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[IceWarden]

Joe, the post where I said "screw it" was basically an edit/delete of the actual post in its place. I was pretty pumped up to throw down with some people here with that post but decided now is not the time. Probably never is the time but I'm ready with it in case it gets ugly in here.

Might as well give it up Joe. Anytime some sort of change is suggested, the extremely vocal minority here jump up and rant and rave about how it's bad etc. OMG! They are going to quit if this rule goes into effect! This little tiny rule that affects 1% of the race...I know...let's lead the charge into battle! Such drama queens. If you quit because of this then you probably won't be missed.

Your comment about how it only affects those who operate in that grey area is right on. Is there any chance that any of those grey area people are in this vocal minority? Rhetorical of course.

Heaven forbid change things to make it easier for people to know right and wrong without filing a complaint. Because I firmly believe less than 10% of the on track incidents actually get filed on.

Sheesh, just stay in line going into turn one without being a dick. Wait a freaking second for everyone to get through cleanly because no one likes their race to be ruined on the first damn turn because some a-hole couldn't wait a hot second.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

My game is locked in to the nurb so I won't be able to get pics this week.

But here's this;

Or maybe this one would be cooler to use;

24hr Nurb update;

Surprisingly the tires hit the cliff the same time the fuel did. 9:39:04.000 on the clock with 61 laps complete. Last 3 laps were so sloppy, didn't get below an 8. Will try out the mediums tomorrow. Hopefully will get some daylight. Who's bringing the biscuits and gravy for breakfast?

 

[Skills]

And get your popcorn ready.

My point.

In a past job there was a policy that if there was a business need and a suggestion was made, it could not be shot down without an alternate suggestion being made by that person. As I interpret the need to be: Reduce 1st turn incidents(mayhem) and allow the field to get through the corner and continue racing without issues. Lots of people disagreeing but I'm not reading many new suggestions.

Who's bringing the biscuits and gravy for breakfast?

Not me although I do make a mean sausage gravy that might even rival Bob Evans.

 

[JLBowler]

@Skills

I made a suggestion and that was to have the stewards look at the start of each race and assess penalties based on the current rules with or without a racing complaint filed. It was largely ignored. I assume becasue some just want a change for the sake of change.

I'm also still waiting for someone to give me a good reason that we need different rules for one corner. I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

 

[Skills]

@Skills

I made a suggestion and that was to have the stewards look at the start of each race and assess penalties based on the current rules with or without a racing complaint filed. It was largely ignored.

I'm also still waiting for someone to give me a good reason that we need different rules for one corner. I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

Seems like that would make more work for everyone(stewards). Sometimes the stewards have lives also. Since you suggested the stewards should watch all the replays to police it, perhaps you are nominating yourself? If not, I nominate you.

 

[the2armedmen]

The first turn makes some of the courses more of a pain then they should be. Monza, nurburgring gp, and spa being perfect examples. I usually don't have anything to file because I know the guys behind me are probably gonna drive like pissed off teenagers through the first turn ao I put put my way through after they dive into the sandpit waiting at the outside of the turn.

 

[JLBowler]

My original suggestion for workload was to have each division steward watch the start of each race from their division. Since I already have two divisions, I would handle two and five. Handlebarman also suggested that the stewards watch the start of any race that they are already reviewing. I suppose I could watch 30 starts Monday morning. Most of them are uneventful so the real time would be downloading and transfering to the PS3.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Seems like that would make more work for everyone(stewards). Sometimes the stewards have lives also. Since you suggested the stewards should watch all the replays to police it, perhaps you are nominating yourself? If not, I nominate you.

He is a steward, so his volunteering has already happened and is implied with the suggestion that he would be taking his part of the load. Like I said in the steward forum earlier. I'm good either way. I will be happy to take a look at my share of races to help determine any T1 penalties. Fortunately for me my kids are grown and my wife is what I consider "low maintenance". So I've the time to spend on this if it becomes necessary.

 

[IceWarden]

@Skills

I made a suggestion and that was to have the stewards look at the start of each race and assess penalties based on the current rules with or without a racing complaint filed. It was largely ignored. I assume becasue some just want a change for the sake of change.

I'm also still waiting for someone to give me a good reason that we need different rules for one corner. I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

Not different rules, just an additional rule. Not too hard to understand as I just explained a situation in the steward forum where it would be useful.

The sky isn't falling Chicken Littles....

 

[Wolfsatz]

C'mon, Handlebar it's from the Premium Dealership. I don't pick those crappy, useless Standard cars. Peugeot 908 = $4 million...you can do it! Oh my gosh...it's an actual race car. what will we do...? race it...?

Lol... Either that or spin out of control!

This car is a handful but should b very fun.

 

[Skills]

I suppose I could watch 30 starts Monday morning. Most of them are uneventful so the real time would be downloading and transferring to the PS3.

Exactly. It makes more work. Doesn't seem worth it when a rule, or more of a suggestion could be implemented to guide.
Work smarter, not harder.

 

[IceWarden]

Most of the guys hotly against it are already stewards. Most of those against will take a cursory glance and say rubbin is racing and move on.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

@Skills

I made a suggestion and that was to have the stewards look at the start of each race and assess penalties based on the current rules with or without a racing complaint filed. It was largely ignored. I assume becasue some just want a change for the sake of change.

Just because I am in the middle of debating my opinion does not mean I will not use your suggestion come Monday. I'm 46, not 12.

@Skills


I'm also still waiting for someone to give me a good reason that we need different rules for one corner. I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

Some racers push the racing to a limit. I agree with this rule, so 👍 👍 👍

prevents really avoidable first turn mayhem.

...for 2 reason: (1) to effectively avoid incidents in the first turn, and (2) so that drivers who are being careful and doing their part to avoid incidents in the 1st turn of are not taken advantage of. There is no sense in causing an incident in the congestion of the first turn. You can not win the race on the 1st turn or even the 1st lap. If a complaint is filed, the decision we make will be one that promotes an incident free first turn.

The rule would simply bring greater awareness to the need for caution and OLR, and not actually changing things a great deal.

...plus the Turn 1 Lap 1 concerns expressed in the IRacing Video above.

 

[JLBowler]

The rules are already there. The issue is enforcement of the rules and getting people to report incidents they are involved in.

Some drivers do feel that a little rub or minor bump is just a result of close racing and if they aren't really affected by the contact, they will write it off and not file. Others feel that any time any contact is made, it's the end of the world and the other guy is out to get them. The vast majority of driver fall somewhere in the middle of these two descriptions.

This is a question for anyone: I would like to know how you would feel if the description of the turn one rule was applied to every turn during the race?

I'm with KCheeb, I want consistency. I want to be able to go side by side whenever I want to. I want to be able to show a bumper and try and make the other driver flinch and then take advantage. I want to try and defend my position all the time instead of just getting through turn one. If I see something I don't like going into the first turn, I have the option to lift and go wide to avoid or brake to avoid. I want the chance to make a good decision while others are pushing too hard and take advantage of that as well. I want to race from the start to the finish and never have a limitiation on what I'm allowed to do as long as I stay within the rules we have established regarding racecraft and contact.

@oshawaJoe

Every item you just listed could also be accomplished by telling the drivers that the stewards will be watching all starts. Just having a rule will not ever curb an overly agressive driver. We have rules now and we still deal with agressive drivers. If you actually think that writing down a new rule will automatically change the way someone drives, you're a little naive. Telling a driver that the stewards are watching will have just as much effect as writing a new rule would. Writing a new rule would be nothing more than addind more verbiage for the sake of making people read it.

I'll say it again, the rule is already there, Just enforce it.

Now that I think about it, this discussion has probably done more to make people aware of turn one racecraft than any new rule ever would.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I threw up the white flag long time ago and was simply making the no passing thing a little more clear for smiggz–passing would still be allowed.

And I hope anyone reading my posts would understand that I'm after awareness more than regulation.

Sure would be nice to have Turn 1 top of mind for drivers signing up next week or next month.

 

[JLBowler]

I threw up the white flag long time ago and was simply making the no passing thing a little more clear for smiggz–passing would still be allowed.

And I hope anyone reading my posts would understand that I'm after awareness more than regulation.

I think we have accomplished awareness except for those that have been under a rock all day.

I'm all for regulation, I just feel we should use the rules we already have.

 

[IceWarden]

Good job Joe.

Nice try bud.

But it's not like those three or four loud protesters run the league. Lots of other non vocal people run here as well.

I would love it if this league could have anonymous polls on the forum. Less chance of bullying.

 

[the2armedmen]

Good job Joe.

Nice try bud.

But it's not like those three or four loud protesters run the league. Lots of other non vocal people run here as well.

I would love it if this league could have anonymous polls on the forum. Less chance of bullying.

Funny that someone who consistently talks down to people on the thread says something about bullying
Both joe and bowlers ideas are good and I don't really get why you guys are argueing

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I wasn't arguing (ok, maybe a little) . He missed some of the posts and I was trying to help him find them.

 

[JLBowler]

I would call it good healthy debate about a topic. Points were made, points were countered and a lot of information was exchanged.

 

[fzappa]

Good job Joe.

Nice try bud.

But it's not like those three or four loud protesters run the league. Lots of other non vocal people run here as well.

I would love it if this league could have anonymous polls on the forum. Less chance of bullying.

Really?

 

[fzappa]

@Skills

I made a suggestion and that was to have the stewards look at the start of each race and assess penalties based on the current rules with or without a racing complaint filed. It was largely ignored. I assume becasue some just want a change for the sake of change.

I'm also still waiting for someone to give me a good reason that we need different rules for one corner. I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

You are not going to get a good reason because there is none. ;-)

 

[the2armedmen]

Bowler I made my point for a first turn rule a page or two ago. It's because a good many of us have to change our driving style for the first turn because some folks don't get as much practice during the week and brake too late, so the guys who did practice are tippy toeing around the turn while the no practices are flying in front of them into the sand trap. Mostly relevant on tracks that start with a super sharp turn such as nurburgring gp courses and Monza. First turn at Monza was painful for me because of people not knowing the brake zone I had to swerve to not crush them into the wall.

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[tezgm99]

We interrupt this broadcast for your regularly scheduled 24hr Nurburgring update. 'Bout to jump in for another stint. How are the rest of you A-spec endurance racers doing?

Great news! The Dacia Sand....just kidding The rain has finally stopped at Sarthe in my race

My update is that I'm still 2 laps up after 6:45. I suspended the race at my latest pitstop where it's asking me to switch to inters at 68% so I'm a little leery about doing that or if I should stick with the full wets for a few more laps, lol

 

[the2armedmen]

I never go full rain if its a weather change course. Inters I would recommend, really doesn't matter tho because the course will still be holding water after rain stops ya know

 

[tezgm99]

Maybe that's why I'm 2 laps up, 2armed....the AI might have been using inters when the track has been 100% wet since the start

 

[the2armedmen]

Last time I drove against the AI in the rain, pretty sure it was a glitch but all the drivers drove straight into the wall every turn and I gained about 20 laps by the time they stopped driving into the wall

 

[tezgm99]

Well, they haven't been that kind to me

It's been odd to be honest. Each time I restart the race from where I left it, the AI cars seem to pick up speed for a few laps and take big chunks of time out of me (like 5-10 seconds a lap), but then it all sort of equals out and they go back to being slower again. I'm not complaining, I just think it's weird

 

[the2armedmen]

Running laps at spa, is 2:04.35 a good time?

 

[hillracing]

Just had an idea that I thought I'd throw out there and see if anyone is interested. With GT Academy on the horizon I was thinking of starting a spec Nissan series that would be meant for anyone wanting to prepare for GTA. We would have a weekly time trial that would last all week and then at least one night a week we would race multiple tracks with a single Nissan car. The intention would be to help each other get good enough to make it to the finals so SNAIL would be represented there. What do you guys think? Anyone interested?