1232bhp 272mph Bugatti Veyron GT in the works.

[G.T]

Looking through Autocar magazine this morning, I noticed that Bugatti is wanting to make a 1200+bhp Bugatti Veryon that should be able to reach 272mph. I never bought the magazine sadly, and I can't find any decent links on the news other than threads like this one on other forums. If you find any links, please post up.

It seems like a good idea, even though the car is totally bonkers already...

Edit:

The article:

 

[YSSMAN]

Like 253 MPH isnt enough allready. I think the big news story here is who is going to be getting the contracts to make the tires that are going to be suitable for day-to-day driving and 270+MPH blasts down the raceway...

 

[Dave A]

I don't see how they'll manage that since the thing that limited the Veryon was the tyre's. I have heared that they are doing a Veryon replacement, it'd be logical to think it would be faster, but 272mph is a bit extreme. If someone does some how find a way to make road legal tyre's that won't explode at thoes speeds, you'll probably be given a special set for track run's.

 

[Poverty]

My view is this. Other manaufacturers claim they can go faster than the veyron. I dont see how if the veyron had so much trouble with their tyres. Talking the talk instead of walking the walk on veyron rivals parts?

I reckon they will be able to do it though with some special non road legal tyres.

 

[Onikaze]

4000 Pounds at 253 Mph = ALOT more stress on tires than 3000 Pounds at 253 Mph

If they could lighten the car, turn it up past 11 to what, 16? And get some sort of barely legal rubber on it, it's possible.

The whole car is nothing more than an engineering experiment and triumph, incredibly useless, but it's cool to know it's there....give me a few 599 GTB's any day though.

 

[Danoff]

They should show it off by winning a NASCAR race with it or something.

 

[Onikaze]

Or do something impressive, like win a real race.


Sorry, sorry, I just hate nascar.

 

[Danoff]

Or do something impressive, like win a real race.

I was trying to degrade NASCAR by pointing out that a car like this could beat them... but you took it to the next level.

 

[Dave A]

The Veyron would beat a Formula 1 car on a typical oval circuit.

 

[Poverty]

4000 Pounds at 253 Mph = ALOT more stress on tires than 3000 Pounds at 253 Mph

If they could lighten the car, turn it up past 11 to what, 16? And get some sort of barely legal rubber on it, it's possible.

The whole car is nothing more than an engineering experiment and triumph, incredibly useless, but it's cool to know it's there....give me a few 599 GTB's any day though.

If they lighten it they will need more aero.

 

[Dave A]

4000 Pounds at 253 Mph = ALOT more stress on tires than 3000 Pounds at 253 Mph

If they could lighten the car, turn it up past 11 to what, 16? And get some sort of barely legal rubber on it, it's possible.

The whole car is nothing more than an engineering experiment and triumph, incredibly useless, but it's cool to know it's there....give me a few 599 GTB's any day though.

Actually the cars weight plays a minimal role above certain speeds, the pressure on the cars tyres is mainly coming from aerodynamic drag which is a hell of a lot greater than a 4000lb car, so much greater that 1000lb's is very negligable.

 

[joseph dobson]

i think that it would be very cool! who on earth would test drive the car at those speeds? i wouldn'y unless they sort out the tire problem!!

and GT, go back to the shop and buy that Autocar!!!!! I would but i don't no what issue and i dont have the money! (saving up for the PS3, its not coming out till Spring 2007 in the UK but it's just better to have some money for emergencies!!!)

 

[Omnis]

Or do something impressive, like win a real race.


Sorry, sorry, I just hate nascar.

LOL. You bastard, you almost made me spray coke on my screen.

 

[joseph dobson]

hahaha, lol, well he's not the only one, i also don't like Nascar

 

[amp88]

The Veyron would beat a Formula 1 car on a typical oval circuit.

I seriously doubt it. The Veyron would be faster in a straight line, that's true (above a certain speed anyway), but it couldn't even begin to approach the cornering speed of an F1 car. The Veyron may have big, fat tyres, but they're not racing tyres and they're a hard enough compound to be able to run for thousands of miles. The Veyron may have it's "handling" special high-downforce mode, but how much downforce does it really produce (even at high speed)? I've got no idea, but I'd be extremely surprised if it's even a quarter of that produced by a modern F1 car at the same speed. Not to mention its weight (2100kg including fluids).

Now, an F1 car, on the other hand, is a purpose built car for racing tracks. It's light (600kg including driver in a race), it produces high levels of downforce even at 'low' speeds (we've all heard they can drive upside down at 100mph, and that fact was about 5+ years ago, so it's probably even lower speed now) and they have huge grooved racing tyres. Granted, F1 cars aren't designed to drive on ovals, the current F1 calendar doesn't have any sustained high speed sections (Indy and Monza probably have the longest acceleration zones, but they're much less than the length of a 'straight' on a Superspeedway). The engines aren't built for huge periods of full throttle running, so the F1 car might blow up, but for the time it's running it'll obliterate the Veyron round any oval (and around any track that contains at least one corner, probably).

Right, sorry for going off topic, G.T

Back on topic...I don't really see the poing in making the Veyron even quicker. What they've done already is enough to make the statement they intended to, IMO. I'm also surprised that 200hp is enough to push them an extra 19mph, I thought it might take more than that at that speed.

 

[Poverty]

It would depend on the radius of the bend. The veyron should be able to go round a average oval doing about 170-180 and then blast off on the straight.

 

[SagarisGTB]

It would depend on the radius of the bend. The veyron should be able to go round a average oval doing about 170-180 and then blast off on the straight.

No, just no.
A veyron would get humiliated around any Oval. Youre thinking of an F1 car set up for a road circuit, but BAR/Honda proved last year that (when set-up correctly) an F1 is just as fast as a Veyron. Lets just compare a bit.

Power - tie, both a veyron and a V10 powered F1 should be producing about 1000hp, maybe a slight edge to the veyron.
Torque - Veyron, but that hardly matters on an Oval.
Weight- F1, by far
Tires - F1, by far
Aero and Downforce - F1

It wouldnt even be close. If the F1 was setup for an Oval, it would humiliate the Veyron.

 

[Poverty]

No, just no.
A veyron would get humiliated around any Oval. Youre thinking of an F1 car set up for a road circuit, but BAR/Honda proved last year that (when set-up correctly) an F1 is just as fast as a Veyron. Lets just compare a bit.

Power - tie, both a veyron and a V10 powered F1 should be producing about 1000hp, maybe a slight edge to the veyron.
Torque - Veyron, but that hardly matters on an Oval.
Weight- F1, by far
Tires - F1, by far
Aero and Downforce - F1

It wouldnt even be close. If the F1 was setup for an Oval, it would humiliate the Veyron.

Were talking V8 powered F1 cars and the veyron has moving aero parts. In a straigh line veyron wins. the F1 cras would top out at about 210-220MPH, they are slower than carts. Around the bends the F1 car would do about 190-200mph. There is more than a big enough gap there for a veyron to come out on top.

 

[Robin]

They should enter the Veyron into LE MANS ......... that would be really cool

272 MPH!..... that would be an amazing car.... but totally impractical!

 

[amp88]

It would depend on the radius of the bend. The veyron should be able to go round a average oval doing about 170-180 and then blast off on the straight.

How's the Veyron going to come close to the cornering speed of an IRL/CART/Indy car exactly? Considering the IRL/CART/Indy car is going to be pulling several lateral G ("Drivers sustain 4-5 lateral G's in turns") throughout this turn. I can't find any data on the maximum lateral G a Veyron can pull, but Wikipedia does have data for the Koenigsegg CCR (which is roughly a tonne lighter than the Veyron). The lateral G listed on Wikipedia for the CCR is 1.3g. Now, this was taken on a flat track and ovals are banked, so on a banked oval the CCR would be able to sustain higher lateral Gs than 1.3, but remember the Veyron is a tonne heavier.

Take a look at the lateral G section of the Physics of Racing series. In a 500 foot radius bend, the car capable of producing 1.5 lateral Gs can take the turn at 105.79mph. The highest lateral G load shown is 2, and this car can take the turn at 122.16mph. Calculating the turn speed for a lateral G load of 5 gives 193mph. So, in this calculation, the Veyron would have go go into the turn 70mph slower than the Indy Car.

I don't think there's much of a contest...do you?

 

[Poverty]

Except that the veyron was mainly tested on banked ovals and therefore can carry alot of a faster speed than the koenigsegger. Hell the koenigsegger will be going alot faster than 120mph on a banked oval, people can do that in theyre M5's and the koenigsegger isnt the best handling or grippest car out there by a long shot. The veyron can pull something like 3 gs alone just accelerating.

 

[Danoff]

Calculating the turn speed for a lateral G load of 5 gives 193mph.

Can they really pull 5 g's when they're set up for high speed tracks?

 

[amp88]

Except that the veyron was mainly tested on banked ovals and therefore can carry alot of a faster speed than the koenigsegger. Hell the koenigsegger will be going alot faster than 120mph on a banked oval, people can do that in theyre M5's and the koenigsegger isnt the best handling or grippest car out there by a long shot

Prove it.

The veyron can pull something like 3 gs alone just accelerating.

Two points to be made here. The Veyron cannot sustain anything like 3Gs acceleration. The Veyron does 0-300km/h in 14 seconds. That's an average acceleration of approximately 0.6G. Secondly, the lateral acceleration a car can sustain has nothing at all to do with how quickly it can accelerate.

edit:

Can they really pull 5 g's when they're set up for high speed tracks?

Yes, look at the corner speeds on the maps at the official site

 

[Poverty]

My G info could very well be wrong but plenty of cars go alot faster than 120mph on a oval.

 

[amp88]

My G info could very well be wrong but plenty of cars go alot faster than 120mph on a oval.

Prove it.

 

[G.T]

The guy driving the car in this video says the Veyron pulls 1.2G under acceleration.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/veyron/0/2AB5B6C9-C19B-40D6-88B2-87162404D22A.htm

Is he correct?

 

[amp88]

The guy driving the car in this video says the Veyron pulls 1.2G under acceleration.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/veyron/0/2AB5B6C9-C19B-40D6-88B2-87162404D22A.htm

Is he correct?

Yes, at low speeds the Veyron will be able to accelerate at greater than 1G, but up to 300km/h its average acceleration is nowhere near 1G.

edit: The Veyron does 0-60mph in 2.5 seconds - approximately 1.1G average.

 

[Danoff]

Yes, look at the corner speeds on the maps at the official site

The link failed.

 

[amp88]

The link failed.

Did you get the following error:

"Fatal error: Call to undefined method stdClass::executeQuery() in /ims/data/indycar/schedule/index.php on line 22"

The site seems to be broken, badly designed or a combination of the two.

Here's a screenshot of the corner speed at Indy.



As I've already said, F1 cars aren't set up for ovals, but they're obviously closer to Indy Cars than a Veyron is. If a Veyron can even get close to 227mph in this turn I'd give my right leg.

edit: Of course, F1 cars do run on part of this oval (though in the opposite direction), and they come through this turn at 190mph without any trouble and not even close to the limits of adhesion (well, when they're running on proper tyres that is ). So, we already know F1 cars can take this turn at 190+mph. Remember that's in relatively high downforce set-up too.

 

[Onikaze]

Man, that thing sounds demonic under load.

Gotta love that engine either way.