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- tezgm99
Joby compiles a list of cars that are used a lot, not sure when the last time he posted it however.
◆ SNAIL [DriveTrain Challenge - DTC] Racing - Closed
- Thread starter jobyone
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Joby compiles a list of cars that are used a lot, not sure when the last time he posted it however.
- 3,613
- New England
- jobyone71
Sorry I did not make it to the room last night. I hope you all had fun.
The Core
Thanks for all the comments about the pros and cons of the league. I think it has allowed me consolidate my thinking to what the core uniqueness of the league are
1. Racing 4 cars of your choosing (within the PP range for the night and one from each drivetrain)
2. Racing on 1 pre chosen qualifying track and 3 random tracks (from an approved list)
3. Choosing when you race your cars.
As long as we do this I think the league will survive. The details can change as long as we keep those 3 things intact.
Adding to the Experience
I would love to have another night of racing. If people were going to race another night what days and times work for people?
I am also keen on other events that could be sponsored by the DTC so if you want to try an organize and host one lets here the ideas. I think it would be good if at least one element of the event came from the core 3 elements of the DTC.
Addressing The Elephant in the room
I am glad we are starting to build up the number of participants. With that does bring some issues especially as new people get settled in to the rhythm of the series. Obviously there will be some rough patches. Lets try to deal with on track issues as mature adults and hopefully we can all continue to enjoy the series.
As for choosing the fast cars. There is nothing wrong with choosing a lineup to win the night. Heck that is the whole point. If you want to choose the 4 fastest cars go for it. I think what some of the regulars found is having the fast car in the hands of a fast driver does not lead to the best racing. Since we only have one division the skill level of the series does vary. So many of the fast regulars are self adjusting their lineup with the focus on fun rather than outright speed. Neither way is wrong. But I do feel the latter builds a better since of camaraderie.
I would challenge anyone that wins the night to race the next night with a bit less overall pp. So if you when the night by 8 pts try to run the next event 8 points less (or more) than the max. Keep doing that till you have to battle for every position whether you are fighting for 9th or 1st. That will tighten up the racing for everyone involved. Again this is just a suggestion. I just do not want anyone to get bored with the series because they are the fastest racer in the fastest cars.
Dominate Cars
Do people think we should adjust the PP of cars that are shown to be dominate or frequently used?
The Core
Thanks for all the comments about the pros and cons of the league. I think it has allowed me consolidate my thinking to what the core uniqueness of the league are
1. Racing 4 cars of your choosing (within the PP range for the night and one from each drivetrain)
2. Racing on 1 pre chosen qualifying track and 3 random tracks (from an approved list)
3. Choosing when you race your cars.
As long as we do this I think the league will survive. The details can change as long as we keep those 3 things intact.
Adding to the Experience
I would love to have another night of racing. If people were going to race another night what days and times work for people?
I am also keen on other events that could be sponsored by the DTC so if you want to try an organize and host one lets here the ideas. I think it would be good if at least one element of the event came from the core 3 elements of the DTC.
Addressing The Elephant in the room
I am glad we are starting to build up the number of participants. With that does bring some issues especially as new people get settled in to the rhythm of the series. Obviously there will be some rough patches. Lets try to deal with on track issues as mature adults and hopefully we can all continue to enjoy the series.
As for choosing the fast cars. There is nothing wrong with choosing a lineup to win the night. Heck that is the whole point. If you want to choose the 4 fastest cars go for it. I think what some of the regulars found is having the fast car in the hands of a fast driver does not lead to the best racing. Since we only have one division the skill level of the series does vary. So many of the fast regulars are self adjusting their lineup with the focus on fun rather than outright speed. Neither way is wrong. But I do feel the latter builds a better since of camaraderie.
I would challenge anyone that wins the night to race the next night with a bit less overall pp. So if you when the night by 8 pts try to run the next event 8 points less (or more) than the max. Keep doing that till you have to battle for every position whether you are fighting for 9th or 1st. That will tighten up the racing for everyone involved. Again this is just a suggestion. I just do not want anyone to get bored with the series because they are the fastest racer in the fastest cars.
Dominate Cars
Do people think we should adjust the PP of cars that are shown to be dominate or frequently used?
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- New England
- jobyone71
The random winner who gets to choose a new track for the eligible list is
@tezgm99
The tracks in Blue are safe and can not be swapped. All the others are fair game.
Spa Francorchamps
Indy Road Course
Deep Forest Raceway
Silverstone - Grand Prix Circuit
Trial Mountain
Tsukuba
Circuit de la Sarthe (With Chicanes) (Chosen by @racefan78 )
Daytona Road Course (Chosen by @tezgm99 )
Apricot Hill (Chosen by @88GTA )
Mt Panorama (Chosen by @Schmiggz )
Mazda Raceway Leguna Seca(Chosen by @danfurey )
Twin Ring Motegi Road Course(Chosen by @racefan78 - ReplacedMotegi Super Speedway)
Eiger Nordwand short track (Chosen by @Schmiggz - ReplacedBrands Hatch - Indy Circuit)
Ascari (Chosen by @carboneyes - ReplacedWillow Springs - Big Willow)
Grand Valley Full (Chosen by @88GTA - replacedSSR5)
Apologies to @88GTA for not updating the track selection prior to Sundays race. I will keep you selection safe for an additional week.
@tezgm99
The tracks in Blue are safe and can not be swapped. All the others are fair game.
Spa Francorchamps
Indy Road Course
Deep Forest Raceway
Silverstone - Grand Prix Circuit
Trial Mountain
Tsukuba
Circuit de la Sarthe (With Chicanes) (Chosen by @racefan78 )
Daytona Road Course (Chosen by @tezgm99 )
Apricot Hill (Chosen by @88GTA )
Mt Panorama (Chosen by @Schmiggz )
Mazda Raceway Leguna Seca(Chosen by @danfurey )
Twin Ring Motegi Road Course(Chosen by @racefan78 - Replaced
Eiger Nordwand short track (Chosen by @Schmiggz - Replaced
Ascari (Chosen by @carboneyes - Replaced
Grand Valley Full (Chosen by @88GTA - replaced
Apologies to @88GTA for not updating the track selection prior to Sundays race. I will keep you selection safe for an additional week.
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- Albania
I agree with you Koz but what I can't understand, since we've been talking about the HSC, is the mathmatics behind that car's pp.
The performance points of a car is the result of a simple formula envolving the engine power, car weight and natural downforce habilities and after a quick look in my garage, the Acura is immensely superior than all his pp neighbours in these 3 factors. This car should be around 505 to 510pp.
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- Chicago
- danfurey
If you want my perspective from a noob like me, I don't think we should have restrictions on certain cars. The biggest problem we're trying to solve here is leveling the playing field for each race so that everyone has same advantage in each car that is driven so that skill and some strategy wins out. I actually want the best drivers driving the best cars that they feel fit them the best because it gives me a baseline of where I am at and where I need to be to be competitive. I feel like restricts only water down what should be achievable for me. It's kinda like skiing, where trails are rated by symbols and the black diamonds are the hardest. Well what if people feel like the beginners can't do well on the black diamonds and change the slope angles to make it easier. That doesn't tell me how good I need to be to go down a certain slope. Some day I hope to be one of the @bloodredsky s or @kendawg s of the world and be as competitive as they are, but I have to know how good they are without restrictions. Whatever PD sets as the PP for a certain car should be what we go by since we're all on the same playing field when it comes to choosing cars. If you're a good driver and want to choose a car that won't be as fast or as easy to drive, that's fine too. It might also give me a chance to compete against you and learn how to overtake better.
Also, we have a sliding scale of PP ranges every week so it's going to be very difficult to restrict certain cars in the ranges every week and some of it is largely subjective and will only lead to more problems in disagreement between drivers on what car dominates within the range. For example, some may feel that the HSC in the PP ranges we used this week would be the dominant car to one driver, but another driver isn't able to drive it as well so they think it's crap. Also, that car may not be the dominant car if we move the range up 10 PP or even 5 PP, so you're going to have to constantly select cars that are "too" powerful chosen by drivers of different levels of skill and experience. I don't see any good coming from this.
My $0.02.
By the way, where the ****sticks are we going next week, blood?! I'd like some place tropical because here in the MidWest, winter hasn't left and it's almost April!
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- Georgia
- Kendawg198
Very well said Dan. Koszak felt the same way when he started racing with us. And you can see the improvement he has made. Turning the PS on and practicing everynight or much as possible will lead to a better racer. Finding the latest braking point and hitting the apex at each turn is what I practice for in each car and track.
That was free advise.
That was free advise.
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- Tampa, Fl
- Ice_Warden
Why is this so hard to understand?
Pick what you want.
The reason some of us have transcended the use of "magic bullets" is simply because the original fun of the series was the challenge of finding the hidden gems. It took us all awhile going up and down the PP scale to find the gems within the given PP ranges. Months of racing. Once we did, the grids ended up being often populated with these gems. So we got to a point where we were tired of driving the same gems all the time.
So, many of us thought to challenge ourselves by shelving some of these gems and trying to see how well we could do without pulling out the big guns.
This is primarily why I started the comments about how overpowered the HSC is and how it might be nice not to choose the fastest car within 20pp of it just to challenge yourself.
You have only been here 3 weeks. Run whatever you want. Pick the fastest damn cars you can find. Have fun. But when the PP range comes back around to include the gems you discovered, will you choose them every time or will you challenge yourself to drive a "lesser" car?
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- bloodredsky
Monza. With 100% weather and 0% surface wetness. If that's OK with everyone.
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- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
Has to be with as he didn't specify it without....track list is 'Monza' or 'Monza (no chicanes)' after all.
With regards to the weather, the changeability number will have to be set to something other than 0....the track surface stays dry even with 100% rain on 0 so another number is required to see it slowly increase.
With regards to the weather, the changeability number will have to be set to something other than 0....the track surface stays dry even with 100% rain on 0 so another number is required to see it slowly increase.
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- NJ
- koszak27
I will use the Storia POS for that race.
@danfurey
Well said above. You seem to be getting faster already so try to focus on pack racing and defensive driving next, things which unfortunately can't be practiced in time trials or against the AI in A-spec.
When I was first racing in this series I would purposefully pick the bottom of the PP range for at least one car. It would result in having one race in absolute last, just driving around by myself, but the other three races were great. I was able to hang with the faster guys because I had some PP on them and I could practice my racecraft then.
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- Tampa, Fl
- Ice_Warden
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- NJ
- koszak27
@JoeW
100% weather changeability and 0% surface water at start should mean we start dry and end with some amount of weather/wetness on track. With weather at 100% I'm pretty sure this makes it certain that conditions will change but it is still random.
Top of my head line-up:
FF - Suzuki Swift '05 361pp
FR - Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A '04 363pp
MR - MR2 Spyder 6MT '02 385pp
4WD - VW Boring V6 '01 391pp
4 cars from the same decade = I win.
100% weather changeability and 0% surface water at start should mean we start dry and end with some amount of weather/wetness on track. With weather at 100% I'm pretty sure this makes it certain that conditions will change but it is still random.
Top of my head line-up:
FF - Suzuki Swift '05 361pp
FR - Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A '04 363pp
MR - MR2 Spyder 6MT '02 385pp
4WD - VW Boring V6 '01 391pp
4 cars from the same decade = I win.
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- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
Only if the changeability number is something other than 0, koszak. I spent half an hour in a lobby last night with 100% weather, 0% surface wetness and 0 changeability and the surface stayed at 0% the whole time despite it bucketing down with rain. I believe the changeability number determines how quickly the weather can change; 1 being slowly and 10 fast. So I'd say we use 1 or 2 since the choice is to have a wet race.
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- bloodredsky
Yeah sorry for confusion. Monza, normal Monza with chicane. And yes I want it to rain all to hell all race, with surface wetness starting low/nothing and ending (with 100% weather) probably above 50%.
Thanks for the heads up Tez on the weather (bug). I just tested it a bit and you are right, at 100% weather and 0% changeability, no surface water ever happens. I just tested it at 1% changeability and it got to 10% surface wetness in about 3 minutes.
So 100% weather and 1% changeability it is. (With zero surface wetness to start)
I was going to choose Monaco or one of the Matterhorns, but I dunno judging by the Bathurst and Ascari races/I don't think so.
PS : what tires, SH right ?
Thanks for the heads up Tez on the weather (bug). I just tested it a bit and you are right, at 100% weather and 0% changeability, no surface water ever happens. I just tested it at 1% changeability and it got to 10% surface wetness in about 3 minutes.
So 100% weather and 1% changeability it is. (With zero surface wetness to start)
I was going to choose Monaco or one of the Matterhorns, but I dunno judging by the Bathurst and Ascari races/I don't think so.
PS : what tires, SH right ?
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- Tampa, Fl
- Ice_Warden
Yeah. SH.
At the low PP range like we have this week, the track probably doesn't matter much because it's easier to learn them. But at high PP everything is multiplied by 100
So 1% will give us a good amount of surface water? If we want rain and a good amount of water on the track the entire race, what should I set it to?
At the low PP range like we have this week, the track probably doesn't matter much because it's easier to learn them. But at high PP everything is multiplied by 100
So 1% will give us a good amount of surface water? If we want rain and a good amount of water on the track the entire race, what should I set it to?
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- NJ
- koszak27
From what @tezgm99 tested, it sounds like we want 100% weather, 1% changeability and 0% surface water at start. This should give us a dry start while it is raining and the slowest amount of track water build-up. Is that right?
I feel the same way about the Storia so it sounds like our 4WD choices are either the VW Boring V6 or the Diahateyou Storia/Sirion.
@jobyone
I have updated my TotP post here, can you please update the 2nd post and switch over the scoring sheets when you have time? No rush broseph.
I feel the same way about the Storia so it sounds like our 4WD choices are either the VW Boring V6 or the Diahateyou Storia/Sirion.
@jobyone
I have updated my TotP post here, can you please update the 2nd post and switch over the scoring sheets when you have time? No rush broseph.
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- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
I'd suggest we all start on SH....if you want to pit for CS, that should be your choice but you'll lose time doing so and run the risk of the track drying up (tried 3 different rooms last night, 1 stopped at 9% surface water and started to go back down), therefore nullifying your potential advantage.
