Did a plane crash into the Pentagon?

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I don't know a Boeing 757 going 530mph 2 feet above the ground? And what's up with the FBI taking all the vids. and the one video that plane or "missle" was too small to be a boeing 757 and also it's a pilot that can't fly so he couldn't have been so skilled to fly an airplane 2 feet above the ground at over 500mph. I do not believe it's a Boeing 757 that hit the pentagon... It was something else.
 
This topic has been covered myriad different ways everywhere. If it wasn't a plane, tell the people on that plane, they didn't die.

By popular demand, I'll re-open it

My PM to bustwave after he ASked me about it.
No, I closed it because a quick google for Was it a plane that hit the pentagon yielded clues, discussion and rhetoric above and beyond the site you posted.

The discussion you posted will be hashed and rehashed for ages to come. There are people that still debate the japanese attack at Pearl Harbor and the Moon landing.

I don't mind a discussion about the possibility of it being a conspiracy, but you gave no reason why you believe it was. There are analysts and accountants that can prove Forrest Gump lost money. We're all pretty damn sure OJ did it, but his lawyers still showed other wise. I'd suggest following that link above and spending a few more hours developing why you think it was a conspiracy and links to facts that back up your theory.

Then, I'll happily unlock that thread.

AO
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Again, we can debate this as long as the Moon landing has been debated. All things considered, we'll still be debating it after a someone blows up a bus in downtown Seattle.

AO
 
If you don't think it was a plane, what happened to all the people that disappeared on that "object". Did they just vanish.
 
If it wasn't a plane, if it was a missile then there wasn't anyone on it. The planethat got hijacked went off the radar 45 miles away frm the pentagon. While it was off the radar it could've gone anywhere and not been tracked. However if you read the other argument you'd see that Neon Duke has given me a stisactory answer to my questions and since he's the planes buff I'm not stupid enough to argue black is white with him.
 
live4speed
If it wasn't a plane, if it was a missile then there wasn't anyone on it. The planethat got hijacked went off the radar 45 miles away frm the pentagon. While it was off the radar it could've gone anywhere and not been tracked.
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That still doesn't answer the question of "Where is the plan and it's passengers?" If the plane went elsewhere, then it had to have gone down somewhere else. Where is that?

And the engines of a 747 would not damage a runway. If they did most major airports would need to repair their runways constantly since they have large amounts of 747s taking off at full thrust daily.
 
Does anyone know how many passengers were actually recovered? That could tell us what kind of plane it was.

I'll google it right now...

edit: 64 passengers... (search "64" on that page)
 
The359
And the engines of a 747 would not damage a runway. If they did most major airports would need to repair their runways constantly since they have large amounts of 747s taking off at full thrust daily.
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I can't elieve your carrying this on in her, yes they would. Go and check it up, watch some TV about jet engines or something but go and find the bloody answer rather than arguing what you think as opposed to what you know, because I know that a 747 engine can tear up tarmac on a runway.
 
cardude2004
If you don't think it was a plane, what happened to all the people that disappeared on that "object". Did they just vanish.
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Well, you did see the holes it left? I think it was a small private jet...
 
live4speed
If it wasn't a plane, if it was a missile then there wasn't anyone on it. The planethat got hijacked went off the radar 45 miles away frm the pentagon. While it was off the radar it could've gone anywhere and not been tracked. However if you read the other argument you'd see that Neon Duke has given me a stisactory answer to my questions and since he's the planes buff I'm not stupid enough to argue black is white with him.
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This is where the argument falls apart. If that plane didn't crash into the building "what happened to the people?"

So it went off radar 45 miles from where it crashed. It could have gone anywhere. as long as it stayed under radar. So it went 400 miles east to a hidden airport, landed, off loaded 64 passengers (What happened to them? Mass grave?), and then was subsequently dismantled and disposed of to hide its entire existance?

Or did the US government get all the airhandlers and radar operators and airline personnel to believe that the plane existed when in fact it didn't and they had a guy in a van with a rocket that shot the pentagon?

AO
 
Darin
Well, you did see the holes it left? I think it was a small private jet...
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Well, explain how the airport, the radar operators and the airline itself confused a small plane carrying a handful of passengers with a plane carrying 64 people.

Stop thinking of it as a plane. Think of it as an airliner with 64 people on it. If you can't explain where those 64 people went, you have no theory.

AO
 
Obviously both sides of the story have holes in them and personally, I really can't tell you what I think. The hole made by the plane sure doesn't look like a 747 hit it, but then again something must have happened to those 64 people. Obviously something is there that we don't know about. Even if we did, it probably wouldn't help us to know, it would probably just cause more fear or anger.
 
Umm... How could they tell that those 64 people were passengers and not employees of the Pentagon or construction workers? Their remains must of been incredibly damaged by the crash. How could they tell?
 
ugh...

A BOEING 747 DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON, NOR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, NOR CRASH INTO PENNSYLVANIA

The planes were smaller Boeing 757s and 767s.

The Boeing 757 is 155ft long/124ft wide, the Boeing 767 is 159ft long/156ft wide, the Boeing 747 is 225ft long/195ft wide. Big difference.

Also notice that the windows you see on the Pentagon are not your average windows:
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This is not a small hole at all.

Here is an image produced by Purdue University engineers about what caused the damage pattern to the Pentagon. Notice the size of the plane relative to the hole. Also notice that the plane is not flying level, and at an angle, meaning the hole wouldn't be as wide.

Also, tell me again there was no damage to the ground around the Pentagon...anyone noticing a lack of grass?
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Also notice you can tell where the wings hit, both sides of the "hole" shows damage on the ground floor from the wings.

More damage:
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So, besides this stupid flash animation, where are your facts?

Lack of airline fuel? Easy, you can clearly see the emergency vehicles covering the area with foam, which meant that the massive fire was unable to break out like it was in the WTC, which could not have it's fire combated. Airline parts? Clearly there, many pieces were found in the lawn.
 
If both sides of the ground floor show damage it couldn't have been flying at an angle. And the reason for the lack of grass was due to the fact that is was covered up by sand.->
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Here's a pic before it was covered
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Also, the hole shown in many pictures is after the wall collapsed, showing a much larger than actual hole. Here's a picture shortly after the crash which shows no evidence of such a large hole. However I am skeptical of wheter it is of the exact are where the plane hit.
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Go here for more info- http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/images/facade-intacte-1.jpg
 
Do you see the height of the wings in the Purdue diagram? 1st floor. Do you notice the damage to the first floor in all the pictures, even pre-collapse? The only real hole would be from the fuselage, which can clearly be seen.

And you seem to think that the airliner DRAGGED along the lawn when in fact it didn't, it probably didn't hit the ground until the nose was already up against the building. Not only that, but the part that would touch would be ONLY the engine.

Do you not notice in the picture showing ground damage that the 1st floor above the burning car is clearly taken out?
 
Der Alta
Well, explain how the airport, the radar operators and the airline itself confused a small plane carrying a handful of passengers with a plane carrying 64 people.

Stop thinking of it as a plane. Think of it as an airliner with 64 people on it. If you can't explain where those 64 people went, you have no theory.

AO
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Now thats something I can't do.

But man chill, you seem to not be yourself this evening. I just said what I thought.
 
usernamed
Umm... How could they tell that those 64 people were passengers and not employees of the Pentagon or construction workers? Their remains must of been incredibly damaged by the crash. How could they tell?
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Umm... A passenger list of the people on the flight? Verified by the airline, ticket transactions, as well as family members that dropped people off at the airport.

People know that plane took off. Radar, GPS and the black box verify that it hit the pentagon. Or should we add in that while they were dismantling the plane they doctored the black box up and placed it at the crash site? While hundreds of people looked on?

C'mon people think for a few moments on your own and don't let the media spoon feed you everything.

AO
 
Darin
Now thats something I can't do.

But man chill, you seem to not be yourself this evening. I just said what I thought.
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No, I'm severly pissed off. And yes, you are part of the problem. In a matter of moments the Emergency forum posted by Jordan degenerated into a 7th grade boys locker room. Complete with appropriate language.

I've spent nearly 3 years at GTP and I've tried since then and even more so after becoming a moderator to make this place a destination known for it's skilled drifters, fast racers and reputation of being a stand up place.

In less than 1 hour after the advent of the emergency forum it went way to far south. I'm not far from banning myself to avoid the misery of watching GTP succumb to it's own success.

So am I not myself? No, that helpful guy I used to be is quite frustrated and really pissed.

AO
 
I chose to bot believe pretty much everything in that flash video. None of the quotes are cited and he/she does not back up any of the info with formal documents. Anybody could type a few random quotes for a random flash and include some random information. So therefore, with the lack of formaly supported information, I chose not to believe this foolish flash created by a bored conspirator.
 
Der Alta
No, I'm severly pissed off. And yes, you are part of the problem. In a matter of moments the Emergency forum posted by Jordan degenerated into a 7th grade boys locker room. Complete with appropriate language.

I've spent nearly 3 years at GTP and I've tried since then and even more so after becoming a moderator to make this place a destination known for it's skilled drifters, fast racers and reputation of being a stand up place.

In less than 1 hour after the advent of the emergency forum it went way to far south. I'm not far from banning myself to avoid the misery of watching GTP succumb to it's own success.

So am I not myself? No, that helpful guy I used to be is quite frustrated and really pissed.

AO
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I think one thing you have to realize is that a lot of the people that post here are underage, just starting highschool, or are in middleschool. Going from that, they're probably going to act that way, and jump on any chance to be stupid. There are also many immature members here that we all have to deal with, and that's just how some people are. The fact that it's the internet doesn't help matters more considering people feel like they can act any way they want to simply because they can hide behind a computer screen. I've been a member here for over 2 years, and I've always felt the GTP should extend the "Ban" finger more often, and faster. It took forever for you guys to get rid of idiots like that Firebird guy, Shinez, and TercelTurd. Actions that people take over at the emergency site should be responded to the same way they are responded to here. Uhm...that's one of the longest posts I've ever made here. Woot. I'll go back to lurkin now :D
 
Der Alta
No, I'm severly pissed off. And yes, you are part of the problem. In a matter of moments the Emergency forum posted by Jordan degenerated into a 7th grade boys locker room. Complete with appropriate language.

I've spent nearly 3 years at GTP and I've tried since then and even more so after becoming a moderator to make this place a destination known for it's skilled drifters, fast racers and reputation of being a stand up place.

In less than 1 hour after the advent of the emergency forum it went way to far south. I'm not far from banning myself to avoid the misery of watching GTP succumb to it's own success.

So am I not myself? No, that helpful guy I used to be is quite frustrated and really pissed.

AO
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Someone foret to take their medication this morning? :odd:
 
Some of you are seriously ****ing stupid. Though not surprisingly the really stupid members are the only ones who believe this bull****.
 
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