GT Academy National Finals - Venues, Dates, Drivers & Discussion Thread

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MeAgainstYou
i can't handle with foreigner that just registered to come here to say things like that about a friend of us, can you!?... :ouch:

@mikifaca1: your thoughts might hurt people.. and you're not free to say whatever you want/think in the community!
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I am not hurting anyone here, so that is clear.
From what you say here, you mean that Ocer_FI doesnt deserve victory.
Doesn`t that hurt him...?

I am not taking parts on anyones sides here, just honestly.

I am saying you just once again, you were not there and you have nothing to say specially that somebody is clown or something like that.You hurt also people. You should check the scandinavian top 20 and you can see if i was there or not, before you begin to talk anything against me.
 
I 'think' we should see some kind of evidence before jumping to conclusions. My G25 is bolted to my wheelstand, I'd have to pull it pretty damn hard - break it in fact - to get it loose. If the G27's they were using weren't bolted on, then I'd have to ask 'why the hell not?'
 
I don't know,
it's like everything around GT is becoming a joke..
The inconsistency in the national finals,
no news in like a month or so...
I don't know.. feels like Gran Turismo is burried without being born.
 
RUFin
I think this is excactly what happened,even if other 'insiders' feel differently.
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so.. explain why his wheel was jumping before the crash!? just watch the video...

mikifaca1
From what you say here, you mean that Ocer_FI doesnt deserve victory.
Doesn`t that hurt him...?
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you're wrong about that! in fact here stays my congratulations to Ocer_FI for his victory... ;)

as you think too much about what others think (you just proved it again with me) i'm done with you.. cya
 
Hi all,

First of all thanks everyone for the congratulations! I was very happy to win the Dutch event and actually it was the only good point of the whole day... Owh and of course the people that I met, getting to know them and having a nice after-party diner with about 15 of them! Awesome, they made the day for me because Sony and Nissan did NOT!

Its a disgrace from such companies to organize such a bad event. I can truly say that it was by far the worst of every country... Location was bad, ambiance was bad, there was no decent food to get (only a few snacks) but to drive a day long you need a few good sandwiches! There were no chairs to sit on, it was damn boring... It just sucks!

At the beginning of the day we got to hear the most dissapointing thing ever: driving in GT5 Prologue! I mean how can you think of that letting us drive in a GT5 demo and time trail and going back 3 years to a game which feels 'old' now to me! Doing time trails a day long got me really sleepy. My biggest surprise was that everybody just accepted it, I was the only one that went mad against the organizers and I didnt want to drive but I needed to think about my position, winning and defending my title no matter what happens. Also its a shame we only drove a GT-R Proto! PROTO!!! I thought the whole show was about a 370Z? FAIL SONY A BIG FAIL!!!

And the lies about not having a internet connection, having lag issues with the demo in other countries (not heared of it), cheating, bumping bla bla bla LIES... I mean in the end they decided to do this because they just failed and didnt want to judge because they couldnt! All those guys didnt knew enough of GT5 or decent racing rules. So take the easy way and dissapoint the drivers and their supporters.

Well I just had my own suprise waiting: I won but the rumor got spread that I could not go to Silverstone. And yes they were not happy about it because it ruined the show for the media (writing about my win but I cant go to Silverstone). Its my payback for all this: Getting the date of the finals way too late, organizing a very bad event AND not admitting that they were wrong... And I cant go because of an emergency operation that was planned on the 11th. I had to move it a week before the 11th otherwise I couldnt go but the hospital most early date is 24th of February so I cant go to Silverstone and if I dont do the operation Silverstone tests are impossible to do for me in this condition... So my brother will go

I think if the other countries have done their finals in the GT5 demo the Dutch finals arent elegible. Its just another competition and the key thing in the finals was: Racing and not time trailing. We can all do our fast laps but racing against eachother in a fast and fair way THAT is the skill required to go to Silverstone.

After all that has happened in me and my brothers life in the last week it is truly amazing to get a double win. Believe me! Congratulations to him and have a good time in Silverstone bro!

Grtz Eric
 
DGiant2000
I 'think' we should see some kind of evidence before jumping to conclusions. My G25 is bolted to my wheelstand, I'd have to pull it pretty damn hard - break it in fact - to get it loose. If the G27's they were using weren't bolted on, then I'd have to ask 'why the hell not?'
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I totally agree with you. The best thing is to see the evidence on some kind of video if it is possible.
What I told here is based on what I saw there and I dont say that it is right, not at all.
What also maybe happend is that before every race timppaq was adjusting the steering wheel and maybe he didnt fastened it very well, that was also maybe the reason. Once again I am not saying that this is correct.

MeAgainstYou
so.. explain why his wheel was jumping before the crash!? just watch the video...



you're wrong about that! in fact here stays my congratulations to Ocer_FI for his victory... ;)

as you think too much about what others think (you just proved it again with me) i'm done with you.. cya
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I am not going to discuss with you any more either. It seems like you are the smartest here.
I may be also blind because you probably see better from portugal than I see it from 2 meter away from me.
 
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mikifaca1
I totally agree with you. The best thing is to see the evidence on some kind of video if it is possible.
What I told here is based on what I saw there and I dont say that it is right, not at all.
What also maybe happend is that before every race timppaq was adjusting the steering wheel and maybe he didnt fastened it very well, that was also maybe the reason. Once again I am not saying that this is correct.
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After reading your posts all I see is "I think" and "maybe" :lol:

Timo is best off giving us a description of what happened.
 
mikifaca1
I totally agree with you. The best thing is to see the evidence on some kind of video if it is possible.
What I told here is based on what I saw there and I dont say that it is right, not at all.
What also maybe happend is that before every race timppaq was adjusting the steering wheel and maybe he didnt fastened it very well, that was also maybe the reason. Once again I am not saying that this is correct.
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Well if you were there, you probably have a reasonable idea, I guess we'll know when Timo fills us in.

@ May, I know you're upset buddy but I think you may have misinterpreted what Mikiface is saying, he's just giving his opinion on what he thinks happened from what he saw, not belittling Timo. We know you weren't saying that the winner didn't deserve it.

I still maintain that fault with the rig or Timo pulling it too hard, it should have been fixed down better with the boltholes in the bottom, it's seriously difficult to shift when it is.
 
mikifaca1
I am not going to discuss with you any more either. It seems like you are the smartest here.
I may be also blind because you probably see better from portugal than I see it from 2 meter away from me.
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Double posting huh?! You posted something you THINK it happened! And you talk like that? Like you actually saw it? ok...

EDIT: :lol: TA i was 30 seconds late
 
If you watch the video closely you can see that the wheel assembly was loose right from the start, Also you will see that Timo took longer to regain the track after the spin because he was trying to tighten the rig back down.

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nah... "I think" he thought.. "well im in fisrt position and i'll pull the steering wheel really hard towards me to crash and lose the final"... thats a big laugh... :lol:

thats sad to hear Eric.. good luck to your bro then :cheers:
 
What the hell was that?????? A bad joke?? Nice judged:dunce: and nice organisation :dunce:...

I was thinking of going there next year but after seeing all of this circus??! No thanks Sony! Training hard to get there and get robed? But hey dont worry... ill buy your game! Thats the most important thing right Sony/PD?



EDIT: My opinion: GT Academy = Farce
 
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RUFin
I think this is excactly what happened,even if other 'insiders' feel differently.
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I also totally agree with you.
I am neutral here and doesnt take any parts, I dont care who wins or lose because I dont know either of them personally. As you said there is some insiders here who are on timppaqs side while I dont care who wins, I am neutral.

It seems like the steering wheel may me loose a little bit before crash. But after the crash it becomes even more looser. As you also can see in video approxametely about 2.30-2.32 when he crashes he pulls the steering wheel hard towards him without reason just beacuse of the frustration at that moment.
 
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IRT_SolarSystem
Hi all,

First of all thanks everyone for the congratulations! I was very happy to win the Dutch event and actually it was the only good point of the whole day... Owh and of course the people that I met, getting to know them and having a nice after-party diner with about 15 of them! Awesome, they made the day for me because Sony and Nissan did NOT!

Its a disgrace from such companies to organize such a bad event. I can truly say that it was by far the worst of every country... Location was bad, ambiance was bad, there was no decent food to get (only a few snacks) but to drive a day long you need a few good sandwiches! There were no chairs to sit on, it was damn boring... It just sucks!

At the beginning of the day we got to hear the most dissapointing thing ever: driving in GT5 Prologue! I mean how can you think of that letting us drive in a GT5 demo and time trail and going back 3 years to a game which feels 'old' now to me! Doing time trails a day long got me really sleepy. My biggest surprise was that everybody just accepted it, I was the only one that went mad against the organizers and I didnt want to drive but I needed to think about my position, winning and defending my title no matter what happens. Also its a shame we only drove a GT-R Proto! PROTO!!! I thought the whole show was about a 370Z? FAIL SONY A BIG FAIL!!!

And the lies about not having a internet connection, having lag issues with the demo in other countries (not heared of it), cheating, bumping bla bla bla LIES... I mean in the end they decided to do this because they just failed and didnt want to judge because they couldnt! All those guys didnt knew enough of GT5 or decent racing rules. So take the easy way and dissapoint the drivers and their supporters.

Well I just had my own suprise waiting: I won but the rumor got spread that I could not go to Silverstone. And yes they were not happy about it because it ruined the show for the media (writing about my win but I cant go to Silverstone). Its my payback for all this: Getting the date of the finals way too late, organizing a very bad event AND not admitting that they were wrong... And I cant go because of an emergency operation that was planned on the 11th. I had to move it a week before the 11th otherwise I couldnt go but the hospital most early date is 24th of February so I cant go to Silverstone and if I dont do the operation Silverstone tests are impossible to do for me in this condition... So my brother will go

I think if the other countries have done their finals in the GT5 demo the Dutch finals arent elegible. Its just another competition and the key thing in the finals was: Racing and not time trailing. We can all do our fast laps but racing against eachother in a fast and fair way THAT is the skill required to go to Silverstone.

After all that has happened in me and my brothers life in the last week it is truly amazing to get a double win. Believe me! Congratulations to him and have a good time in Silverstone bro!

Grtz Eric
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Very touching mate. I won't ask details of the op...but nice your bro is going.

Brock, I'll quote you tomorow once I'm sober. Not wanting to start an argue...I'd bet we'd be better off with a Skype chat haha!
 
mikifaca1
If you see the video which is posted here than you can see that steering wheel moves together with the metal back, and it is not loose.
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Would you like me to slow the video down so can see more clearly the wheel lifting away from the "metal back"?
 
Well there goes the neighbourhood ... how quickly the tone has changed on this forum. As much as no-one likes it, the closer we get to real motor racing the more luck comes into it and the more heartbreak there will be for the top drivers.

I've watched enough F1 races to know that winning certainly requires skill but also requires a car to run the distance without mechanical failure, the good grace of the weather (anyone remember that Adelaide Grand Prix where the cars were aquaplaning off the track) and the slower drivers not taking out the faster drivers by accident.

Particularly here where the difference between the best and worst is mere fractions of seconds it is not going to take much going wrong to win or lose a race. Also consider that the cost of running this whole event is not insignificant and while some were done better than others that is always going to be the case (anyone remember why they stopped doing F1 at Nurburgring).

I'm sure Sony/PD will learn as much from this as we did and will improve going forward but at the end of the day there are things we can't change so the focus should be on supporting the drivers who made it through and maybe offering a beer in commiseration to the ones who didn't.

I'll get off my soapbox now :-)
 
new_soul
technical failures hapen in racing, thats a thing every racer in every competition will be confronted.

in this case nobody expected this to hapen, im sorry for Timppaq, i dont think it was unfair to keep racing, in the end this is a competition where the winer will be racing real cars and may have all kind of technical problems, and even more dramatic race or championship decidind tecnical problems.

it all comes unexpected, but it is a part of racing..
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right.....
It was equipment malfunction due to poor installation. Not his fault. In a race, your steering wheel won't come off the steering column. It should've been restarted.
 
Before the final he had two almost spinning out and tried to recovery the car with agressive steering. I who drived beside him could hear noises from sterreing wheel with my headset on.

Timpaqq was always on the same place and used the same wheel through whole competition and all these agressive steering from him as on the same wheel.That happened in final too. The final track is very long and with his agressive steering wheel he pulls the wheel out always by millimeters and at some point the wheel gets unstable. I also have g27 and once the wheel is not totally in to the table it is not stable any longer. That is what happend here, he was aggressive and pulled out the wheel little by little. We could also see that the judge man tried to repair the wheel to timppaq by screw those two screwer on both sides on the wheel. But it didnt help a lot because the wheel was already too away back from metal and it was nothing to get fastened it on longer.no grip for the wheel from table.

I agree that timppaq is one of the best drivers in the world in gran turismo, and the ranking proves it. All I have to say is that I think he is to agressive with the steering wheel. I know that timpaqq is best driver on this forum and of course everyone supports him and feel sorry for him.
 
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mikifaca1
We could also see that the judge man tried to repair the wheel to timppaq by screw those two screwer on both sides on the wheel. But it didnt help a lot because the wheel was already too away back from metal and it was nothing to get fastened it on longer.no grip for the wheel from table.
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Because the problem couldn't be fixed, as you've clearly stated, it should've resulted in the race being stopped, repairs carried out to the wheel and then the race restarted with an adjusted grid.

Timpaq's agressive driving in earlier races is irrelevant, in fact, his aggressive driving style is irrelevant, period.

I still find it laughable for a steward to attempt a repair in-race as if it's some unimportant LAN party.


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mikifaca1, please stop double posting. Use the edit button.
 
Sphinx
Because the problem couldn't be fixed, as you've clearly stated, it should've resulted in the race being stopped, repairs carried out to the wheel and then the race restarted with an adjusted grid.

Timpaq's agressive driving in earlier races is irrelevant, in fact, his aggressive driving style is irrelevant, period.

I still find it laughable for a steward to attempt a repair in-race as if it's some unimportant LAN party.
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We can discuss if it should be restarted or not but it is up to judges to decide.It was actually planned to stop the race and he said restart loud but the another judge said that it should be continued.
 
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mikifaca1
It was actually planned to stop the race and he said restart loud but the judge said that it should be continued because he probably saw the aggressive driving from timppaq and it was his own fault. Everyone know that the wheel is not built by titanium and you have to have feelings when you drive.
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You don't know what the judges were thinking, yet you twist things around to suit your own opinion. In truth, you don't know the reason why the race wasn't stopped. Correct?
 
mikifaca1
We can discuss if it should be restarted or not but it is up to judges to decide.It was actually planned to stop the race and he said restart loud but the another judge said that it should be continued because he probably saw the aggressive driving from timppaq and it was his own fault. Everyone know that the wheel is not built by titanium and you have to have feelings when you drive.

I know that timppaq is going to disagree with me but that is how it is. It is like to say that you are best driver if you have best lap time but it is the one who finishes first in race who is best.Everyone is looking on the winner and not the one who has the best lap time.
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Well i'm sure we will hear to see what he has to say.

I'm sure he has a wheel at home, and i'm guessing that his wheel doesn't come loose all the time like that.

With hindsight I bet he regrets not checking to make sure the wheel was fastened properly before the race. But that should be down to the Stewards to enable fair competition.
 
Sphinx
You don't know what the judges were thinking, yet you twist things around to suit your own opinion. In truth, you don't know the reason why the race wasn't stopped. Correct?
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You must not twist my words around here. I am tired of all here who talks and twist my words around which I didnt told(meant). I didnt say that I know what judges were thinking, I only said that they probably saw what was happening.

When we discuss this it seems like i have something against timppaq, but after second round I went to him and wished him good luck in the final and I really wanted him to win and I said it to him.

I dont know why people talk so much and support someone even though they dont know nothing of what happend there. You all take this too serious like if all are brothers here. We have to be objective and fair.

It seems like he has agressive style when he is driving and surely he should dobble checked his wheel.
 
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The problem is not who it happened to, or even how it happened for that matter. The problem is that it happened period.

The event organizer was responsible for providing the equipment, and it is that equipment that failed, with reasonable use, effecting the outcome. I've bolted my wheel down, as have most serious racers I know, to prevent just that from happening. It is a foreseeable circumstance, and it the responsibility for that foresight to be had by those who provide the equipment. In this case, the driver is relying on the organizer for that equipment, not himself or his team. There is a small amount of blame that can be laid on the driver, in hindsight, because anyone who has used just the clamps should know that slippage is a risk, and he should have been tightening clamps between races... In Hindsight... but if the wheel didn't exhibit any slippage through multiple runs, then it's also a smart approach to take a 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' mentality.
 
mikifaca1
You must not twist my words around here. I am tired of all here who talks and twist my words around which I didnt told. I didnt say that I know what judges were thinking, I only said that they probably saw what was happening.
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probably - with considerable certainty; without much doubt; "He is probably out of the country"; "in all likelihood we are headed for war"
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You have stated on more than one occasion that you have nothing against Timo. We get the picture. 👍

You can't expect to register here with the sole intention of giving your view and not expect anyone to question those views, especially if you include "I think", "maybe" and "probably" for example.

You also contradict yourself:

What also maybe happend is that before every race timppaq was adjusting the steering wheel and maybe he didnt fastened it very well, that was also maybe the reason.
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Same here with his agressive driving he should have checked wheel more often before every race.
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Which is the correct one?
 
mikifaca1
I only said that they probably saw what was happening.
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Maybe that's what you want to say, but that's not what you're writing here.

mikifaca1
We can discuss if it should be restarted or not but it is up to judges to decide.It was actually planned to stop the race and he said restart loud but the another judge said that it should be continued because he probably saw the aggressive driving from timppaq and it was his own fault. Everyone know that the wheel is not built by titanium and you have to have feelings when you drive.
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you can't keep mixing facts with opinions. You said one judge wanted to stop but another said no, FACT, followed by because probably it was aggressive driving. You keep digging a deeper hole because you're trying to make your opinions sound like what actually happened.
 

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