F.I.T.T. Rally and Street Tuner Challenge by MCH
- Thread starter Motor City Hami
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- 3,131
- IL, USA
- DigitalBaka
- DigitalBaka587
I unlisted the help of DigitalBaka for my shootout. Just send him a Viper that tries to kill him by looks alone, and maybe he'll help
What I did was downloaded everything to my computer and reuploaded them to my picture host (Picasa in my case). I then linked preview size images to the full res version. Somewhat a pain with the small space to type in for the poll choices but not terrible to do. Typing it all out in Notepad or something first would make it much easier.
I'm happy to help of course. Let me know if you need assistance.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Just put my Rally car on share, will post the tune for it tomorrow.👍👍
Hopefully I'll have the street version tuned and posted tomorrow as well.
Hopefully I'll have the street version tuned and posted tomorrow as well.
- 2,623
- Pompey
- CyKosis1973
5 laps per car.
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Rally Cars
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Laptimes:
DigitalBaka - Toyota Celica GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95 - 2:02.185 - Gold Medal Drivers Choice
CyKosis1973 - Ford Escort Rally Car '98 - 2:02.989
xDesperado67123 - Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car - 2:03.232 - Silver Medal Drivers Choice
Trackripper123 - Ford Escort Rally Car '98 - 2:03.430
Motor City Hami - Subaru Impreza WRC 2008 - 2:03.596 - Bronze Medal Drivers Choice
jtqmopar - Subaru Impreza Rally Car '01 - 2:05.707
NEWDRIVER2 - Nissan 240RS Rally Car 85 - 2:16.070
Krenkme - Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car 85 - 2:26.676
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jtqmopar
Subaru Impreza Rally Car '01
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:05.707 (Lap 5/5)
I love this car, I love what it represents and stands for. Even if it meant the ultimate demise of my beloved Escort. I had expectations.
Largely those expectations were met. There's only one fault with this car that I've found. 5th gear. Once 5th gear kicks in, the arse end of this car develops its own mind..!! I'm not sure what it is, but as soon as 5th is
engaged, the car will want to oversteer on the power, almost regardless of where the front tyres are pointed. This alone is the reason this car hasn't posted a better time. 5th gear is important, because when you're driving auto and on a hot one, you'll select 5th going into turn 13, turn 6 and in the bottom of the essesses leading into 3.
If I didn't have to lift, or take other measures to control this, then I'd expect to see my laptimes tumble...
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DigitalBaka
Toyota Celica GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:02.185 (Lap 4/5)
The numbers speak for themselves. I worked long and hard, putting in many laps to reach a 2:01 in my car. I did it in this car inside 4 laps, and would have done it on lap 3, if not for a nudge going through turn 2.
Excluding MCH and Trackripper, as I've not tested theirs at the time of writing this, DigiB is probably the only one of us to have understood gearing. The car has 6 gears, but only uses 4. 5th and 6th are superfluous. I'm :censored:ing annoyed with myself, because I thought about doing it.
Seriously well done, Sir...
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Krenkme
Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car 85
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:26.676 (Lap 3/5)
Sorry about the time, I left plenty of time out there. Firstly, congratulations on making this car drivable. And that's the highest plaudit I can give this car. Someone with better driving skills, a wheel and a manual shifter will discover an epic car. I could sense it, I got a sniff every now and then, but with limited skills and track time, I just couldn't unleash the beast.
Biggest problem for me was not being able to short shift, being a weak willed auto driver. Sorry fella...
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Motor City Hami
Subaru Impreza WRC 2008
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:03.596 (Lap 5/5)
Technically the most adept car I've driven, with only one left to test. I love the way the car likes to pull itself straight, hugely enjoyable. Felt like I should have posted a faster time. On my fastest lap, I nudged the fence through 2, again, which will have cost me 0.5 sec.
The only car so far, with maybe the exception of DigiB's Toyota, that I could drive flat out, all the way up the hill, every single time. This is a great ride, thank you...
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NEWDRIVER2
Nissan 240RS Rally Car 85
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:16.070 (Lap 3/5)
This was a brave attempt, with what looks like a tricky car. Initially I thought the gearing was completely wrong, and in the slower sections, it does spend a lot of time on the rev limiter before shifting up (so I expect there's a lot of wheelspin). It didn't feel like the gearbox was going to be long enough as I attacked the hill for the first time. Once I neared the top of the hill, I realised that the final gear was just right. The car really starts to run out of power by then..!!
I could easily have shaved another 2, maybe 3 seconds off this time, but the car does suffer from snap-oversteer. Sometimes it's difficult to provoke rotation, in the slower sections, and in the faster section the car can snap round quicker than you can control it. Feathering the throttle and liberal doses of the e-brake helped. I'd need another 5 laps to be sure of shaving that extra time off though.
Well done sir, a brave effort 👍
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Trackripper123
Ford Escort Rally Car '98
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:03.430 (Lap 5/5)
Well, it didn't feel fast, but the times don't lie. 3rd on the table, with just my own car to run. My only really critisism is that the car bogs down too often on corner exit, manual shifters will overcome this, but auto shifters like me
can find themselves in too high a gear for fast exiting. It's testament to the car's build that I could carry enough speed through turn 16 to hold onto 3rd, however this did mean that the revs dipped and precious momentum was lost.
With the greatest of respect to Ripper, I was surprised to see it top Hami's Impreza by a tenth and a bit, sort the gears and improve weight transfer on corner exit and you could be tugging on xDee and DigiB's coat tails. The pressure is now on for me, I've going to have to put in a flying lap in my own car...
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xDesperado67123
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:03.232 (Lap 2/5)
I'm glad you choose this car combo. I love them both. This rally version is hugely competent, loads of grip and plenty of beans. If anything, this car has a little too much rear grip and proves a little hard to rotate at slower speeds.
I set my fastest time of lap 2, proving how easy the car is to drive. I was 0.9 up on lap 5, before I clipped the fence on the left hander before turn 3 and ironically, lost the rear and my line for turn 3. I was clean through 2 and 1 and only crossed the line 0.1 behind my ghost, so it's entirely possible I could have been headed for the 2:01 bracket.
Well done, Sir...
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Street Cars
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Laptimes:
Motor City Hami - Subaru Impreza WRX STi '07 - 1:13.644 - Gold Medal Drivers Choice
xDesperado67 - Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac - 1:13.766
Trackripper2 - Ford Focus ST170 '03 - 1:14.024
jtqmopar - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version '00 - 1:14.076 - Bronze Medal Drivers Choice
CyKosis1973 - Ford Focus ST170 '03 - 1:14.154
DigitalBaka - Toyota Celica GT-FOUR (ST205) '98 - 1:14.318
NEWDRIVER2 - SILVIA 240RS (S110) '83 - 1:15.744
Krenkme - Renault 5 Turbo 80 - 1:16.006 - Silver Medal Drivers Choice
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jtqmopar
Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version '00
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:14.076 (Lap 5/5)
Savagely disappointed to not make it into the 1:13s. I would have made it too, had I not run a perfect 3rd sector on my second lap. I could easily beat that ghost through the first two sectors, but couldn't quite capitalise on that advantage over the final sector.
I had to go and check the tyres and PP, well done, sir, well done...
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DigitalBaka
Toyota Celica GT-FOUR (ST205) '98
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:14.318 (Lap 5/5)
Just as compliant and easy to drive as its rally counterpart. I could probably have found more time, but I got into a bit of a jam on lap 3 and invalidated lap 4 at the same time :/ Which in essence left me with just the last lap to set a fast time.
Should have been a 1:13, and for that I'm sorry. Thank you for taking the time to assemble these two pieces of automotive history
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Krenkme
Renault 5 Turbo 80
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:16.006 (Lap 4/5)
What a wonderful experience, thank you kindly for the opportunity of driving this car. Particularly at this venue. Surprisingly supple and easy to manoeuvre through the slower, twisty sections. No drama, no fuss, just brake, coast, wait for it, hit the hammer!!
Things aren't quite so sweet in the higher speed sections. I was able to set some blistering times on the first two sections, but the third inevitably caught me out. Careful throttle control will keep the rear under control, the slightest of lifts can be enough to keep things from going completely Pete Tong. However, as much fun as it is to have the rear skating away at speed, it's not the fastest way round the course.
I was on course to break into the 1:15s on my final lap, but I got a bit excited in the right/left after the tunnel and had to suffer the ignominy of watching my ghost disappear up the track in my rearview mirror
All that being said, it'll take something special from the others to beat the joy of driving this car. Thank you, once again...
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Motor City Hami
Subaru Impreza WRX STi '07
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:13.644 (Lap 2/5)
Another fantastically adept car. Absolutely no fuss or drama whatsoever. Good under braking, turns easily and you can on the power really early. Consistent as hell, my times for laps 2, 3 and 4 were .644 .657 .673, only my out laps and the last one were outside the 1:13 category.
Bravo, Sir, two fantastic cars, give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back 👍
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NEWDRIVER2
SILVIA 240RS (S110) '83
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:15.744 (Lap 5/5)
Another brave effort. There's much to enjoy about this car. Sounds good and goes well. Does suffer from corner exit oversteer is the slower sections and will spin from mid corner onwards in the faster sections. Care throttle control will get you through though.
I would expect with a few more laps, I could get this down into the 1:14s, which is on par with my Focus, so well done, Sir...
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Trackripper2
Ford Focus ST170 '03
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:14.024 (Lap 5/5)
A nice ride, deceptively quick and sticking it to the 4WD boys in the process. This time is less than 100th slower than the fastest time I've posted in my own car, to date, so I've put myself right under the hammer now..!!
The only issue with this car is corner exit, again. Spends too long bouncing off the limiter, before shifting up and lights up the tyres a little too easily. Hardly seems to have effected laptime though. Please bear in mind, that I have 4 of these cars in my garage, 2 of them built for Shootouts and I really like driving FWD. I know, I'm odd like that.
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xDesperado67
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:13.766 (Lap 5/5)
This car's strengths are in the huge amounts of grip through the corners, particularly on corner exit. Your biggest gains will be made here, 5 more laps and I'd have easily done away with the 0.766 of a sec.
The weakness of this car is the brakes. You'll need to exercise caution under heavy braking, make sure you get the majority of it done in a straight line. Around the rest of the track, you're going to need to use the lightest of touches to keep this car from locking up. It's not horrific, as per above, the car has plenty of grip to dig you out of most situations, but it doesn't make for fast time trialling.
That being said, if you're one of those alien drivers, you'll set some devastating times with this. I'm sure it will prove a hard car to beat, deceptively quick and I was disappointed to see my allotted laps disappear as quick as they did...
{Cy}
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Rally Cars
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Laptimes:
DigitalBaka - Toyota Celica GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95 - 2:02.185 - Gold Medal Drivers Choice
CyKosis1973 - Ford Escort Rally Car '98 - 2:02.989
xDesperado67123 - Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car - 2:03.232 - Silver Medal Drivers Choice
Trackripper123 - Ford Escort Rally Car '98 - 2:03.430
Motor City Hami - Subaru Impreza WRC 2008 - 2:03.596 - Bronze Medal Drivers Choice
jtqmopar - Subaru Impreza Rally Car '01 - 2:05.707
NEWDRIVER2 - Nissan 240RS Rally Car 85 - 2:16.070
Krenkme - Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car 85 - 2:26.676
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jtqmopar
Subaru Impreza Rally Car '01
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:05.707 (Lap 5/5)
I love this car, I love what it represents and stands for. Even if it meant the ultimate demise of my beloved Escort. I had expectations.
Largely those expectations were met. There's only one fault with this car that I've found. 5th gear. Once 5th gear kicks in, the arse end of this car develops its own mind..!! I'm not sure what it is, but as soon as 5th is
engaged, the car will want to oversteer on the power, almost regardless of where the front tyres are pointed. This alone is the reason this car hasn't posted a better time. 5th gear is important, because when you're driving auto and on a hot one, you'll select 5th going into turn 13, turn 6 and in the bottom of the essesses leading into 3.
If I didn't have to lift, or take other measures to control this, then I'd expect to see my laptimes tumble...
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DigitalBaka
Toyota Celica GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:02.185 (Lap 4/5)
The numbers speak for themselves. I worked long and hard, putting in many laps to reach a 2:01 in my car. I did it in this car inside 4 laps, and would have done it on lap 3, if not for a nudge going through turn 2.
Excluding MCH and Trackripper, as I've not tested theirs at the time of writing this, DigiB is probably the only one of us to have understood gearing. The car has 6 gears, but only uses 4. 5th and 6th are superfluous. I'm :censored:ing annoyed with myself, because I thought about doing it.
Seriously well done, Sir...
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Krenkme
Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car 85
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:26.676 (Lap 3/5)
Sorry about the time, I left plenty of time out there. Firstly, congratulations on making this car drivable. And that's the highest plaudit I can give this car. Someone with better driving skills, a wheel and a manual shifter will discover an epic car. I could sense it, I got a sniff every now and then, but with limited skills and track time, I just couldn't unleash the beast.
Biggest problem for me was not being able to short shift, being a weak willed auto driver. Sorry fella...
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Motor City Hami
Subaru Impreza WRC 2008
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:03.596 (Lap 5/5)
Technically the most adept car I've driven, with only one left to test. I love the way the car likes to pull itself straight, hugely enjoyable. Felt like I should have posted a faster time. On my fastest lap, I nudged the fence through 2, again, which will have cost me 0.5 sec.
The only car so far, with maybe the exception of DigiB's Toyota, that I could drive flat out, all the way up the hill, every single time. This is a great ride, thank you...
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NEWDRIVER2
Nissan 240RS Rally Car 85
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:16.070 (Lap 3/5)
This was a brave attempt, with what looks like a tricky car. Initially I thought the gearing was completely wrong, and in the slower sections, it does spend a lot of time on the rev limiter before shifting up (so I expect there's a lot of wheelspin). It didn't feel like the gearbox was going to be long enough as I attacked the hill for the first time. Once I neared the top of the hill, I realised that the final gear was just right. The car really starts to run out of power by then..!!
I could easily have shaved another 2, maybe 3 seconds off this time, but the car does suffer from snap-oversteer. Sometimes it's difficult to provoke rotation, in the slower sections, and in the faster section the car can snap round quicker than you can control it. Feathering the throttle and liberal doses of the e-brake helped. I'd need another 5 laps to be sure of shaving that extra time off though.
Well done sir, a brave effort 👍
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Trackripper123
Ford Escort Rally Car '98
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:03.430 (Lap 5/5)
Well, it didn't feel fast, but the times don't lie. 3rd on the table, with just my own car to run. My only really critisism is that the car bogs down too often on corner exit, manual shifters will overcome this, but auto shifters like me
can find themselves in too high a gear for fast exiting. It's testament to the car's build that I could carry enough speed through turn 16 to hold onto 3rd, however this did mean that the revs dipped and precious momentum was lost.
With the greatest of respect to Ripper, I was surprised to see it top Hami's Impreza by a tenth and a bit, sort the gears and improve weight transfer on corner exit and you could be tugging on xDee and DigiB's coat tails. The pressure is now on for me, I've going to have to put in a flying lap in my own car...
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xDesperado67123
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:03.232 (Lap 2/5)
I'm glad you choose this car combo. I love them both. This rally version is hugely competent, loads of grip and plenty of beans. If anything, this car has a little too much rear grip and proves a little hard to rotate at slower speeds.
I set my fastest time of lap 2, proving how easy the car is to drive. I was 0.9 up on lap 5, before I clipped the fence on the left hander before turn 3 and ironically, lost the rear and my line for turn 3. I was clean through 2 and 1 and only crossed the line 0.1 behind my ghost, so it's entirely possible I could have been headed for the 2:01 bracket.
Well done, Sir...
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Street Cars
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Laptimes:
Motor City Hami - Subaru Impreza WRX STi '07 - 1:13.644 - Gold Medal Drivers Choice
xDesperado67 - Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac - 1:13.766
Trackripper2 - Ford Focus ST170 '03 - 1:14.024
jtqmopar - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version '00 - 1:14.076 - Bronze Medal Drivers Choice
CyKosis1973 - Ford Focus ST170 '03 - 1:14.154
DigitalBaka - Toyota Celica GT-FOUR (ST205) '98 - 1:14.318
NEWDRIVER2 - SILVIA 240RS (S110) '83 - 1:15.744
Krenkme - Renault 5 Turbo 80 - 1:16.006 - Silver Medal Drivers Choice
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jtqmopar
Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version '00
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:14.076 (Lap 5/5)
Savagely disappointed to not make it into the 1:13s. I would have made it too, had I not run a perfect 3rd sector on my second lap. I could easily beat that ghost through the first two sectors, but couldn't quite capitalise on that advantage over the final sector.
I had to go and check the tyres and PP, well done, sir, well done...
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DigitalBaka
Toyota Celica GT-FOUR (ST205) '98
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:14.318 (Lap 5/5)
Just as compliant and easy to drive as its rally counterpart. I could probably have found more time, but I got into a bit of a jam on lap 3 and invalidated lap 4 at the same time :/ Which in essence left me with just the last lap to set a fast time.
Should have been a 1:13, and for that I'm sorry. Thank you for taking the time to assemble these two pieces of automotive history
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Krenkme
Renault 5 Turbo 80
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:16.006 (Lap 4/5)
What a wonderful experience, thank you kindly for the opportunity of driving this car. Particularly at this venue. Surprisingly supple and easy to manoeuvre through the slower, twisty sections. No drama, no fuss, just brake, coast, wait for it, hit the hammer!!
Things aren't quite so sweet in the higher speed sections. I was able to set some blistering times on the first two sections, but the third inevitably caught me out. Careful throttle control will keep the rear under control, the slightest of lifts can be enough to keep things from going completely Pete Tong. However, as much fun as it is to have the rear skating away at speed, it's not the fastest way round the course.
I was on course to break into the 1:15s on my final lap, but I got a bit excited in the right/left after the tunnel and had to suffer the ignominy of watching my ghost disappear up the track in my rearview mirror
All that being said, it'll take something special from the others to beat the joy of driving this car. Thank you, once again...
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Motor City Hami
Subaru Impreza WRX STi '07
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:13.644 (Lap 2/5)
Another fantastically adept car. Absolutely no fuss or drama whatsoever. Good under braking, turns easily and you can on the power really early. Consistent as hell, my times for laps 2, 3 and 4 were .644 .657 .673, only my out laps and the last one were outside the 1:13 category.
Bravo, Sir, two fantastic cars, give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back 👍
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NEWDRIVER2
SILVIA 240RS (S110) '83
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:15.744 (Lap 5/5)
Another brave effort. There's much to enjoy about this car. Sounds good and goes well. Does suffer from corner exit oversteer is the slower sections and will spin from mid corner onwards in the faster sections. Care throttle control will get you through though.
I would expect with a few more laps, I could get this down into the 1:14s, which is on par with my Focus, so well done, Sir...
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Trackripper2
Ford Focus ST170 '03
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:14.024 (Lap 5/5)
A nice ride, deceptively quick and sticking it to the 4WD boys in the process. This time is less than 100th slower than the fastest time I've posted in my own car, to date, so I've put myself right under the hammer now..!!
The only issue with this car is corner exit, again. Spends too long bouncing off the limiter, before shifting up and lights up the tyres a little too easily. Hardly seems to have effected laptime though. Please bear in mind, that I have 4 of these cars in my garage, 2 of them built for Shootouts and I really like driving FWD. I know, I'm odd like that.
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xDesperado67
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:13.766 (Lap 5/5)
This car's strengths are in the huge amounts of grip through the corners, particularly on corner exit. Your biggest gains will be made here, 5 more laps and I'd have easily done away with the 0.766 of a sec.
The weakness of this car is the brakes. You'll need to exercise caution under heavy braking, make sure you get the majority of it done in a straight line. Around the rest of the track, you're going to need to use the lightest of touches to keep this car from locking up. It's not horrific, as per above, the car has plenty of grip to dig you out of most situations, but it doesn't make for fast time trialling.
That being said, if you're one of those alien drivers, you'll set some devastating times with this. I'm sure it will prove a hard car to beat, deceptively quick and I was disappointed to see my allotted laps disappear as quick as they did...
{Cy}
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- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
@CyKosis thanks for testing my rally car.👍👍
Very respectable time for only doing 5 laps with it, I tried to make it as driver friendly as possible and it looks like I succeeded there.
Pretty sure that a couple of the alien or near alien drivers we have testing will get it under 2:00 minutes as I was running low 2:01s consistently while tuning and managed to get a 2:00.2xx on what for me was a wonder lap that still managed to leave plenty of time on the track.
Anyways good job with the testing and looking forward to seeing how the others turn out.
Oh by the way how are you doing the drivers ranking scores? Is a lower number better or worse?
Very respectable time for only doing 5 laps with it, I tried to make it as driver friendly as possible and it looks like I succeeded there.
Pretty sure that a couple of the alien or near alien drivers we have testing will get it under 2:00 minutes as I was running low 2:01s consistently while tuning and managed to get a 2:00.2xx on what for me was a wonder lap that still managed to leave plenty of time on the track.
Anyways good job with the testing and looking forward to seeing how the others turn out.
Oh by the way how are you doing the drivers ranking scores? Is a lower number better or worse?
- 2,623
- Pompey
- CyKosis1973
@CyKosis thanks for testing my rally car.👍👍
Very respectable time for only doing 5 laps with it, I tried to make it as driver friendly as possible and it looks like I succeeded there.
Pretty sure that a couple of the alien or near alien drivers we have testing will get it under 2:00 minutes as I was running low 2:01s consistently while tuning and managed to get a 2:00.2xx on what for me was a wonder lap that still managed to leave plenty of time on the track.
Anyways good job with the testing and looking forward to seeing how the others turn out.
Oh by the way how are you doing the drivers ranking scores? Is a lower number better or worse?
Very easy to drive, Sir, very easy. I suspect if I lapped it as much as I've lapped my own car, I'd probably break 2:00 in it. Both cars have a decent PP advantage, which is why I picked it for the last shootout I entered (hoping your Tarmac runs better than mine did).
The driver ranking is actually the lap I made my fastest time on, I'll go change that so it's obvious, sorry. I'll post my driver's choice once I've run the rest 👍
{Cy}
- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
Just found out although I clicked the "Share with friends" option for both cars, neither are on share, so I'll get then up ASAP, currently away from the PS3 though.
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
I think I am going to regret two things:
First, not choosing this car pairing. The very first run on tarmac for me, with just a slapped on a base tune was a 1:13.5. It has taken me hours to just squeak up to 1:13.6 with my 2007 Impreza.
Second, I may regret sending xDespy this rally car from my UCD. I just couldn't make the rally car as fast as the WRC. This should be a good, close event.
My tunes are done. Just need time around family this weekend to get it posted and shoot some photos.
- 2,623
- Pompey
- CyKosis1973
It wouldn't be unfair to say that the Tarmac has a significant PP advantage. Just wish I'd done a better job on my 520PP Japanese Auto Shootout
I did think about entering them (I also thought about the Pug 206 pairing), but the chance at the Escort/Focus was too much. I dearly love the Escort Cosworth, I wish the whale-tail production version was in the game.
Looking forward to driving the xDee's tarmac Tarmac, I'm not often disappointed with his offerings
{Cy}
- 3,131
- IL, USA
- DigitalBaka
- DigitalBaka587
jtqmopar
Mine are not up yet. Need some time at The Box to get them shared yet.
- 4,079
- Brooklyn, Wi
- krenkme
Ronald6
Yes. Too many cocktails last night
CyKosis1973Krenkme
Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car ’85
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:26.676 (Lap 3/5)
Sorry about the time, I left plenty of time out there. Firstly, congratulations on making this car drivable. And that's the highest plaudit I can give this car. Someone with better driving skills, a wheel and a manual shifter will discover an epic car. I could sense it, I got a sniff every now and then, but with limited skills and track time, I just couldn't unleash the beast.
Biggest problem for me was not being able to short shift, being a weak willed auto driver. Sorry fella...
Krenkme
Renault 5 Turbo ’80
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:16.006 (Lap 4/5)
What a wonderful experience, thank you kindly for the opportunity of driving this car. Particularly at this venue. Surprisingly supple and easy to manoeuvre through the slower, twisty sections. No drama, no fuss, just brake, coast, wait for it, hit the hammer!!
Things aren't quite so sweet in the higher speed sections. I was able to set some blistering times on the first two sections, but the third inevitably caught me out. Careful throttle control will keep the rear under control, the slightest of lifts can be enough to keep things from going completely Pete Tong. However, as much fun as it is to have the rear skating away at speed, it's not the fastest way round the course.
I was on course to break into the 1:15s on my final lap, but I got a bit excited in the right/left after the tunnel and had to suffer the ignominy of watching my ghost disappear up the track in my rearview mirror
All that being said, it'll take something special from the others to beat the joy of driving this car. Thank you, once again...
{Cy}
Thank you so much for the testing. The times are very close to what I was running so I am happy with that as well (I am an automatic, DS3 user).
I'm still not happy with the rally tune, but it did make it a little easier to drive.
Thanks again, and glad you liked them
- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
Both my cars are now on share. 👍
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Would liked to have seen someone enter the Pug 205s. In my testing they were the only 80s cars that put up comparable times with the modern cars on both tracks. The 86 Pug rally car was also one of the fastest I tested as far as speed up the hill but was a serious handful to drive and keep pointed in the direction you wanted to go.
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
I drove about ten of the rally cars when I was setting the PP limits for the competition, but only really tuned 4 or 5 of them. I think after this competition is finished, I will make a run at tuning all of the rally cars. There just aren't enough good rally tunes on GTP. I have a renewed spirit for GT5 rally cars now.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
I understand why you set the PP limit to 500 for the rally cars for this shootout but I think for most of the newer cars and the high powered 80s 4wds 550PP would be a more comfortable fit for future tuning.
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
That is a good idea for my future rally tunes.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Seem to have hit a brick wall with my tuning of the street CZ-3. Not sure if my driving is just off today or if its the car itself but currently not making any progress and its frustrating me.
- 3,131
- IL, USA
- DigitalBaka
- DigitalBaka587
XDesperado67Seem to have hit a brick wall with my tuning of the street CZ-3. Not sure if my driving is just off today or if its the car itself but currently not making any progress and its frustrating me.
Same problem I had. The street version gave me far more headaches than the rally version. I think I just stink at 4WD though...
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Same problem I had. The street version gave me far more headaches than the rally version. I think I just stink at 4WD though...
Once I actually started trying to tune it from the basic test setup I had on it I shaved a half second off the time. Then for whatever reason all progress stopped and despite trying some quite radical changes just can't seem to find any more. Half a dozen very different setups all less than 2 tenths difference in time. Top 3 fastest laps are all within .038 of each other and all used seriously different tunes.
- 3,131
- IL, USA
- DigitalBaka
- DigitalBaka587
My street tune is up on share with fresh oil and a car wash to make it nice and shiny. My rally tune is going through final break in with Bob and I will adjust the final numbers before posting. I also sent a FR to jtq as he was the only one not already hooked up on my PSN.
Using the four-eyed Celicas. The road car has been on my "want to tune" list for some time now.
My rally tune is going through final break in with Bob and I will adjust the final numbers before posting. I also sent a FR to jtq as he was the only one not already hooked up on my PSN.Using the four-eyed Celicas. The road car has been on my "want to tune" list for some time now.
- 2,623
- Pompey
- CyKosis1973
- 2,623
- Pompey
- CyKosis1973
- 1,096
- Egypt
- GTP_NEWDRIVER2
- OTS_NEWDRIVER2
CyKosis1973
NEWDRIVER2
Nissan 240RS Rally Car ’85
Eiger Nordwand G Trail Reverse - 2:16.070 (Lap 3/5)
This was a brave attempt, with what looks like a tricky car. Initially I thought the gearing was completely wrong, and in the slower sections, it does spend a lot of time on the rev limiter before shifting up (so I expect there's a lot of wheelspin). It didn't feel like the gearbox was going to be long enough as I attacked the hill for the first time. Once I neared the top of the hill, I realised that the final gera was just right. The car really starts to run out of power by then..!!
I could easily have shaved another 2, maybe 3 seconds off this time, but the car does suffer from snap-oversteer. Sometimes it's difficult to provoke rotation, in the slower sections, and in the faster section the car can snap round quicker than you can control it. Feathering the throttle and liberal doses of the e-brake helped. I'd need another 5 laps to be sure of shaving that extra time off though.
Well done sir, a brave effort
NEWDRIVER2
SILVIA 240RS (S110) '83
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 1:15.744 (Lap 5/5)
Another brave effort. There's much to enjoy about this car. Sounds good and goes well. Does suffer from corner exit oversteer is the slower sections and will spin from mid corner onwards in the faster sections. Care throttle control will get you through though.
I would expect with a few more laps, I could get this down into the 1:14s, which is on par with my Focus, so well done, Sir...
Thank you Sir for the rate and for the lap time iam happey that you beat my time by ( 1 sec ) in Rally car and by ( 2 sec ) in Road car 👍 . I see that you enjoy the ride its just Clueless Garage Car to put a smill on the face of the Drivers
Thank you again . 👍Have a good day
Sam
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
What I did was downloaded everything to my computer and reuploaded them to my picture host (Picasa in my case). I then linked preview size images to the full res version. Somewhat a pain with the small space to type in for the poll choices but not terrible to do. Typing it all out in Notepad or something first would make it much easier.
I'm happy to help of course. Let me know if you need assistance.
For photos, I think we need everyone to submit one photo of each car. I may have to combine them into one photo (both cars) to then post on the photo mode poll. Thoughts?
- 2,623
- Pompey
- CyKosis1973
Thank you Sir for the rate and for the lap time iam happey that you beat my time by ( 1 sec ) in Rally car and by ( 2 sec ) in Road car 👍 . I see that you enjoy the ride its just Clueless Garage Car to put a smill on the face of the Drivers
Have a good day
Sam
My pleasure. I enjoy driving the cars, it's always interesting to see what other people do 👍
I've only taken the one picture, the Escort one attached to my build. I'm happy to take another of the Focus. How about two polls, one for the rally cars and another for the road cars..??
{Cy}
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
The Outlaw Motorsports Garage tunes
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car, "O-Hacchibakku II"
Some time back MotorCityHamilton started talking about hosting some sort of Rally/Street car shootout. Well his time in the F.I.T.T. calendar finally arrived. With a new scoring method that includes a variety of bonus points for certain combinations of the classic cars Ol'Harvey Wallbanger here was eager to get busy testing. Well despite some rather interesting and or downright scary cars from the 80s, the Wallbanger just wasn't satisfied with their performance, even when they provided bonus points. So he decided to look at some of the newer cars. Some immediate improvement in performance was there but the cars seemed to lack a bit of soul. A careful check of the eligible cars showed the CZ-3 Tarmac concept cars. Now here was something with a bit more character. Unfortunately it seemed Ol'Harvey's extensive garage was short the Rally version, luckily MCH was able to provide one for the Wallbanger to test. Very good performance to start with sealed the deal as far as Ol'Harvey was concerned and he proclaimed them "O-Hacchibakku" or "Great Hachback" in English. Go ahead and grab your own set of these and let Ol'Harvey Wallbanger and the Outlaw Motorsports Garage help you turn them into "O-Hacchibakku", I guarantee you won't be disappointed!
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Stock
Wheels: Stock
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: None
Window Weight Reduction: No
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: No
Engine Tuning: None
Intake Manifold: -
Air Filter: -
Exhaust Manifold: -
Catalytic Converter: -
Exhaust: Stock
Turbo Kit: None
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: -
Flywheel: -
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: Torque Sensing
Drive Shaft: -
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Dirt
The Tune
Aerodynamics: 5/6
Ballast: 0kg at 0
Power Limiter: 100.0%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.418,
2nd=1.975,
3rd=1.414,
4th=1.071,
5th=0.800,
5) Set Final gear to 5.500
Should display an indicated top speed of 116mph in upper right corner.
LSD Front Initial 40, Acceleration 30, Braking 40
LSD Rear Initial 15, Acceleration 15, Braking 30
Torque Sensing Center Differential Front 50, Rear 50
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 3.2, Rear 1.8
Toe Angle Front 0.00, Rear +0.30
Ride Height Front -45, Rear -25
Spring Rate Front 12.0, Rear 9.0
Dampers (Extension) Front 1, Rear 1
Dampers (Compression) Front 1, Rear 1
Anti-Roll Bars Front 7, Rear 7
Brakes Front 3, Rear 3
The car has 500PP, weighs 1,200Kg with a 55/45 front/rear weight distribution, has 330HP and produces 394ft-lb torque@3,500rpm with a 7,000rpm redline.
Notes: Car is tuned for the Eiger Nordwand G Trail (Reverse) track. This is strictly a gravel tune!
Note 2: The Wallbanger was running low 2:01s consistently while tuning with a best lap of 2:00.284
Enjoy the ride and as Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!
Reviews and/or additional photos
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car, "O-Hacchibakku II"
Some time back MotorCityHamilton started talking about hosting some sort of Rally/Street car shootout. Well his time in the F.I.T.T. calendar finally arrived. With a new scoring method that includes a variety of bonus points for certain combinations of the classic cars Ol'Harvey Wallbanger here was eager to get busy testing. Well despite some rather interesting and or downright scary cars from the 80s, the Wallbanger just wasn't satisfied with their performance, even when they provided bonus points. So he decided to look at some of the newer cars. Some immediate improvement in performance was there but the cars seemed to lack a bit of soul. A careful check of the eligible cars showed the CZ-3 Tarmac concept cars. Now here was something with a bit more character. Unfortunately it seemed Ol'Harvey's extensive garage was short the Rally version, luckily MCH was able to provide one for the Wallbanger to test. Very good performance to start with sealed the deal as far as Ol'Harvey was concerned and he proclaimed them "O-Hacchibakku" or "Great Hachback" in English. Go ahead and grab your own set of these and let Ol'Harvey Wallbanger and the Outlaw Motorsports Garage help you turn them into "O-Hacchibakku", I guarantee you won't be disappointed!
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Stock
Wheels: Stock
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: None
Window Weight Reduction: No
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: No
Engine Tuning: None
Intake Manifold: -
Air Filter: -
Exhaust Manifold: -
Catalytic Converter: -
Exhaust: Stock
Turbo Kit: None
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: -
Flywheel: -
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: Torque Sensing
Drive Shaft: -
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Dirt
The Tune
Aerodynamics: 5/6
Ballast: 0kg at 0
Power Limiter: 100.0%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.418,
2nd=1.975,
3rd=1.414,
4th=1.071,
5th=0.800,
5) Set Final gear to 5.500
Should display an indicated top speed of 116mph in upper right corner.
LSD Front Initial 40, Acceleration 30, Braking 40
LSD Rear Initial 15, Acceleration 15, Braking 30
Torque Sensing Center Differential Front 50, Rear 50
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 3.2, Rear 1.8
Toe Angle Front 0.00, Rear +0.30
Ride Height Front -45, Rear -25
Spring Rate Front 12.0, Rear 9.0
Dampers (Extension) Front 1, Rear 1
Dampers (Compression) Front 1, Rear 1
Anti-Roll Bars Front 7, Rear 7
Brakes Front 3, Rear 3
The car has 500PP, weighs 1,200Kg with a 55/45 front/rear weight distribution, has 330HP and produces 394ft-lb torque@3,500rpm with a 7,000rpm redline.
Notes: Car is tuned for the Eiger Nordwand G Trail (Reverse) track. This is strictly a gravel tune!
Note 2: The Wallbanger was running low 2:01s consistently while tuning with a best lap of 2:00.284
Enjoy the ride and as Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!
Reviews and/or additional photos
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
The Outlaw Motorsports Garage tunes
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01, "O-Hacchibakku"
Some time back MotorCityHamilton started talking about hosting some sort of Rally/Street car shootout. Well his time in the F.I.T.T. calendar finally arrived. With a new scoring method that includes a variety of bonus points for certain combinations of the classic cars Ol'Harvey Wallbanger here was eager to get busy testing. Well despite some rather interesting and or downright scary cars from the 80s, the Wallbanger just wasn't satisfied with their performance, even when they provided bonus points. So he decided to look at some of the newer cars. Some immediate improvement in performance was there but the cars seemed to lack a bit of soul. A careful check of the eligible cars showed the CZ-3 Tarmac concept cars. Now here was something with a bit more character. Unfortunately it seemed Ol'Harvey's extensive garage was short the Rally version, luckily MCH was able to provide one for the Wallbanger to test. Very good performance to start with sealed the deal as far as Ol'Harvey was concerned and he proclaimed them "O-Hacchibakku" or "Great Hachback" in English. Go ahead and grab your own set of these and let Ol'Harvey Wallbanger and the Outlaw Motorsports Garage help you turn them into "O-Hacchibakku". We guarantee you won't be disappointed!
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Red Metallic (Paint by Mitsubishi)
Wheels: Rays Volk Racing RE30 (Bright Chrome finish)
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction: Yes
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: No
Engine Tuning: None
Intake Manifold: Stock
Air Filter: Stock
Exhaust Manifold: Stock
Catalytic Converter: Stock
Exhaust: Sports
Turbo Kit: None
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: Twin-Plate
Flywheel: Semi-Racing
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: Torque Sensing
Drive Shaft: Carbon
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Sports Hard
The Tune
Aerodynamics: -/-
Ballast: 92kg at +50
Power Limiter: 96.2%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.708,
2nd=2.212,
3rd=1.585,
4th=1.201,
5th=0.959,
5) Set Final gear to 4.600
Should display an indicated top speed of 125mph in upper right corner.
LSD Front Initial 10, Acceleration 10, Braking 15
LSD Rear Initial 20, Acceleration 20, Braking 40
Torque Sensing Center Differential Front 50, Rear 50
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 3.6, Rear 2.6
Toe Angle Front 0.00, Rear 0.00
Ride Height Front 0, Rear -25
Spring Rate Front 11.6, Rear 9.2
Dampers (Extension) Front 7, Rear 3
Dampers (Compression) Front 6, Rear 2
Anti-Roll Bars Front 3, Rear 6
Brakes Front 0, Rear 6
The car has 450PP, weighs 1,114Kg with a 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, has 242HP and produces 241ft-lb torque@3,100rpm with a 7,600rpm redline.
Notes: Car is tuned for the Eiger Nordwand Short track. You'll need to adjust the Final Gear on tracks where higher speeds are possible.
Note 2: The Wallbanger found that letting the rear end slip out slightly in the right hand sweeper at the bottom of the course prior to the the tunnel produced his best laps. For most of the rest of the course you want to keep the rear tucked in with only very minimal or no slip in the first sectors hairpins. Should run very low 1:13s no problem and Ol'Harvey Wallbanger here has managed a best lap of 1:12.736.
Enjoy the ride and as Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!
Reviews and/or additional photos
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01, "O-Hacchibakku"
Some time back MotorCityHamilton started talking about hosting some sort of Rally/Street car shootout. Well his time in the F.I.T.T. calendar finally arrived. With a new scoring method that includes a variety of bonus points for certain combinations of the classic cars Ol'Harvey Wallbanger here was eager to get busy testing. Well despite some rather interesting and or downright scary cars from the 80s, the Wallbanger just wasn't satisfied with their performance, even when they provided bonus points. So he decided to look at some of the newer cars. Some immediate improvement in performance was there but the cars seemed to lack a bit of soul. A careful check of the eligible cars showed the CZ-3 Tarmac concept cars. Now here was something with a bit more character. Unfortunately it seemed Ol'Harvey's extensive garage was short the Rally version, luckily MCH was able to provide one for the Wallbanger to test. Very good performance to start with sealed the deal as far as Ol'Harvey was concerned and he proclaimed them "O-Hacchibakku" or "Great Hachback" in English. Go ahead and grab your own set of these and let Ol'Harvey Wallbanger and the Outlaw Motorsports Garage help you turn them into "O-Hacchibakku". We guarantee you won't be disappointed!
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Red Metallic (Paint by Mitsubishi)
Wheels: Rays Volk Racing RE30 (Bright Chrome finish)
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction: Yes
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: No
Engine Tuning: None
Intake Manifold: Stock
Air Filter: Stock
Exhaust Manifold: Stock
Catalytic Converter: Stock
Exhaust: Sports
Turbo Kit: None
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: Twin-Plate
Flywheel: Semi-Racing
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: Torque Sensing
Drive Shaft: Carbon
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Sports Hard
The Tune
Aerodynamics: -/-
Ballast: 92kg at +50
Power Limiter: 96.2%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.708,
2nd=2.212,
3rd=1.585,
4th=1.201,
5th=0.959,
5) Set Final gear to 4.600
Should display an indicated top speed of 125mph in upper right corner.
LSD Front Initial 10, Acceleration 10, Braking 15
LSD Rear Initial 20, Acceleration 20, Braking 40
Torque Sensing Center Differential Front 50, Rear 50
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 3.6, Rear 2.6
Toe Angle Front 0.00, Rear 0.00
Ride Height Front 0, Rear -25
Spring Rate Front 11.6, Rear 9.2
Dampers (Extension) Front 7, Rear 3
Dampers (Compression) Front 6, Rear 2
Anti-Roll Bars Front 3, Rear 6
Brakes Front 0, Rear 6
The car has 450PP, weighs 1,114Kg with a 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, has 242HP and produces 241ft-lb torque@3,100rpm with a 7,600rpm redline.
Notes: Car is tuned for the Eiger Nordwand Short track. You'll need to adjust the Final Gear on tracks where higher speeds are possible.
Note 2: The Wallbanger found that letting the rear end slip out slightly in the right hand sweeper at the bottom of the course prior to the the tunnel produced his best laps. For most of the rest of the course you want to keep the rear tucked in with only very minimal or no slip in the first sectors hairpins. Should run very low 1:13s no problem and Ol'Harvey Wallbanger here has managed a best lap of 1:12.736.
Enjoy the ride and as Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!
Reviews and/or additional photos
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Both cars should be on share.👍👍
Make no promises for the street cars performance as the medication I'm currently on has me all messed up. Think its good and that I've got the tune I used for my best lap on it but...
Make no promises for the street cars performance as the medication I'm currently on has me all messed up. Think its good and that I've got the tune I used for my best lap on it but...
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