, they didn't see it until the first few got out the factory door, but they got it before it caused major problems.
 
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I'm actually quite impressed: they saw that one and got right on it. Granted, they didn't see it until the first few got out the factory door, but they got it before it caused major problems.
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Agreed, seems like most recalls are for 50,000 cars, not 300.
 
When they have a few coming back on tow trucks after 300 sold to public it doesn't take much to figure out a recall is required, especially for such a quick and easy fix such as this.
 
We had our big Camaro event on Wednesday here in Grand Rapids, and as of this morning, I've seen at least one out on the road. It appeared to be a basic SS, in yellow, but I was speeding by the bank too quick to see. The owner parked it like an a-hole though, across three spots at the outer edge of the parking lot.

The 2010 Mustangs have arrived too, our local dealer having two that I looked at this afternoon. The Ford definitely gets the tip in the interior department, it is leagues better, but I'd rather have the Camaro engineering package. And once again, Fox Ford never fails to disappoint - both of the 2010 Mustangs are fully-loaded GTs with slushboxes (one a coupe, the other a convertible).
 
There are always dealerships around like that, this is not a reflection on GM at all but I always wished the car makers had some more control over dealer networks.
 
Leonidae
that would had been all over the forums as well if such had happened, you know..
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Only if the owner knew about it. Seriously that kind of thing happens all the time will all sorts of cars, it doesn't matter what brand or make it is. There was a guy back in high school who's dad owned the local Chrysler dealership and he brought various Vipers to different school functions with dealer plates on them all the time.

You really need to give it up since your Camaro bashing is rather pathetic.
 
Bashing? um, I like the car, I really do, especially the V6 RS model. I think your definition of bashing is rather unforgiving.
 
Really? Really? REALLY?

Was it not you that posted this thread about the Camaro's problems? I believed you called them a tactical face palm.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=116343

And then all of your "bashing" was debunked by Jondot. I don't think my definition of bashing is really that far off to tell you the truth, at least not with what you have shown the community here. If liking something means nitpicking and searching for problems then maybe I'm missing what the term "liking" something means.

I'll tell you right now I don't like the new Camaro as all, but I'm not going to unfairly bash it.

And as I've said that dealer did not do anything any other dealer would do, and as Jay V point out this is no reflection on GM.
 
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