400PP Nordschleife Shootout

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CyKosis1973
Captain Slow to the rescue..!! I did quite like the Vauxhall Corsa they made him drive on last nights episode of Top Gear.

Praiano doesn't count, he's part Brazillian, part Alien. I was a good handful of seconds faster in the later model. Good build all round, Sir, it translated well on both models of the car 👍

I might call off my hunt for a 420PP car, unless the rest of the Test Drivers suddenly start submitting 8:15s for my car :scared:

{Cy}
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Onboy123
Yea, shame May's too much of an old fart to get it. :lol:

Yup. :lol: I thank you, good sir. :dopey:

Vauxhall Corsa? :lol:

Also, have you read this? Not a bad result from you.
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Definitively the `99 tiburon is better than the `01 in my opinion.
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No Aliens in my car... The only that have enough space for this is my good friend Mr Krenkme with his family van. :nervous: Alien the 8th Passenger :nervous: In a Space van no one can hear you scream. :nervous::scared:
 
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Motor City Hami
CSLACR has raver's on share and said a few posts ago that he would get the tune posted. I got ravers through borrow. Cowboy isn't in my friends list so I haven't seen his. Is he still tuning this far past the deadline or was his car at least on share by Saturday?
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Everyones car was on share before the deadline tho Raver and cowboy didnt put their tune before the Deadline, I dont mind it...

Meh I guess ill have to retest all cars a 4 th time so i can get some feedback on all of them, but i dont think i will have much time this week and starting this weekend iwill be in belgium, thats why i rushes at testing everyones car like a no-lifer before this week.. Do i get disqulified if i dont come up with feedback? else i just copy paste the feedback of mike xD
 
CSLACR
You guys can give large or small reviews, up to you.
The only requirement is some type of feedback on what you did or didn't like about the way the car drove, nothing major or complicated.

The way Praiano does it is super, but it's very time-taking, so just something to let the tuners know how you feel about the car will do nicely.👍

Example: A bit of under-steer on entry, over-steer on exit, a little unstable in high speed corners.
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goldian
Everyones car was on share before the deadline tho Raver and cowboy didnt put their tune before the Deadline, I dont mind it...

Meh I guess ill have to retest all cars a 4 th time so i can get some feedback on all of them, but i dont think i will have much time this week and starting this weekend iwill be in belgium, thats why i rushes at testing everyones car like a no-lifer before this week.. Do i get disqulified if i dont come up with feedback? else i just copy paste the feedback of mike xD
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CSLACR already answer about this, 3 words is OK. No need to drive 28 cars again :scared: .... Only if you want to do this. You have time before the dead line.
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praiano63
Definitively the `99 tiburon is better than the `01 in my opinion.

No Aliens in my car... The only that have enough space for this is my good friend Mr Krenkme with his family van. :nervous: Alien the 8th Passenger :nervous: In a Space van no one can hear you scream. :nervous::scared:
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I think the '99 might have handled a little better, but the '01 was faster and had better access to that speed and acceleration, due largely to the 6-speed 'box. This is obviously opinion, but I found that 6 speeds were better than 5. On my own car, I thought it better to tune the gearbox for more acceleration and less top speed. I know this track has some fast sections and you can really get up to very high speeds, but in relation to the length of the track, I thought it was better to be able to get up to speed quicker.

If car (A) makes it to 130mph a lot faster than car (B) makes it to 135mph, then over the life of one lap, the slightly slower car should be faster ... does that make any sense..??

{Cy}
 
I've got a few 5 speed cars in my garage tuned so they basically have no 1st gear. They suck off the line but once you get going 1st gear is a similar ratio to 2nd gear on a 6 speed gear box. There aren't many tracks where you even use 1st gear on a 6spd after the launch anyway.
 
chuyler1
I've got a few 5 speed cars in my garage tuned so they basically have no 1st gear. They suck off the line but once you get going 1st gear is a similar ratio to 2nd gear on a 6 speed gear box. There aren't many tracks where you even use 1st gear on a 6spd after the launch anyway.
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Some of us do that to our 6-speeds, which is when the 5-speed becomes a handicap once more. ;)
 
Rotary Junkie
Some of us do that to our 6-speeds, which is when the 5-speed becomes a handicap once more. ;)
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True true. I wouldn't say it is manditory though. I managed a top 5 in lap time and top speed on praiano's sheet without sacrificing my launch. In fact, I didn't even touch the individual ratios. I just played with the top speed and final gear to get the car at max power in 6th going up the hill.
 
chuyler1
True true. I wouldn't say it is manditory though. I managed a top 5 in lap time and top speed on praiano's sheet without sacrificing my launch. In fact, I didn't even touch the individual ratios. I just played with the top speed and final gear to get the car at max power in 6th going up the hill.
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Launch is the problem with low power 5 gears car together with the tire grip. For a race with grid start at Nordschleife, of course i will prefer a stock ratio gearbox , because it´s very difficult to take back the place you can lose at the start.
This was not the case in this shootout, and in my opinion ,it´s better in this particular case ,to have the gears as clothe as possible, with a long 1st, than a stock gearbox. This configuration allow you to stay in higher RPM changing gears all the time on this specific track, staying in the best RPM/POWER range.
For cars like the 400PP with low anorexic torque, this is very important. I´m not a specialist and i don´t have any [technical real live] arguments for this, but i´ve made this choice after seeing my ghost with better results this way.

Good day.

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I had very similar opinion to Praiano's in my review so im sure we would all end up to the same conclusion, just give s brief commentary or simply post your laptimes :)

if you saved your replay you can rewatch your lap
 
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was playing with the way I tune gear boxes last night, interesting to find certain efficiencies especially when getting to top end of 6th/5th and the speed difference going up the hill before the carousel........
For the combi van I'm currently mucking around with am similar to what other people are saying, has nothing at all in first until 6000rpm, then goes like a cut cat...
 
As I mentioned, I am building some comparisons between the tunes posted for this competition. I will share all insights for group discussion. A few are things missing in some of the tunes. Can either the tuners or someone test driving who is PS friends with the tuners please help by posting the missing info?

oopssorryy - DS3 or wheel?

Hermanvongerman - Oil change? Enging overhall? Chassis maintenane? Did you tune with DS3, wheel or both?

SolidSnake7735 - DS3 or wheel? Transmission settings, even if they are stock. Can someone post the numbers 1st, 2nd, etc. and top speed.

sheephead99 - DS3 or wheel? Oil change?

Johnnypenso - DS3 or wheel? Oil change?

Cowboys965 - need his whole tune. GT Auto Services performed, Installed parts, wheel or DS3 and all settings.

MrGrado - DS3 or wheel?

oppositelock - DS3 or wheel? Top speed setting?

sean10mm - DS3 or wheel? Transmission settings?

Rallywagon - DS3 or wheel? Oil change, engine overhall or chassis maint?

LineR32 - DS3 or wheel? Oil change, engine overhall or chassis maint? Need transmission gear ratios - only top speed posted.

tris 73 - DS3 or wheel?

Jahgee1124 - very little info posted. DS3 or wheel? Horsepower, weight, PP? GT Auto services performed (oil, aero, engine overhall or chassis maint)? Tuning parts fitted? Power limiter setting.

chuyler1 - DS3 or wheel?

raver - DS3 or wheel? GT auto services (oil, engine overhall or chassis maint)?

Thanks,
Keith
 
@ Hami

DS3 (see Sig)
Oil lamp is on , so non of the first 2 and no Chassis maint. ;)

Here´s the Setup of the Mercedes Benz Evo:

Parts:

FC Transmission
Cluch:Single Plate
Flywheel:Sports
Carbon Propeller Shaft
FC LSD
FC Suspension


Settings:

Transmission:
Top Speed set to 118 mph
1st : 4.118
2nd : 2.824
3rd : 2.013
4th : 1.520
5th : 1.212
Final : 3.000

LSD : 5/20/10

Suspension:

RH : -10 / -5
SR : 10.2 / 8.8
D(e) : 6 / 7
D(c) : 3 / 2
Roll : 3 / 5
Cam : 1.6 / 1.0
Toe : 0 / 0

BB: 6 / 5
PL : 99%
Tyres : Comfort Soft

Car has 214 bhp and 1340 kg.

raVer
 
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Awesome review set Mike.👍
Way to pop your cherry. :D :cheers:


Motor City Hami
CSLACR has raver's on share and said a few posts ago that he would get the tune posted. I got ravers through borrow. Cowboy isn't in my friends list so I haven't seen his. Is he still tuning this far past the deadline or was his car at least on share by Saturday?
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His car has been on share sine before the deadline, he's getting a PM tonight unless I read further down and find something.
 
Motor City Hami
As I mentioned, I am building some comparisons between the tunes posted for this competition. I will share all insights for group discussion. A few are things missing in some of the tunes. Can either the tuners or someone test driving who is PS friends with the tuners please help by posting the missing info?

oopssorryy - DS3 or wheel?

Hermanvongerman - Oil change? Enging overhall? Chassis maintenane? Did you tune with DS3, wheel or both?

SolidSnake7735 - DS3 or wheel? Transmission settings, even if they are stock. Can someone post the numbers 1st, 2nd, etc. and top speed.

sheephead99 - DS3 or wheel? Oil change?

Johnnypenso - DS3 or wheel? Oil change?

Cowboys965 - need his whole tune. GT Auto Services performed, Installed parts, wheel or DS3 and all settings.

MrGrado - DS3 or wheel?

oppositelock - DS3 or wheel? Top speed setting?

sean10mm - DS3 or wheel? Transmission settings?

Rallywagon - DS3 or wheel? Oil change, engine overhall or chassis maint?

LineR32 - DS3 or wheel? Oil change, engine overhall or chassis maint? Need transmission gear ratios - only top speed posted.

tris 73 - DS3 or wheel?

Jahgee1124 - very little info posted. DS3 or wheel? Horsepower, weight, PP? GT Auto services performed (oil, aero, engine overhall or chassis maint)? Tuning parts fitted? Power limiter setting.

chuyler1 - DS3 or wheel?

raver - DS3 or wheel? GT auto services (oil, engine overhall or chassis maint)?

Thanks,
Keith
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So far, DS3, Engine overhaul, chassis overhaul, oil change, aftermarket rims, will also post tune here later.
 
@ Hami

Every thing at GT Auto was done and I tuned it with DS3. I only changed the auto setting (max speed) on the transmission.

I did list all of this in my tune.
 
Cowboys965's Ring King
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Suspension:
Ride -20/-25
Springs 7.2/7.0
Dampers 5/5
5/5
Anti-Roll bars 5/5
Camber 1.0/0.5
Toe -.04/-.05

Clutch: Standard
Flywheel: Standard
Stock differential
Drive shaft: Normal
(Forgot to change these)

Transmission: 6 Speed Close-Ratio Transmission
Brake bias 6/8
Sports Intake
Power limiter 100.0%
Balalst amount 0
Weight distribution 51/49

Oil change
Engine and Chassis overhaul
Aftermarket rims

176HP
1415KG
RWD (FR)
4000 RPM
3998.2 miles
 
LineR32
@ Hami

Every thing at GT Auto was done and I tuned it with DS3. I only changed the auto setting (max speed) on the transmission.

I did list all of this in my tune.
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You didn't list the individual gear settings with your tune. I need the individual gears, final drive and max speed.

Can you also list the HP, weight and PP you achieved. Not all tunes are at 400PP. I didn't see this listed with your tune.
 
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mike_gt3
lol thx CSL! :)

Added your car in the videos and XDesperado's 2000GT



:cheers:
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I don't know if I want to watch before or after I drive it, I only ran 1 full lap with the Teggy.

BTW - It is still not a "Honda acura". :lol:
It's a 2001 Acura Integra Type R, the one that meets the same requirements all cars have to meet here(for me). Prettier too. :P
 
CSLACR
I don't know if I want to watch before or after I drive it, I only ran 1 full lap with the Teggy.

BTW - It is still not a "Honda acura". :lol:
It's a 2001 Acura Integra Type R, the one that meets the same requirements all cars have to meet here(for me). Prettier too. :P
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Lol your right i didnt noticed, i just copied and paste it from praiano's review, thx praiano saved me a lot of typing :D

I can see you want to drive it first, i agree :) Have fun! its a really good FF 👍
 
Motor City Hami
oopssorryy - DS3 or wheel?


Thanks,
Keith
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DS3

mike_gt3
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oopssorryy - PSN: CyKosis1973// Toyota Celica SS II ´99

8:34.555

Test drive result // total points= 103 pts

Max speed under bridge: 221 km/h = 137 mph =26 pts


Low speed corner:
Entry: 8 Middle:9 Out: 8
Comments: Turn-in is very good, a little oversteer if you push too much.

Medium speed corner:
Entry: 9 Middle: 8 Out: 9
Comments: The car has a great handling capability, but will lose stability and speed on the curbs on middle part, losing time and speed for the exit depeding the area.

High speed corner:
Entry: 9 Middle: 8 Out: 9
Comments: Same thing as medium speed cornering, the suspension is too stiff for the curbs, might need a smoother suspension.

Comments: Despite the suspension a little too stiff, it had a very good handling with good turn-in, it was fun to drive but would have used a slightly longer gearing, it was hitting the rev limiter on few area. Good job nontheless :)
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Too stiff as in the Dampers or springs? Both? You took about 20 seconds of my time, so I greatly appreciate your efforts!
 
mike_gt3
lol thx CSL! :)

Added your car in the videos and XDesperado's 2000GT

:cheers:
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:bowdown::gtpflag:Awesome!👍👍

Thanks again mike.:cheers:

Oh and in case anyone's interested I decided to max out my spare "Aki" and then go do the Grand Valley 300km.:crazy:

Currently in 2nd about 5sec back after getting fresh tires put on. Of course I'm only on lap 18 so figure it should be an easy win.:D
 
Wow mike_gt3! You pulled off a 8:24.8 lap in the Focus! :bowdown:
Nice review too! Glad you liked the tune.
I'm amazed that it was only 0.045 seconds behind CyKosis's car in testing. :crazy:
I guess those Ford's gotta stick together. :dopey:
 
For my tune

Controller: Whichever the driver prefers
No GT Auto Fixes @ 8500 Miles
Window Weight Reduction and all the Drivetrain upgrades, no power limiter
 

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