Round 2 Cancellation Notice

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I watched FixByWire's run of rome and he is the master of a corner. The left turn after the chicane and straitaway. Same with the left after the start/finish. I tried the out/in/out on both those turns and he walked away from me in both. I would be a car length behind him in both those turns, and it would look like I was gaining on him, then he would blow by me like I was dragging a bathtub behind me.

I'm new to this intense racing/time trial. Everyone is so good. I looked at the times nation wide for madrid and the first 150 people or more were from 1:38 thru 1:39. My best was 1:42.

At rome the same group were in the 1:05 range. Best I could ever do was high 1:06's. I think, with time, I could get in the 1:05's.

I started following Andre's ghost last night and started to show improvement. Never put it together in one lap, but I was close.

I started the competition Friday without following ghosts. They distract me if they're too close and they frustrate me if they're too far away. But not knowing how to race myself, following them was an education. I had watched them in the theater, which was an eye opener for me, but finally following his ghost last night(this morning early)has made me a better driver, or at least, shown me what I need to work on.

I just barely made it into this competition at national position 496. I knew I had my work cut out for me at this point, and that making it to one of the 16 positions would take a miracle, at the least ... I never did.

I now know there is a better way of taking a 90 degree corner (and maybe any, for all I know) than the classic OIO. The application of braking in a straight line, tapping the hb while jerking the wheel in the direction of turn, starting to drift, coasting, gradually releasing the break thru to the apex, and gradually accelerating out of the apex.

Someone correct me if I'm missing something here. Since racing is all about curves, and negotiating them at the fastest speed, this is something I'm sure all of you already know, but that I'm just finding out.

Andre seems to be a master at this. I'm going to practice the rome track with his ghost, and the madrid one too, until the competition begins again and maybe I'll find a little of that miracle. Thank you Andre!! and everyone else ... this is so much fun and yet so frustrating.
 
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Gee Wizzz, since there letting everyone move through to round 3 how about all of us who were in the top 512 of Rnd 1 (from #426 Nat.) that lived in the wrong part of the country ? ? ? ........ lol

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Do I need to say anymore :)
 
I with you on this Lefty. There was more than enough wall banging and off track shennanigans in round 1 to void this entire contest... but if we started over I probably still wouldn't make the cut.
 
For starters restart the whole thing. Time Trial system does work but with the amount of cheating that been going on even with a patch being made for the game i doubt that will stop it since they giving away a free pass to round 3 for all of round 2 players. How about making into a full race and if you missed your race time then you missed your race time.
 
chuyler1
I with you on this Lefty. There was more than enough wall banging and off track shennanigans in round 1 to void this entire contest... but if we started over I probably still wouldn't make the cut.
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I just think they could have been more creative w/ those who fell into the "slower then region 128 and within the top 512" group. It just sukz to be faulted by where you live and not your ability. Maybe we could have been some kind of reserve pool for anyone who got DQ in round 2 or something.

Sitting at #426 in the Nat. and 159 in the West, there must have been 31 others faster then me who felt the pain that went down as low as #395 in the Nation, how fair was it for him?
 
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Dr_Watson
so if everyone is advancing to round 3 does that mean the jack-wagons that ruined round 2 are getting a prize for doing so?
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That's my thought! I didn't make it into round 2, but I would be pissed if people were cheating and just allowed to get away with it like that.
 
This is less a reward and more of a do over. In the end this was the only way to ensure nobody that was legit got bumped. If in the end what will be unfair is not having sorted this out for round 1.

Personally looking forward to having just a bit more time to continue to adjust to the wheel.
 
/\ Like many after the cheating started in Rnd 1, I stepped back waited for them to be dealt with. Knowing I would not touch the times on the Cape Ring with out cheating, it seemed best to wait it out, you know the cheaters never win theory........WELL IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

FWIW With minimal effort I had the 300 spot covered. . . with much more room for improvement. Would I made it out of rnd 1, IDK. Like to think so.

The ENTIRE contest should be restarted IMO. Where you cheat, YOU ARE BANNED.
 
OwensRacing
/\ Like many after the cheating started in Rnd 1, I stepped back waited for them to be dealt with. Knowing I would not touch the times on the Cape Ring with out cheating, it seemed best to wait it out, you know the cheaters never win theory........WELL IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

FWIW With minimal effort I had the 300 spot covered. . . with much more room for improvement. Would I made it out of rnd 1, IDK. Like to think so.

The ENTIRE contest should be restarted IMO. Where you cheat, YOU ARE BANNED.
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That's the spirit, sit on your hands and wait for the officials to handle it instead of digging deep and actually trying hard. If there was improvements to be made without using the a little grass then why are you blaming others who worked their collective tails off to make it into round 2/3. In a 5 week round there should be no excuse for not making it. It would be a bit of a different story if the exploit was like Indy, but the Cape was a different story all together. Also, there were a total of 3 tracks in round 1, if you struggled at the cape you could of worked on the other 2 and become a bit better and quicker.

I guess quitting early and then blaming "cheaters" is the way the world works anymore.
 
I got my PS3 as a hand-me-down from my teenager for Christmas. My wife threw in a steering wheel and GT-5. Then, I found out about the Academy from one of the guys I race with (in real life).

Once the 2nd round drama started, I learned there was a large community of people who are into sim racing big time and thought I would check it out.

I'm most interested in the game rules (software) vs the unwritten rules (community expectations) that have been popping up in round 2.

On the one hand, we have e-brakes in race cars, ghosts, shifting of regular cars without having to operate a clutch, no fear of bending metal or getting killed, and the biggest difference between real racing and the sim.... the "restart" button. (And an unlimited supply of identical cars to crash in our quest for the perfect lap)

All of these things allow us to drive the sim in ways that differ greatly from reality. But none are frowned on.

Then on the other hand we have people complaing about 4-wheels in the grass at effiel (SP?) on the gorunds of "you can't do that in real life".

Well, you can't "reset" in real life either. But no one has demanded a one-crash-and-you're out rule either. So every player in the game has nothing to lose with their simulated courage.

My wife summed it up well when I showed her the cape ring stuff the leaders were doing...

Her reply was something along the lines of "The game says what's legal and what's not. You're trying to race for real, and he's doing what works...and beating you. Stop complaining and start driving."

The sim allows people who can't operate a clutch pretend that they can.

The sim allows people to use E-brakes in cars that don't have them.

The sim allows people to live through crashes that would kill them in real life.

The sim allows people to show courage they may or may not have in real life.

The sim calls upon the spirits of other drivers. (ghosts)

The sim allows people to pretend deadly/career-ending mistakes never happened. (reset).

The sim allows all of this and more. And it all seems to be fine. Yet outrage is expressed over 4 tires off the track?

I have seen 4 tires go off tracks in real life, but I have never, ever seen the ghost of another car on a real track, nor have I ever seen a car "reset" in the blink of an eye. Yet people who put 4 tires off in plain view of the whole world are called "cheaters" because "you can't do it in real life".

Meanwhile, the people complaining are diving into corners at speeds they would never try in real life. They are crashing over and over, while chasing a "ghost". Reseting over and over and over. Then when they finally make it through, pat themselves on the back for "real" driving.

I know some of what these guys were finding was ugly and I hope they fix the software to cover that stuff, but I'm having a hard time with the selective demands for "reality" in this sim world.
 
^^^ A well articulated response.


Sidebar- Am I the only one that never runs a ghost? Sure, I will download a replay and analyze the technique of a driver with a better time than me, but I have never ran with a ghost, simply because it's impossible to be precise with it. My advice to people who run with ghosts- don't use them. Just watch the replays in theater mode and then make adjustments on track. You'll go faster.
 
Articulate, maybe. But very little makes sense.
Ghost are no different than following someone. 💡
And sequential shifting, that is in the car the winner drives.
Really, reset is the only overly fake thing (and I rarely use it)... beside wall bouncing and driving off track legally... And g-forces, too.
 
Dapper
Articulate, maybe. But very little makes sense.
Ghost are no different than following someone. 💡
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Someone you can see and pass through? -(no need to alter your line)


]And sequential shifting, that is in the car the winner drives.
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The 370's in round one have no such thing. But there we were "shifting" them like pros.

Really, reset is thE only overly fake thing... beside wall bouncing and driving off track legally... And g-forces, too.
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And fear. We are all fearless in the sim world....

Reset is the biggest "cheat" of all when compared to real life racing.
 
Z1NONLY
Someone you can see and pass through? -(no need to alter your line)
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If you get behind a fast ghost you shouldn't pass through it anyway, unless one plans on bouncing off the wall by it or going by through In the grass.

The 370's in round one have no such thing. But there we were "shifting" them like pros.
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Partially right. The tuned 370z does shift without a clutch, and I'm sure the Infiniti has the option.

Reset is the biggest "cheat" of all when compared to real life racing.
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Yeah, because it restarts in terrible spots on cold tires, very unrealistic.
 
Ahh more people arguing about a moot point beyond the actual issue. This is a question of ethics and sportsmanship, NOT what you can and can't do in real life. It's less of a question of "are you doing something that you would not do in life" and more a question of "will you take steroids to make your self strong enough to win at any cost?"
And yes, I do ride a high horse; it makes my hat look better.
 
Dr_Watson
Ahh more people arguing about a moot point beyond the actual issue. This is a question of ethics and sportsmanship, NOT what you can and can't do in real life. It's less of a question of "are you doing something that you would not do in life" and more a question of "will you take steroids to make your self strong enough to win at any cost?"
And yes, I do ride a high horse; it makes my hat look better.
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I understand the issue has been framed that way, but in reality it's about selective ethics.

This community has slected 4 tires off as unethical, while e-braking in a race car that doesn't have e-brakes is ok.

Again I wish mowing and bouncing didn't work (I didn't even see the bouncing until after the cancelled round 2), but in some instances they did.....and when they did, they worked for everyone the same and the people who did so knew they were sharing the information with everyone in the competition.

Ugly? Yes. Do I wish it didn't work? Yes. Cheating? No.

How is it unethical to do anything in the sim that you share with, and works for, every competitor?
 
Z1NONLY
How is it unethical to do anything in the sim that you share with, and works for, every competitor?
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I refuse to do it because, well, I wouldn't do that in real life. Yeah it's just a game, blah, blah. But we all have to keep in mind they are looking for someone to drive a real race car. These kind of tactics in a real car will get you nowhere in a hurry.
 
Z1NONLY
How is it unethical to do anything in the sim that you share with, and works for, every competitor?
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It's against the spirit of the competition. If there was a cash prize at the end of this and they were looking for the best "gamer". All bets are off, do whatever the game lets you do.
This contest however is not about winning a "prize". It's about getting into a real car. Proving you know how to wall bounce and find exploits in the sim are the complete opposite of what this competition is looking for.
And that leads me to what I find so bizarre in all of this; the "prize" in this contest isn't a prize, it's a job. You could pretend that a free tip to Florida is a prize... but I lived in Jacksonville for a year, trust me Orlando is no prize. Especially when it's a business trip. Same thing goes for Silverstone, it's an opportunity to spend a week working your ass off trying to get a job. There is no car, no cash purse, no nothing. Which is really why people in the top 20 didn't get chastised for being selective with the ethics a bit in round 1. There was $800 worth of swag on the line; and those were the only people that *needed* to take liberties at cape ring. If you needed that .1 you got from swinging wide onto the pit lane (which required talent to gain any advantage out of to begin with) to qualify in the top 128 you aren't going to nationals anyway.
 
Dr_Watson
It's against the spirit of the competition. If there was a cash prize at the end of this and they were looking for the best "gamer". All bets are off, do whatever the game lets you do.
This contest however is not about winning a "prize". It's about getting into a real car. Proving you know how to wall bounce and find exploits in the sim are the complete opposite of what this competition is looking for.
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R1600Turbo
I refuse to do it because, well, I wouldn't do that in real life. Yeah it's just a game, blah, blah. But we all have to keep in mind they are looking for someone to drive a real race car. These kind of tactics in a real car will get you nowhere in a hurry.
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You also woudn't put down the times you put down in the sim in real life either because the statisticsof repeating such runs woulld get you killed in a hurry.
(The "flick" on the rome track comes to mind)

No matter what exploit lesser drivers find, they can't compete with good driving+exploits.

I was in the teens on Indy when I went to work on day two. I checked rankings throughout the day expecting to get bumped out some as the day went on. But I was alarmed at the gap that devoloped between me and the new, never-noticed-that-screen-name-before drivers that were crushing my time.

Well, once I got home and downloaded the fastest replays, I saw the "wormhole" they found.

Instead of complaining to my wife like I did on the cape ring, I just said, "Ok, it's like that." And promptly jumped in front of all of them (in our reigon).

At the time, I was unaware of this community and the "selective reality" expectations thereof. So I fully expected the heavy hitters to jump back in front of me and restore sanity to the ranks. But instead we got a new track.

I thought it had more to do with Sony saving face than a bunch of complaints and a selective ethics code.


Again, I hope they fix the software, but if they don't, the "spirit of the competition" will be just fin if everyon stops complaining and starts driving.

Poor driving+exploits will get trumped by good driving+exploits every time. (I saw that at Indy)


If good drivers compete rather than complain, good drivers will win. (good sim drivers at least)
 
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Its to get into a real car yes, but I'm here to be #1 first, THEN do what needs to be done in a real car.

Just because I cut or bounce off the walls here doesn't mean I am stupid enough to do it in real life.

I highly doubt someone fast enough to be top 10 is stupid enough to try something they shouldn't IRL just because they did it here.

At the cap we jump like 100 feet into the air and continue like nothing happened, why aren't people saying that's cheating too? Would you really do that in real life?

Would it really be that different than slamming into a wall? Both would F%^$ you up real bad.

If they allow it, I'm going to do it.

(Didn't cut Indy or wall slam on Madrid but I sure as heck would if they said it was OK to do so.)

P.S. Not replying to anyone just ranting in general
 
xe2bls
At the cap we jump like 100 feet into the air and continue like nothing happened, why aren't people saying that's cheating too? Would you really do that in real life?
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I forgot about the flying, undamaged cars.

I'm sure all the "dignified" racers slowed down and stayed on the ground so their sim cars wouldn't get hurt.
 
Z1NONLY
I've already gone over this. The sim allows us to do many, many things we can't do in real life. Ghosts, e-brakes in race cars, no clutch, no fear, endless resets, etc. etc.

You have/use all of these optoins, but it's keeping all four on the track that makes you feel "real" and "dignified"?
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That's the only one you have a choice about. Ethics can't exist without an opportunity for the individual to chose how they want to behave in civilization. The things you're bringing up are a straw man as they are accepted norms and the contest could not exist without them.
The simulators mere existence contains the traits your extolling as cheating compared to reality. So just by playing the simulator we've all joined a civil agreement saying that we are all comfortable with the idea of suspending fear in the name of fantasy. However everything that happens beyond that initial civil agreement to suspend realism is a choice and therefore subject to ethical debate.
 
The sim is as good as you want it to be? Well we are here to COMPETE, not make the sim as realistic as possible.

For that there is multiplayer/singleplayer/etc. GTA isn't for that.
 
If there is nothing wrong with driving like an idiot than why was round 2 canceled?

They obviously want people to drive clean.

Also, they are obviously checking replays, and if you people who are cutting, bouncing, and offroading think you are in the clear, remember there are most likely people from the competition keeping notes on what players are doing what. So when you make it to the finals and they ask your PSN do you want to have a record of clean driving or using questionable tactics?

Why didn't they do this in round 1? Well, we didn't make a big stink about it in round 1, people didn't call Sony, Jordan didn't post an article on the home page. If we took the same action in round 1 that we took in round 2 we probably could have gotten a better track than Cape.
 
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