1.06 Update Details

[TheCrazySwede]

GT Sport runs its tire model after bar soap. Either that or someone in the pit lane fitted my GT3 race car with off the shelf economy tires as a prank. I'm glad GT Sport is getting an update. Whenever I hear that someone is complaining that a modern GT3 car is easy to drive, I light up with hope that maybe they got it right - but most likely not.

The car should be working with you, not against you. If that's the case, then it's a crap car. As long it's not the super rubber that GT5/GT6 had, then we should be ok...hopefully will have time to try it in the upcoming week.

 

[Outspacer]

Sorry, I misunderstood. I can't floor the Gr.4 Citreon... but, I can get off the corner easier than other cars.

I haven't drove a Gr.3 yet that I can just floor it. I'm having to be easier on the throttle now actually

Granted, I am using a DS4. But have ASM off and TC at 2 or 1. I do have CSA on.

I'm using DS4 as well, admittedly quite well practised at it, all aids off except ABS. For Gr4 I'd say there's no benefit to using TC at all now, and with the Citroen it only takes very little to avoid spinning out - either a tiny bit less than full throttle or a tiny bit less than full lock. Coming out of hairpins in 2nd there's still the risk of spinning out, but that's about it. It's far easier than before.

I tried CSA (in 1.05) but didn't get much out of it. Felt less connected to the driving - more of a hindrance - so I turned it off.

Just tried Gr3 Citroen - it still requires a steady thumb to drive without TC, but again, it's far easier than it was. Smashed my 458's time by 1.5 secs within a couple of laps, and I'd hardly driven the Citroen before. That's not to boast about how great I am, just how much more similar the cars are to each other when they have more grip, thus easier to get used to.

 

[CHEN255]

I just got a chance to try it. It's a nice improvement so far for me and I'm having fun. But I had to come back and look at this thread because I think it is funny that the PC master race sim racers are on the GT Sport forum desperate to let people know GT Sport is terrible and is not a sim and their favourite game is the real sim.

I wonder why they feel the need? Does it bother them that online racing is more popular on GT Sport? Does it worry them that people have been quitting iRacing (I did)? I think it is funny how they feel the need to tell us we are wrong if we like it and if we think it is better than other sims.

I feel the same way whenever I read the constant "get a PC" "consoles are garbage" nonsense from a lot of PC folk. It gets rather tiresome and I wonder why they constantly need to keep banging on about it. Perhaps they are upset that so few choose to play on PC. I don't want to game on a PC, it's for working on and nothing else for me, I am not interested in it as a gaming platform, it's way too much hassle. I love my PS4 Pro, it is specifically designed for gaming and I enjoy the plug and play nature of consoles.

 

[PJTierney]

Question for DS4 users: How is the feedback on the brakes with ABS off?

I like to run without any assists when possible but up until now I had to have a low ABS as I couldn’t predict lockups due to lack of controller feedback.

 

[meck_rb7]

Question for DS4 users: How is the feedback on the brakes with ABS off?

I like to run without any assists when possible but up until now I had to have a low ABS as I couldn’t predict lockups due to lack of controller feedback.

It's even worse now... no feeling at all with all ABS options....

 

[D-Max]

Had s very off first experience with 1.06.
Every car I’ve driven with rear wheel drive has oversteered going into the corner or coming off the brakes. I was lightening quick last night at Suzuka in Gr3, attempted it tonight and it was like I was driving around with the handbrake on

 

[andrewhake]

Wanted to add that rally cars on dirt feel MUCH better to me as well.

Just finishing up some of the last Mission Challenge and the Lancer Evo Gr.B felt significantly better to me. Can actually feel what the tires are doing now.

 

[BigDawg_1281]

I'm using DS4 as well, admittedly quite well practised at it, all aids off except ABS. For Gr4 I'd say there's no benefit to using TC at all now, and with the Citroen it only takes very little to avoid spinning out - either a tiny bit less than full throttle or a tiny bit less than full lock. Coming out of hairpins in 2nd there's still the risk of spinning out, but that's about it. It's far easier than before.

I tried CSA (in 1.05) but didn't get much out of it. Felt less connected to the driving - more of a hindrance - so I turned it off.

Just tried Gr3 Citroen - it still requires a steady thumb to drive without TC, but again, it's far easier than it was. Smashed my 458's time by 1.5 secs within a couple of laps, and I'd hardly driven the Citroen before. That's not to boast about how great I am, just how much more similar the cars are to each other when they have more grip, thus easier to get used to.

I'm faster after 1.06, probably 1.5 -2 secs. I like it better now tho, I can tell when I'm pushing too hard a lot better.

 

[Outspacer]

I'm faster after 1.06, probably 1.5 -2 secs. I like it better now tho, I can tell when I'm pushing too hard a lot better.

My comparison with 458 was after patch as well... and I'm a bit sad about it, I liked that car

I wouldn't mind as much if everything was 1 or 2 secs quicker, but the patch has made quite big differences between cars that were putting down similar times before.

 

[BigDawg_1281]

My comparison with 458 was after patch as well... and I'm a bit sad about it, I liked that car

I wouldn't mind as much if everything was 1 or 2 secs quicker, but the patch has made quite big differences between cars that were putting down similar times before.

Was the 458 affected with the BoP changes? I think the Gr.3 Citreon was

 

[qwbufp]

It didn't take you too long to get used to it. Good run!

Thanks I like the update now

 

[oneloops]

Just did an FIA race that went overall poorly. Been awhile since I had any issues in a race. Sorry to rprphoto, didn't think we were going to make contact, we did slightly, and then the game did the stupid bouncing thing and I nudged you harder the second time.

I got the random penalty thing again, except this time I think I know why. I guess they implemented a "No passing under Yellow" rule in this patch and I haven't seen anyone mention it? Because that is what just happened to me and there is nothing I could do about it. I passed the person that was involved because they were going slow.

So both races I've done today, this has happened. You can see in the video here how the "Yellow flag" thing comes up for one second as I'm passing him. This must've happened in my earlier race, when a bunch of people were crashing into each other in turn one and I drove through cleanly and was penalized. Wtf PD. This system can't work like this. There is more flexibility and nuance to it in real life.

I agree, it has to pass a few seconds to make this rule been applied after a crash or after the yellow flag is announced... if not, it can be too much punishing like in your case.

Or let you be passed in a lap if you winned a position (although this is hard to implement...)

I think that cases like this one are very difficult to be well sanctioned.

 

[Outspacer]

Was the 458 affected with the BoP changes? I think the Gr.3 Citreon was

Gr4 458 had a slight weight reduction (108% to 107%), but in practice the gap seems bigger to the Citroen than before.

So, as a 'same driver' test, even though I might not be equally competent at each, for Gr4 I have the Citroen coming in almost 1 sec faster than the 458, and the Scirroco close to 2 secs faster then the Citroen. Spent most time on the 458, then only 3 laps each on the other two. Just like that I'm top of my Friend Rankings, with a 2:04.8 that I could probably better.

The Scirrocco is far less unpleasant to drive now, and boy does it shoot round corners. It's weak spot is coming out of tighter corners, but it's been reduced so much that it's now only a momentary delay before getting on full throttle.

The BoP changes were miniscule compared to this, I really don't know what they were thinking Hopefully bigger BoP changes will come soon.

 

[Seikenfreak]

@oneloops Eh yea I'm feeling pretty miffed about the race. I don't (or didn't, might retry after patch) like the Gr3 races, therefore I only have a few Gr4 races in either of the FIA series per week if that. So that race going poorly kinda ruins my whole week.

More on topic though, I was looking through the patch notes and I don't see this new Yellow Flag HUD pop up or rule mentioned. Was this an existing feature that they just suddenly decided to enable for these races? I could see maybe in that situation I had, if I knew the rule ahead of time, I could've completely screeched to a halt (likely causing another accident) while these people got back on track.. But if this happens on the first few corners of some of these races, where everyone likes to bunch up and go two wide as train and an accident happens, how is anyone supposed to avoid passing?

In terms of the discussion on grip, I'll say the cars I've driven definitely feel like they are stuck to the road pretty good. Id say it makes it easier, which is probably why they lowered times for the single player stuff. It's pretty hard to lose traction on corner exit while putting the power down.

I've been doing most or all of my FIA races in the 458 but I don't really have times to compare to. On Dragon Trail, I was just outside the top 10 times before and after patch I guess. Speaking of that, I think it would be nice if the game kept a record of your best time on a track with a certain class or car. Just for referencing yourself.

 

[7HO]

I feel the same way whenever I read the constant "get a PC" "consoles are garbage" nonsense from a lot of PC folk. It gets rather tiresome and I wonder why they constantly need to keep banging on about it. Perhaps they are upset that so few choose to play on PC. I don't want to game on a PC, it's for working on and nothing else for me, I am not interested in it as a gaming platform, it's way too much hassle. I love my PS4 Pro, it is specifically designed for gaming and I enjoy the plug and play nature of consoles.

I have both, I have consoles and I have a gaming PC. I really don't care what people prefer and for a few years I was strictly a PC gamer mostly because I prefer Sim Racing games and I preferred what was available on PC. But the more I played the more I realised I was just playing games and the more sims I tried the more disappointed in each I became. For a few years I primarily played iRacing and I have spent thousands of hours playing that. I would occasionally play Assetto Corsa but it always got boring quickly for me and I play mainly to race real people online. But there were plenty of things that bugged me about iRacing, I started to think it was a good service but not a great sim and as a service it frustrated me more and more because while it was the best league service I had ever experienced with the best leagues I found at the time league racing didn't work well for my life and official racing was frustrating as iRacing has a relatively small playerbase that is spread out far too thin. MX5 racing is always decent but I don't really like driving them, some cars I wanted to race had very few people and it was difficult to find races and impossible for me in some cars I wanted to race and in GT3 at the times it was convinient for me to race I was lapping the field and rarely challenged but in the rare occasion I was able to stay up to the early hours of the morning for a SOF race I found the racing at the top level dirty with poor sportsmanship and iRacing stewards did not live up to the advertising and called everything a racing incident. So I questioned the value, I played less and less and finally quit.

Around that time my youngest son was playing a PS3, my daughter had an xbox and my oldest son needed a upgrade to his PC. So I asked my boys if they both wanted gaming PC's but they told me they wanted PS4's instead. My oldest didn't really want a PS4 as we raced together on PC but his brother wanted a PS4 and he wanted to be on the same platform so they could play together. When I started playing their games I realised I liked the PS4 and thought it was a great gaming platform and was really surprised of how well games on it compared to my gaming PC. I really started to think the whole PC Master Race thing was bit silly. I started to see things I preferred about the PS4 as well. And with Assetto Corsa already on PS4 (although not as good as the PC version) and with the pre release hype of Project CARS 2 and with the talk of GT Sport having an online racing system similar to iRacing I started to get excited that perhaps sim racing could became a thing on console. I was still hesitant as I had played Forza on PC and I found it really disappointing. I preordered the deluxe version of Project CARS 2 and played it on my sons PS4 but I was disappointed. But it was when I finally got to play the demo of GT Sport that I decided to buy a PS4 Pro for myself and at the moment I am not regretting that decision at all as I'm having the most enjoyable racing I have had in years and maybe that I have ever had and I already have so many cool games on the PS4 that I don't know how i will find the time to play them all.

I'm a bit disappointed about the whole PSVR thing and at this point I don't see the point in getting it and I think at times about getting the Samsung Odyssey for PC but then I consider that I am only really racing on GT Sport at the moment so VR on PC would be just as much a novelty to me as PSVR would. So I must admit that right now I'm looking forward to PS5 or for PC racing sims to be inspired by the success of GT Sport and to recreate that on PC. It might sound crazy but I was secretly hoping FM7 would be really good or Project CARS 2 would be better than it is and the Xbox One X got Microsoft MR support, I told the kids that if that happened I would switch all of us over to Xbox One X's. But even this black Friday that just went past I thought about gaming PC's for all of us and I asked my kids if they wanted gaming PC's now and they told me they were happy with their PS4's and they are just not interested in PC gaming. My gaming PC now lives in the lounge room as a media PC and for internet browsing and the only 2 games that have been getting played on it are Sims3 by my wife and Rocksmith. I've even archived my entire steam library except for the sim racing titles and Rocksmith and the only reason i kept the Sim racing titles was for testing of my new wheel which I got bored of very quickly.

Wanted to add that rally cars on dirt feel MUCH better to me as well.

Just finishing up some of the last Mission Challenge and the Lancer Evo Gr.B felt significantly better to me. Can actually feel what the tires are doing now.

Oh I didn't think to try those as i have really hated them so far.

 

[ghsnu]

yes.. sport mode got some changes...some good...some not so good. Your finishing position gets showcased, but only to you. Winner no longer showcased..Booo.

Kinda happy with that, though I haven't done any Sport races yet. I think it was an article here (or maybe Jalopnik, can't say) a few days ago that was mainly about why racing games aren't selling as much, and one point was being no self-satisfaction from the game - you end up feeling like you either place 1st and win or you just lose, making it a mad dash for 1st and thus leading to clusterbombs like in Forza's online. I'm not saying we need better rewards for last, but just a general recognition that "hey, you did your best bud, good race" and I think this game does a fairly good job at that right now.

As for the update, only tried a race on Tokyo outer loop in a stock Mustang to see if it handled better without TCS on and sports hards, and so far it does IMO, tad more controllable and not as spin-prone at part throttle, but still a bit of a chicken to accelerate out of a corner. Can't wait to get the Cobra though .

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Can't wait to get the Cobra though .

Cobra is a blast, geared way to low and to change the rear end ratio you have to switch to a 5 speed trans. Wish you could just change the rear gears and keep the original 4 speed trans.

With Sport Soft tires you can step the rear out in a controlled fashion and do under control 4 wheel slides in the corners. Sounds great as well. Performance wise it is pretty good as long as you remember you are dealing with a 50 year old designed braking system and take that into account as you set your braking markers. Well worth the 2 mill!

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Finally got a FIA race so it looks like it might be fixed with this update..if there's any bad language be warned

I am amused by how often you use other cars as soft tire walls to bounce off of, and then get annoyed at people when they run into you and the roles are reversed.

Also using chase cam with an expensive Formula wheel rim =

 

[CHEN255]

I have both, I have consoles and I have a gaming PC. I really don't care what people prefer and for a few years I was strictly a PC gamer mostly because I prefer Sim Racing games and I preferred what was available on PC. But the more I played the more I realised I was just playing games and the more sims I tried the more disappointed in each I became. For a few years I primarily played iRacing and I have spent thousands of hours playing that. I would occasionally play Assetto Corsa but it always got boring quickly for me and I play mainly to race real people online. But there were plenty of things that bugged me about iRacing, I started to think it was a good service but not a great sim and as a service it frustrated me more and more because while it was the best league service I had ever experienced with the best leagues I found at the time league racing didn't work well for my life and official racing was frustrating as iRacing has a relatively small playerbase that is spread out far too thin. MX5 racing is always decent but I don't really like driving them, some cars I wanted to race had very few people and it was difficult to find races and impossible for me in some cars I wanted to race and in GT3 at the times it was convinient for me to race I was lapping the field and rarely challenged but in the rare occasion I was able to stay up to the early hours of the morning for a SOF race I found the racing at the top level dirty with poor sportsmanship and iRacing stewards did not live up to the advertising and called everything a racing incident. So I questioned the value, I played less and less and finally quit.

Around that time my youngest son was playing a PS3, my daughter had an xbox and my oldest son needed a upgrade to his PC. So I asked my boys if they both wanted gaming PC's but they told me they wanted PS4's instead. My oldest didn't really want a PS4 as we raced together on PC but his brother wanted a PS4 and he wanted to be on the same platform so they could play together. When I started playing their games I realised I liked the PS4 and thought it was a great gaming platform and was really surprised of how well games on it compared to my gaming PC. I really started to think the whole PC Master Race thing was bit silly. I started to see things I preferred about the PS4 as well. And with Assetto Corsa already on PS4 (although not as good as the PC version) and with the pre release hype of Project CARS 2 and with the talk of GT Sport having an online racing system similar to iRacing I started to get excited that perhaps sim racing could became a thing on console. I was still hesitant as I had played Forza on PC and I found it really disappointing. I preordered the deluxe version of Project CARS 2 and played it on my sons PS4 but I was disappointed. But it was when I finally got to play the demo of GT Sport that I decided to buy a PS4 Pro for myself and at the moment I am not regretting that decision at all as I'm having the most enjoyable racing I have had in years and maybe that I have ever had and I already have so many cool games on the PS4 that I don't know how i will find the time to play them all.

I'm a bit disappointed about the whole PSVR thing and at this point I don't see the point in getting it and I think at times about getting the Samsung Odyssey for PC but then I consider that I am only really racing on GT Sport at the moment so VR on PC would be just as much a novelty to me as PSVR would. So I must admit that right now I'm looking forward to PS5 or for PC racing sims to be inspired by the success of GT Sport and to recreate that on PC. It might sound crazy but I was secretly hoping FM7 would be really good or Project CARS 2 would be better than it is and the Xbox One X got Microsoft MR support, I told the kids that if that happened I would switch all of us over to Xbox One X's. But even this black Friday that just went past I thought about gaming PC's for all of us and I asked my kids if they wanted gaming PC's now and they told me they were happy with their PS4's and they are just not interested in PC gaming. My gaming PC now lives in the lounge room as a media PC and for internet browsing and the only 2 games that have been getting played on it are Sims3 by my wife and Rocksmith. I've even archived my entire steam library except for the sim racing titles and Rocksmith and the only reason i kept the Sim racing titles was for testing of my new wheel which I got bored of very quickly.



Oh I didn't think to try those as i have really hated them so far.

There is an update coming soon to PCars 2 which should improve it graphically and gameplay wise by quite a bit so don't give up on it just yet
I'm really loving GTS both online and offline and it's exciting to see the upcoming updates to it. GTS is a class act.

 

[oneloops]

I have both, I have consoles and I have a gaming PC. I really don't care what people prefer and for a few years I was strictly a PC gamer mostly because I prefer Sim Racing games and I preferred what was available on PC. But the more I played the more I realised I was just playing games and the more sims I tried the more disappointed in each I became. For a few years I primarily played iRacing and I have spent thousands of hours playing that. I would occasionally play Assetto Corsa but it always got boring quickly for me and I play mainly to race real people online. But there were plenty of things that bugged me about iRacing, I started to think it was a good service but not a great sim and as a service it frustrated me more and more because while it was the best league service I had ever experienced with the best leagues I found at the time league racing didn't work well for my life and official racing was frustrating as iRacing has a relatively small playerbase that is spread out far too thin. MX5 racing is always decent but I don't really like driving them, some cars I wanted to race had very few people and it was difficult to find races and impossible for me in some cars I wanted to race and in GT3 at the times it was convinient for me to race I was lapping the field and rarely challenged but in the rare occasion I was able to stay up to the early hours of the morning for a SOF race I found the racing at the top level dirty with poor sportsmanship and iRacing stewards did not live up to the advertising and called everything a racing incident. So I questioned the value, I played less and less and finally quit.

Around that time my youngest son was playing a PS3, my daughter had an xbox and my oldest son needed a upgrade to his PC. So I asked my boys if they both wanted gaming PC's but they told me they wanted PS4's instead. My oldest didn't really want a PS4 as we raced together on PC but his brother wanted a PS4 and he wanted to be on the same platform so they could play together. When I started playing their games I realised I liked the PS4 and thought it was a great gaming platform and was really surprised of how well games on it compared to my gaming PC. I really started to think the whole PC Master Race thing was bit silly. I started to see things I preferred about the PS4 as well. And with Assetto Corsa already on PS4 (although not as good as the PC version) and with the pre release hype of Project CARS 2 and with the talk of GT Sport having an online racing system similar to iRacing I started to get excited that perhaps sim racing could became a thing on console. I was still hesitant as I had played Forza on PC and I found it really disappointing. I preordered the deluxe version of Project CARS 2 and played it on my sons PS4 but I was disappointed. But it was when I finally got to play the demo of GT Sport that I decided to buy a PS4 Pro for myself and at the moment I am not regretting that decision at all as I'm having the most enjoyable racing I have had in years and maybe that I have ever had and I already have so many cool games on the PS4 that I don't know how i will find the time to play them all.

I'm a bit disappointed about the whole PSVR thing and at this point I don't see the point in getting it and I think at times about getting the Samsung Odyssey for PC but then I consider that I am only really racing on GT Sport at the moment so VR on PC would be just as much a novelty to me as PSVR would. So I must admit that right now I'm looking forward to PS5 or for PC racing sims to be inspired by the success of GT Sport and to recreate that on PC. It might sound crazy but I was secretly hoping FM7 would be really good or Project CARS 2 would be better than it is and the Xbox One X got Microsoft MR support, I told the kids that if that happened I would switch all of us over to Xbox One X's. But even this black Friday that just went past I thought about gaming PC's for all of us and I asked my kids if they wanted gaming PC's now and they told me they were happy with their PS4's and they are just not interested in PC gaming. My gaming PC now lives in the lounge room as a media PC and for internet browsing and the only 2 games that have been getting played on it are Sims3 by my wife and Rocksmith. I've even archived my entire steam library except for the sim racing titles and Rocksmith and the only reason i kept the Sim racing titles was for testing of my new wheel which I got bored of very quickly.



Oh I didn't think to try those as i have really hated them so far.

Sim Racing games and Rocksmith, I love both

 

[Max_HP]

Noticed a change that was not mentioned in the patch details: The "add to my library" option has now been replaced with "add to collection" and is now placed beneath the picture, instead of on top of it. Very good indeed!

Should've been this way from the get go.

 

[JoshMead]

７．Sound
- It is now possible to adjust the balance of sound effects during game play. The adjustment can be made in[Options] -> [Sound Volume].

Does that mean there's now an option to turn off the sound effect (beep) that goes off at each checkpoint of a circuit? That tends to get annoying after a while.

 

[Inzyman]

How can you like that???

It isn't even not fun win like this...

One mision Challenge gold request was 1:11.000... Now 1:13.000 and i just did an 1:09.9 not even pushing...

Where is the challenge? Howe you want to improve your driving with this?

It really 🤬

Agreed, picked up a few golds driving like a drunk old woman............. No point.

 

[7HO]

Agreed, picked up a few golds driving like a drunk old woman............. No point.

I can't help but think someone made a mistake. I was under the impression that because of the physics changes they would be adjusting the goals to be harder, I'd like to think someone just stuffed up.

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought I read the Ferrari F40 and Enzo were part of the update somewhere? How come I don't see them in Brand Central??

 

[mark5917]

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought I read the Ferrari F40 and Enzo were part of the update somewhere? How come I don't see them in Brand Central??

Nope, they will be part of the update 1.07 that comes out sometime in December this Year.

The December update will contain 12 more cars. These are:

• Chevrolet Corvette (C3) Stingray Convertible (C3)
• Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
• Ferrari F40
• Ford F-150 SVT Raptor
• Lamborghini Countach LP400
• KTM X-BOW R
• Mazda RX-7 (FD) Spirit R Type A
• Nissan Skyline (R32) GT-R V-spec II
• Nissan Skyline (R34) GT-R V-spec II Nür
• Suzuki Swift Sport
• Volkswagen Samba Bus Type 2 (T1)
• Chris Holstrom Concepts 1967 Chevy Nova (2013 SEMA GT Award winner)

 

[Max_HP]

Nope, they will be part of the update 1.07 that comes out sometime in December this Year.

The December update will contain 12 more cars. These are:

• Chevrolet Corvette (C3) Stingray Convertible (C3)
• Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
• Ferrari F40
• Ford F-150 SVT Raptor
• Lamborghini Countach LP400
• KTM X-BOW R
• Mazda RX-7 (FD) Spirit R Type A
• Nissan Skyline (R32) GT-R V-spec II
• Nissan Skyline (R34) GT-R V-spec II Nür
• Suzuki Swift Sport
• Volkswagen Samba Bus Type 2 (T1)
• Chris Holstrom Concepts 1967 Chevy Nova (2013 SEMA GT Award winner)

Plus the GT League single player mode.

 

[mark5917]

Plus the GT League single player mode.

That's the most crucial part for me, and i can't wait!

 

[Hage dayo]

Oh...

 

[KingFrog]

Oh...

What makes it 100x better is the fact the second gif looks so damn real . That happened to me once too. My car hopped after hitting a wall.


Also 80% of the complaints are due to placebo's . . some people are crying there's less grip and others cry that there is less. Grip has increased to what it SHOULD BE ( although it's not perfect it's closer to reality than before) . Alot of prominent figures on here have pointed out grip was significantly lower than it should have been since day 1 . This idiotic notion that slippery = real is starting to piss me off. CARS DONT FEEL LIKE THAT. I've driven my 79' rx-7 ( with relatively hard shocks/stock suspension) easily 200 miles up and down a secluded mountain road for the past year on TWO tire compounds. Generic Chinese tires and Advans. Even the Chinese ones didn't feel like my car was GLIDING ON ICE . I have taken turns doing 70, and im admittedly scared to go faster on that section, but if my car EVER and I mean EVER felt like what they did in 1.05 I would NEVER drive that thing again. Alot of people fail to understand race cars and cars designed with racing in minds MORE STABLE the faster you go while taking a turn, the only consequence of going fast is overshooting the turn and wrecking. Losing teh tail happens when you break and shift momentum to the rear wheels which don't want to change direction due to the nature of real-world physics. That's why heavy breaking should be done in a straight line, not after turning, as you risk throwing teh back out. The best example was the Honda 2+2 . On 1.5 it felt like the car had inverted 4 wheel steering so it would glide going sideways on EVERY turn .. All PD did according to the few start/stop test iv done, is increase the LATERAL GRIP of tires. It now feels immensely more natural. This is why cars no longer seem to oversteer . If yal think driving on soap is realistic and fun, then fine. this update sucks.