Your views on cars, modifying, hardparkers and the lot

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I'm sick and tired of seeing the imports thread literally get flooded with crap, so since many of you atleast like to talk the talk, you can do it here instead of ruining a perfectly good thread (even though that's how it's done around here) :)

I'm gonna start by saying I've got racing coilovers on a car I never take to a track, and I enjoy being a "hardparker" :D
 
Urban Dictionary
Hardparker

Noun, derived from the verb hardparking. One who has all manner of track and race modifications on his/her car, yet never goes to the track or auto-x.
"Jim's 325is with the M-tech body kit and Moton coil-overs and Turner sway bars, and that finned diff cover on the 3.23 LSD from Bob's totaled '99 M3, and the roll cage with fire supression system, and the 3.5" HFM and all his shizz under the hood is so hot right now."

"Yeah, dude, too bad he's a hardparker, if he learned how to drive that car would kill at the auto-x."


I like modified cars.
 
Good idea, though lets hope we don't descend into flame war territory.

My views, in a nutshell:

I like modified cars as a general rule. I don't like bodykits, though I make exceptions. I don't like bling (or 'VIP' modding). I do like actual race cars, and I do like race-inspired cars. I dislike people modifying rare special edition cars - such as Ford Racing Pumas or Impreza McRae editions.

I like Japanese imports (Hondas and Mazdas in particular), I like US muscle and hot rods, and I like some Euro-style, but I don't like stretched tyres or very low suspension. I like useable performance, and cars where the stance leaves roughly an equal gap 'twixt tyre and wheelarch all the way around, and where the very edge of the tyre is near as damnit exactly below the outer edge of the arch - this to me is a perfect stance (example here, no sucking up to other members intended).

I love watching cars being used hard on the track, but I have nothing whatsoever against "hard parked" cars. If someone wants to use performance parts and then do nothing but take it to shows, that's their call - at the end of the day, they've still likely created a fantastic looking performance car.

My favourite style of performance car above all others is what I think is known as "phantom" modifying - creating a performance car that the factory never made, but looks like an actual factory job, such as the car I've posted here. My ideal "phantom" would be a Civic ES sedan Type R based on the EP3 such as is the case with the coupe in the link I provided. Alternatively, I'd want an EM1/EK sedan Type R, or a Del Sol Type R, all of which would based on the EK9 Type R Civic and all would look like official factory models, preferably in Championship White.

I'm not keen on elitism in any area of modifying. We don't all share the same taste and it's true that some people do some pretty awful modifications, but I dislike the attitude of thinking you're better than someone else just because you can afford better parts.

I don't mind people referring to cars by model designations, and even engines, but when people start doing it with gearboxes, wheels, exhausts etc I think it starts getting a bit sad...
 
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I like cars tuned to go fast without parts bought from thieves. I don't care for "JDM", the "clean" look, the stock look, ect ect. If it was tuned with the mindset of taking it quicker and more efficiently around a track, chances are I probably like it.
 
Basically, what's been said here about cars modified for purposeful performance, rather than achieving a "look," that's my opinion on the matter.

I've said before that one of the best "stances" is that of a Tarmac Rally Car: not too low, not too high, just right for rough roads and streets while being absolutely uncompromising for performance.
 
I like modifications, if they're performance only. For example a wing should only be there if it produces genuine downforce. Wheels are slightly different but I only like lightweight racing style rims anyway.

And I don't think I have anything against 'hardparking' but I'd never do it myself, it seems a very vane thing.
 
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I have a problem with the "all show,no go" concept of building cars.Whether it be an Import tuner,classic American muscle,or classic anything for that matter.Why throw hundreds,thousands of dollars away at a car just to make it a "Wannabe" racer.Because you think it makes you look cool ? to be in with the crowd ?.

I am like the next guy in line,modifications are great,if they are purposeful,other than that your throwing money away.
 
Because you think it makes you look cool ?

Is that really a good reason to put someone down though? What's wrong with someone wanting to make their car look cool? Or for that matter, share their interest with and possibly gain the approval of others?

We wouldn't have as many threads about individuals' cars here on GTP if people didn't enjoy showing their car to other people, and we didn't enjoy reading about other peoples' cars.

Fair enough, many here seem to share similar interests (I can think of more than a handful of cars on this forum who's owners are clearly making performance modifications for stuff like Auto-X, but also make subtle changes to the looks of their cars) but I can guarantee that if someone came on here with a car that looked like something out of TF&TF, they'd get absolutely panned for it, regardless of whether the car was actually nicely built, they were actually a nice person, who typed immaculately and didn't use txt spk, wasn't arguementative, and always complemented others' cars.

One picture of their car on here and everyone would be saying how they should get rid of the stickers and bodykits, fit smaller wheels, lose the NOS bottle etc. There's a large difference between saying "it's not my personal style, but nice ride" and the oft-used attitude of panning someone's pride and joy and looking down on them because they've chosen to modify it differently from your own taste.
 
I've said before that one of the best "stances" is that of a Tarmac Rally Car: not too low, not too high, just right for rough roads and streets while being absolutely uncompromising for performance.

With cars I agree with this fully, I'm not a huge fan of slammed cars and I think your concept of a tarmac rally car is the best way to describe the way I like cars to be lowered. When it comes to trucks however, I like em on the ground :D.

I have a problem with the "all show,no go" concept of building cars.Whether it be an Import tuner,classic American muscle,or classic anything for that matter.Why throw hundreds,thousands of dollars away at a car just to make it a "Wannabe" racer.Because you think it makes you look cool ? to be in with the crowd ?

You do realise not everyone cares about speed right? I don't at all. Will I put some performance parts on my car? Ya maybe but they need to do more than just make the car go faster since it's a daily driver and a commuter. I will however put on parts that improve the usefulness and parts that I think make my car look better. I am not a want a be racer, I just want to make my car my own and give it a personal touch. I think it's rather daft to fault someone for that and you give off the elitist air that I absolutely hate about some modified vehicle owners

One picture of their car on here and everyone would be saying how they should get rid of the stickers and bodykits, fit smaller wheels, lose the NOS bottle etc. There's a large difference between saying "it's not my personal style, but nice ride" and the oft-used attitude of panning someone's pride and joy and looking down on them because they've chosen to modify it differently from your own taste.

When I'm at a car show and get talking to an owner of a car (because lets face it we are all car guys) I find something I like about his vehicle and compliment it even if I don't like the rest of it. Typically I'll say "I really like your rims" or "that's an awesome colour" or "damn that thing shines up nice". You are paying them a compliment but you aren't lying to them.

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As for how I think cars should be modified? I think they should be modified however the owners wants it to be. It's their time and money being invested in to it. If I like it I'll say so, if I don't I tend to keep my mouth shut or, like I said, find something I do like about the car. I don't care if it's all show and no go, I don't care if it's all go and no show, or even a mixture of the two.
 
I really hate how some people lump actual elitists and people who simply don't like the idea of supporting thieves in the same category when it comes to cars. Ignorance really is bliss, isn't it?
 
I really hate how some people lump actual elitists and people who simply don't like the idea of supporting thieves in the same category when it comes to cars. Ignorance really is bliss, isn't it?

I didn't lump them all in to the same category, please read what I wrote again.

Joey D
I think it's rather daft to fault someone for that and you give off the elitist air that I absolutely hate about some modified vehicle owners

And still what are you on about with thieves? Yes companies take other companies wheel designs, who cares, everyone knows they are knock offs and aren't going to be as good. Like you and most other have said, you get what you pay for, and I agree with that statement.
 
People that steal other people's work and sell it as their own. Their companies are run off stolen designs and engineering, and people who buy their stuff support them.(BTW I'm not just talking about wheels.) It's not difficult to figure out what I mean.


Yeah, you do get what you pay for though.👍

I'll fix my statement though:

Perfect Balance
I really hate how some people lump actual elitists and people who simply don't like the idea of supporting thieves in the same category when it comes to some modified cars.

My bad.
 
I decide what I think when I see the car, see the specs, etc.
I like cars to be used as they were intended to be used, but kept practical if needed.
Like homeforsummer, I dislike seeing modified special editions (and seeing limited production cars written-off, or in bad condition) and LOVE the majority of 'phantom' cars.
 
I enjoy racing my car in an autocross, and I also enjoy hanging out with buddies just talking and looking. There's a lot of a cars I like, and there's a lot of cars I like to make fun of. Then there's a lot of cars that I secretly do like but make fun of anyway because it's hilarious (DSM, I'm looking at YOU). I like cars that go fast in a straight line, cars that handle well, and even cars that don't do either, shown by my strange desire for a Suzuki SX4. Weird.

And I like a lot of styles, too. I like VIP cars, race cars, JDM cars, tuned dailys, DUB, donks, hot rods, dragsters, collector cars, all sorts of stuff. And of course I love drifting, if only for the shenanigans.

I like people that know a lot about cars because I can learn from them, and I like people that don't know a lot about cars because they might be able to learn from me. Gotta spread the love, know what I mean?

Yes, I'm a hypocrite sometimes, because a lot of the things I don't like are things I've done before. People who insist that one type of racing or tuning or drivetrain is just plain better than another without actually understanding unique characteristics of whatever thing they're arguing about, and refusing to be enlightened. I know, I'm sure I do that too, but I try to concede when I'm wrong and ask questions to know the real answers.

And on parts, I don't like it when people buy knockoff parts and proceed to pass them off as the original, or say that it's better than the original, unless it actually is of course. It drives me nuts when people dismiss the passion and work that has gone into designing high quality performance parts and instead go for the copy because "it's the same thing". Hey, if you're on a budget you're on a budget, and if it looks good it looks good, and if it works it works, but don't try to convince me that there's "no difference" when you don't have the engineering, custom-designed manufacturing processes, wind tunnel tests, or racing heritage to back it up.

And I'm not beyond copied parts. Password's PowerChamber air intakes started as a copy of a J's Racing intake that has been around for quite a long time and is pretty much the epitome of air intake design for cars like mine. But then Password had their own engineers take the principles used by J's and applied them to numerous other applications that have been crying out for top-shelf parts, from the Fit, to the Integra LS, to the S2000. And Passwords wide range of strut tower braces got their inspiration from a Carbing part, which in my opinion is pretty much the most solid stiffening aid ever designed for its particular application. Like the J's Racing intake, Carbing parts have been staples on Japanese race cars for a long time. So Password took this thing, cut it in half, and found a way to make it better. They used a different shape of aluminum extrusion to make the bars stiffer. Whether it works or not is debatable, but Password went out of their way to try and improve an already good design, instead of simply making a mold and selling a carbon copy to make a quick buck. Password has gotten so far with their carbon fiber business that they've made progress on a lineup of GT-R accessories, including a few body panels, intake snorkels, and even big fins for the rear diffuser to help control the air under the car and improve stability. On the other hand, maybe Rota will emerge as one of the innovators in future. After all, Hyundai now makes a luxury car that is good and cheap.

I don't necessarily like it when people spend all their money on these top of the line performance parts and then sit there and just show them off. It really irks me. But when I get to thinking about it a bit more, I suppose I can respect these parts for not only their performance, but their collectability. The small market for some of these wheels I've never heard of and never even seen can commands some very high prices, and they keep going up the rarer they get. It's always worth protecting an investment like that. At least they're on a car instead of sitting in a museum.

Btw, I probably flip flop on this stuff all the time without realizing it. I don't mind being called out if I do. :lol:

EDIT: Here's an example of my usually relaxed taste: I was at our usual Saturday night car meet last night, and I was talking with a guy who rocks an 800+ hp turbo 351-powered Mustang on the daily. My buddy with a slammed, camo-painted Civic joined us. We all get along and respect what each other has, but what we don't do is front our cars and abilities as something they're not. The Mustang runs 10s but only runs half the time, my tires stick like glue but they only last a driving season, and the dude with the camo is more of a man than any of us for rocking orange-painted Slipstreams on top of that.
 
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I envy people when they get the top of the line parts and talk about them. Though that I want some of those parts but I am trying to stay at my level and get the parts that are suitable for my level. Novice...
 
I think modified cars have, HAVE to have a theme, and they should really stick to them. working for a modified car magazine has really softened me, 4 years ago I would have damned anything that did not have 800 hp and went 2gs on the skid. Now, my visions has changed, and I've come to... not respect, but at least accept many of the styles I usually hated, but I really like cars that are well tought out and well executed, with a theme as I said, with no mix of parts that ruin the style or the purpose of the car being built.

Want to build a blinger? ok, just do it with a big flashy car and throw in a really cool set of wheels and some quality leather, not just some faux replica wheels and stuff. An off roadder? show me two diffs, not just one. Drag Car? I've seen hundreds without even a Posi rearend. Track car? OK, lets see 4 wheel discs at least. And no sound system like some i've sen too. And so on.

A theme, and sticking to it with all you've got will net cool results regardless of what you are trying to attain, and there will always be people that can get what you did and say "it's cool for what it is..."
 
Now, are you still a "hardparker" if a track is 150 miles away? And you WANT to go?
I thinks my friend is cause if he can afford all them parts, he could afford driving to a day at the track.
 
When I'm at a car show and get talking to an owner of a car (because lets face it we are all car guys) I find something I like about his vehicle and compliment it even if I don't like the rest of it. Typically I'll say "I really like your rims" or "that's an awesome colour" or "damn that thing shines up nice". You are paying them a compliment but you aren't lying to them.

I personally don't,when i see a generally good car with a tiny bit that's questionable,the whole concept gets ruined in my mind.
 
I personally don't,when i see a generally good car with a tiny bit that's questionable,the whole concept gets ruined in my mind.

It's more of me not wanting to be an ass to someone who put time and effort into their ride. Sure I find it questionable and probably don't like it but I don't really want to flat out tell someone their car fails. That's why I find something I like and comment on that, I could hate the rest of the vehicle but there is always something I find neat.
 
It's OK to be polite,but screw the effort if the result is questionable.
If you never tell them the car is fail,they are gonna keep failing.
 
It's OK to be polite,but screw the effort if the result is questionable.
If you never tell them the car is fail,they are gonna keep failing.
The problem being twofold:
  1. They would probably take it personally.
  2. Unless they are being tragically ironic, their opinion probably doesn't mesh with yours. See #1.
 
The problem being twofold:
  1. They would probably take it personally.
  2. Unless they are being tragically ironic, their opinion probably doesn't mesh with yours. See #1.

I see that everyday,they keep failing,and argue when they tell them the truth,always say they accept negative comments as positive,but still get angry later,hypocrites.
I used to be tolerate like that,but realized that's pointless,but again,being polite and shut up is the biggest thing i can do.
 
I see that everyday,they keep failing,and argue when they tell them the truth,always say they accept negative comments as positive,but still get angry later,hypocrites.
I used to be tolerate like that,but realized that's pointless,but again,being polite and shut up is the biggest thing i can do.

Hey a112, give the commas some breathing room will ya?
 
I've never heard the term "hardparking" but by the definition, I cant stand those kind of people. Why spend the $$ on performance parts, and not even see what they will do for you? Like one of my friends put a turbo on his car, but he refuses to take it to the track! WTF was the point of spending all that cash then? I guess I just dont get it.

I dont mind visual mods, as long as they are in good taste. Nothing wrong with making a car look better, even if its not completely functional. I just dont get why people like to hot-rod their engines, but dont care to see the performance out of it.
 
Here is a bit problem with the track part since there is only one track in Croatia :) ,and it's bloody expensive.

Personally,hot roding my engine,and don't care to see performance.
I don't care about figures,feeling and ideals are important.
 
Why spend the $$ on performance parts, and not even see what they will do for you? Like one of my friends put a turbo on his car, but he refuses to take it to the track! WTF was the point of spending all that cash then? I guess I just dont get it.
Some people do it to make the car more usable.
 
IMO, I think there's a difference in buying the "best" performance parts & buying parts intended for track use.

I personally want some of the higher quality parts of my car because I've seen what cheap parts can get you. Broken parts & no warranty. Am I hardparker? Maybe. I like it when I take my car to meets & track days, and have people ask about what I've got. But I do like to put the car on the track and see how what I've bought is doing.

My personal taste is a mix. I like to buy parts to run 'em, on the track & at the shows.
 
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