◆ SNAIL [DriveTrain Challenge - DTC] Racing - Closed
- Thread starter jobyone
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- Windsor, Ont
- GTP_NishRacer
@JoeW I can't not tune, each car that I've had to use for the Spec series so far I've fixed the weight distribution and tuned it to 3 separate performance points and I plan on taking your crown 
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I didn't notice this part in your earlier post "But feel free to try and use all your PP. Giving up 12pp is a lot at this level
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Yeah I thought it was too but tried to stick to my original plan. Maybe I'll try to find a faster in one of the drive trains. I'll likely have to go with 4wd for that sadly, unless I find a faster MR.
@88GTA I highly expect this to happen. The way it usually goes for me is qualify well, fly off the track early in the race, run fast laps by myself at the back of the pack, catch up, rinse, repeat.
Edit: New list
FR 1970 GT-R2000 (Hakosuka
) 379PP
MR 1986 MR2 1600 G 359PP
FF 1998 Corolla Trueno BZ-R 393
4WD 2000 Storia X4 369PP
New Total: 1500 solid
What are the tracks and order they will appear?
I can see the quali will be on Monza but that's about it. Feel free to make me look stupid by pointing to the list. I'm guessing it's the 4 blue tracks. If those are the 4 tracks are we allowed to use any of our cars for qualifying on Monza? Too many questions? So confused
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.I didn't notice this part in your earlier post "But feel free to try and use all your PP. Giving up 12pp is a lot at this level
".Yeah I thought it was too but tried to stick to my original plan. Maybe I'll try to find a faster in one of the drive trains. I'll likely have to go with 4wd for that sadly, unless I find a faster MR.
@88GTA I highly expect this to happen. The way it usually goes for me is qualify well, fly off the track early in the race, run fast laps by myself at the back of the pack, catch up, rinse, repeat.
Edit: New list
FR 1970 GT-R2000 (Hakosuka
) 379PPMR 1986 MR2 1600 G 359PP
FF 1998 Corolla Trueno BZ-R 393
4WD 2000 Storia X4 369PP
New Total: 1500 solid
What are the tracks and order they will appear?
I can see the quali will be on Monza but that's about it. Feel free to make me look stupid by pointing to the list. I'm guessing it's the 4 blue tracks. If those are the 4 tracks are we allowed to use any of our cars for qualifying on Monza? Too many questions? So confused
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- 1,106
- Georgia
- Kendawg198
A bit confusing for the first time. It is good to run a few races and not get frustrated. It will sink in later and you will get better at picking cars and having lots of fun.
The winner of the first race gets to pick the next track from the list. Then the winner of that race gets to pick the next track after that and etc. So, no one knows what the 2nd through 4th race tracks are. That is one of the nice twist of the game.
The winner of the first race gets to pick the next track from the list. Then the winner of that race gets to pick the next track after that and etc. So, no one knows what the 2nd through 4th race tracks are. That is one of the nice twist of the game.
- 3,334
- NJ
- koszak27
I was told there is a chance I could make it Tuesday but I'll believe it when I hear it at 9:55pm right before the race.
FF - Pontiac Vibe GT '03 382pp
4WD - Honda Element '03 344pp
FR - Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '04 389pp
MR - Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02 385pp
During the 25 minutes of testing I got yesterday at Monza with weather, I saw the surface water steadily rise from 0% to 36% in 17 minutes and then the rain started to slow down. By 19 minutes total time, the rain had stopped and the track was back down to 16% surface water.
Settings were 100% weather, 0% surface water at start and 1% changeability. It made me really wish we had an event creator.
I was testing cars around 380pp and had lap times ranging from high 2:28s to low 2:38s depending on surface water and tire. Two things will make or break this race for you: the number of laps we run and the tires you pick to start the race. We should decide on a fixed lap number before Tuesday because it will be important with the weather.
FF - Pontiac Vibe GT '03 382pp
4WD - Honda Element '03 344pp
FR - Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '04 389pp
MR - Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02 385pp
During the 25 minutes of testing I got yesterday at Monza with weather, I saw the surface water steadily rise from 0% to 36% in 17 minutes and then the rain started to slow down. By 19 minutes total time, the rain had stopped and the track was back down to 16% surface water.
Settings were 100% weather, 0% surface water at start and 1% changeability. It made me really wish we had an event creator.
I was testing cars around 380pp and had lap times ranging from high 2:28s to low 2:38s depending on surface water and tire. Two things will make or break this race for you: the number of laps we run and the tires you pick to start the race. We should decide on a fixed lap number before Tuesday because it will be important with the weather.
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- bloodredsky
So quick question, is anyone here going to share info on what happened with each tire testing in the rain ? I'm not talking for myself/more for the group as a whole. I mean I've tested and it seems like one tire strategy is going to dominate completely, whilst if you choose one specific other tire strategy, I can see you DNF'ing(compared to the other tire strategy). I don't mean to sound too...friendly...but I just wanted to make sure everyone knows that, it seems, there's a massive difference between tire strategies.
Just let me say this : to anyone who doesn't plan on testing a whole lot, make sure you realize you can run SH all race and start fast and finish slow/ or run CS and start slow and finish fast/ also remember you can pick a FF and run CS on the front/SH on rear, for more grip at the front end in the latter half of the race/or pick a FR and run SH on on the front/CS on rear...etc,etc...
I just don't wanna see half the field pick the wrong tires and be a no show because of it. That would be a shame. This is the first time there's a split tire choice(for me), so just make sure you know how a certain cars' lap times are going to be effected (over 8 laps) with what tires vs the other tire choices. It would suck for someone to have a bad finish all because they chose the wrong tires. Just a heads up.
Just let me say this : to anyone who doesn't plan on testing a whole lot, make sure you realize you can run SH all race and start fast and finish slow/ or run CS and start slow and finish fast/ also remember you can pick a FF and run CS on the front/SH on rear, for more grip at the front end in the latter half of the race/or pick a FR and run SH on on the front/CS on rear...etc,etc...
I just don't wanna see half the field pick the wrong tires and be a no show because of it. That would be a shame. This is the first time there's a split tire choice(for me), so just make sure you know how a certain cars' lap times are going to be effected (over 8 laps) with what tires vs the other tire choices. It would suck for someone to have a bad finish all because they chose the wrong tires. Just a heads up.
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- bloodredsky
I guess the main thing to know, is that if you run SH then obviously the first couple laps your going to be noticeably faster than any car on CS....BUT after a couple laps, and the track surface wetness gets higher and higher, the CS cars are going to start running faster laps than the SH cars.
So you gotta ask yourself if the SH cars are going to get a big enough lead to win, running their fastest laps at the first of the race, or are the CS tire cars going to fade a bit at the first of the race, then , running their fastest laps at the end of the race, come flying by all the SH cars at the end ? Or - third and forth tire strategy - CS/SH or SH/CS) Which is fastest ? Figure it out, because it's important.
So you gotta ask yourself if the SH cars are going to get a big enough lead to win, running their fastest laps at the first of the race, or are the CS tire cars going to fade a bit at the first of the race, then , running their fastest laps at the end of the race, come flying by all the SH cars at the end ? Or - third and forth tire strategy - CS/SH or SH/CS) Which is fastest ? Figure it out, because it's important.
- 3,613
- New England
- jobyone71
You may run with a tire grade lower than the max tire grade. The choice is yours
Ken is that time for apricot hill correct? that makes the average speed around 60mph which seems pretty slow
As for track groupings
We have two options.
The First would be to evenly distribute the tracks by speed. This would give us groupings like this
Group A
La Sarthe
Daytona Road Course
Indy Road Course
Mt Panorama
Deep Forest
Group B
Suzuka
Apricot Hill
Trial Mt
Grand Valley
Siverstone GP
Group C
Twin Ring Motegi
Laguna Seca
Eiger Short
Tsukuba
Ascari
The other option is to group them so each group has Fast and Slow Tracks
Group A
La Sarthe
Deep Forest
Silverstone GP
Grand Valley
Ascari
Group B
Daytona Road Course
Suzuka
Apricot Hill
Twin Ring Motegi
Eiger Shourt
Group C
Indy Road Course
Mt Panorama
Trial Mtn
laguna Seca
Tsukuba
What do you guys think?
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- bloodredsky
Real quick noob question from the new guy: the artificial turf at Monza, the teal/black colored area on the outside of the curbs, what's the deal with that area, as far as racing goes ?
I guess the real question I have is: do your inside tires have to be[at the very most] a)touching the racing surface[inside of the white line] b) touching the white line [outside of the racing surface] c) touching the curbs [outside of the white line] , or finally , d) touching the white line on the outside of the curbs. ????
I know enough to know that you are not allowed to go all four tires outside of the white line on the outside of the curbs [in other words, going all four tires on the green/black artificial turf] but more or less was just wondering what the boundaries were. I know it's pretty insignificant, more or less half a car width, but when exiting, that can be a lot of extra speed, especially at Monza.
I guess the real question I have is: do your inside tires have to be[at the very most] a)touching the racing surface[inside of the white line] b) touching the white line [outside of the racing surface] c) touching the curbs [outside of the white line] , or finally , d) touching the white line on the outside of the curbs. ????
I know enough to know that you are not allowed to go all four tires outside of the white line on the outside of the curbs [in other words, going all four tires on the green/black artificial turf] but more or less was just wondering what the boundaries were. I know it's pretty insignificant, more or less half a car width, but when exiting, that can be a lot of extra speed, especially at Monza.
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- bloodredsky
OK right on thanks Tez. This first race is going to be a lot of fun, I think.
If anyone doesn't know it yet, (and I hate to ruin the surprise) but CS are looking like to go to tire for race1, as sport hard look like they fall off a cliff of performance after a couple laps, given the surface wetness. Prove me wrong though.
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If anyone doesn't know it yet, (and I hate to ruin the surprise) but CS are looking like to go to tire for race1, as sport hard look like they fall off a cliff of performance after a couple laps, given the surface wetness. Prove me wrong though.
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- 2,012
- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
Well that depends on how the weather goes, doesn't it?
I tested yesterday (offline admittedly) and had to reload the settings five times before the rain actually stayed. The first four it got up to 9% surface water at the most before stopping and not returning so SH would definitely be faster then
I tested yesterday (offline admittedly) and had to reload the settings five times before the rain actually stayed. The first four it got up to 9% surface water at the most before stopping and not returning so SH would definitely be faster then
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- bloodredsky
See hearing this is super weird, because I've ran the test many times, and I get the exact same results every single time - which is that the track surface wetness gets about 10% more wet each lap, consistently, until the end of the race. Doesn't 1 changeability mean that is basically it has a 1% chance of doing anything other than it pouring all race , with the track wetness gradually, steadily increasing ? Or am I thinking this wrong ?
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- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
No, the changeability number just affects how quickly the weather can change. If we chucked it on 10, we'd probably see it go something like 100% surface water by lap 2 or 3 and back to 0% a couple laps after that before getting up to 50% by the end of the race (which should be 8 laps here).
Edit: back to the shortcutting penalties. If it's a mistake, then you won't be given anything. However, if you want to avoid getting a penalty, then you have to lift off the throttle fully for a second or so....that's what we do as that shows you are not taking advantage of the potential speed gained by shortcutting.
Edit: back to the shortcutting penalties. If it's a mistake, then you won't be given anything. However, if you want to avoid getting a penalty, then you have to lift off the throttle fully for a second or so....that's what we do as that shows you are not taking advantage of the potential speed gained by shortcutting.
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