1886 Motor Carriage around the 'ring! (in about 2 days)

[Mezar5]

That's so discouraging. But, of course, congratulations (seriously). I didn't think there was an hour to be taken off. I would like more info if you don't mind. I am in the process of moving so it will be a while before I get back to this. Maybe even a couple of months when you figure all of the getting organized in the new house work as well. How many tries, assuming it was more than one, did it take you. I really thought I had posted a more competitive time than that. Anyway, anything more you have to say would not be a tree falling in the forrest with noone there to hear it, I am curious what you did differently, any new observations you have. If its not too much trouble.

Thanks and good job. You have once again raised the bar.

 

[TJ13]

Is that all u do is race around in a carriage to see how long it takes to go one lap aorund the ring?

 

[Woolie Wool]

Has anyone tried to save a replay?

 

[thegreatms]

... I would like more info if you don't mind. ... How many tries, assuming it was more than one, did it take you. ....

It only took me one full try. But I did testing before hand: First I went to the long up hill from T5 till before T6, I ran up it testing my slingshoting, and then rolled all the way back down. I ran up it again using different combinations of slingshot and penduluming. Did this maybe 6 times until I felt I had gotten as good as I could. I spent maybe 6 hours on prep work before starting my real run. Then I ran the first hill about 10 times till I got perfect at it. Finally I started my real run. The things that helped the most where: learning when to slingshot and when to pendulum, and my new “slipping the clutch” technique. When I get home from work I will post my detailed split times.

 

[niky]

Nice work guys... !

 

[TJ13]

anyone tried the Mercades-Benz's carrige on the ring??

 

[thegreatms]

anyone tried the Mercades-Benz's carrige on the ring??

uhmm, yes. That’s one of the two cars that this thread is about the carriage is the 4 wheel one, the wagon is the 3 wheel one.

Here are the split times from my last run:

Motor wagon in GT; no aid, manual, kph

Cross start at 9 kph max speed 83 kph then in 41 then max 69
T1 2'11.334 @61kph
5’41 when fully backed up; back right tire just at start of red graffiti
11’07 1 ft less than fully past white graffiti (then ~7 more pend till over)
13’56 over 1st hill
T2 17’34.560 @ 80kph (max speed 113 kph)
T3 19’01 @ 31 kph (gave a little gas on hill)
T4 21’21 @ 66 kph (braked too much, early to 50 kph, good turn)
over hill 23’16 1 pend at top (max speed 27 kph)
T5 ~40’30 @ 5 kph
44’35 Over left hill after T5
67’16 just to 12km sign with log building across street
92’30 up to next right side curbing
before first left turn switch to backing up to the inside of ring
109’46 fully by metal wire fence on left
124’31 just to beginning of second left curbing
141’49 fully by little telephone booth thingy at third left
T6 147’28 @ 2kph
Then sling shot from 5 pends after left till over crest,
157’00 over little crest of hill
full gas, then pend whole way
168’33 @ 8kph over long hill
hill to carousel gas to VW, few pendulums back to inside of ring, then tack/pend up hill
183’01 @ 6 kph enter carousel
use bottom of carousel ( smoother ) freewheel out, leaving carousel at 18 kph
197’51 fully by start of curbing on first left turn (back to inside)
217’56 fully by wood shack on left at gentle left curve (sling shot2-3 times in middle)
239’44 wheel just touches white graffiti at steep left-hander
243’40 fully out of white graffiti
256’17 switch done; back to curbing on steep right then switch and back to outside
T7 289’20.428 @21kph
free wheel, no brakes. short hill: tricky, back to outside, pend to get up
297’48 over shirt hill
T8 296’00.346 @16 kph mph free wheel through T9
T9 297’59.793 @36kph
307’52 over little hill before banked left, sling shot
free wheel for bit, gas through banked turn, then free wheel again, small hill before last right before straight, no tacking, more efficient to pendulum
319’07 over hill, free wheel
T10 320’41.05 @39kph
T11 328’41.077 @18 kph
351’55.763 DONE!

 

[ferrari_chris]

anyone tried the Mercades-Benz's carrige on the ring??

Did you even read the title of this thread?

 

[James2097]

Here are the split times from my last run:

Motor wagon in GT; no aid, manual, kph

Cross start at 9 kph max speed 83 kph then in 41 then max 69
T1 2'11.334 @61kph
5’41 when fully backed up; back right tire just at start of red graffiti
11’07 1 ft less than fully past white graffiti (then ~7 more pend till over)
13’56 over 1st hill
T2 17’34.560 @ 80kph (max speed 113 kph)
T3 19’01 @ 31 kph (gave a little gas on hill)
T4 21’21 @ 66 kph (braked too much, early to 50 kph, good turn)
over hill 23’16 1 pend at top (max speed 27 kph)
T5 ~40’30 @ 5 kph
44’35 Over left hill after T5
67’16 just to 12km sign with log building across street
92’30 up to next right side curbing
before first left turn switch to backing up to the inside of ring
109’46 fully by metal wire fence on left
124’31 just to beginning of second left curbing
141’49 fully by little telephone booth thingy at third left
T6 147’28 @ 2kph
Then sling shot from 5 pends after left till over crest,
157’00 over little crest of hill
full gas, then pend whole way
168’33 @ 8kph over long hill
hill to carousel gas to VW, few pendulums back to inside of ring, then tack/pend up hill
183’01 @ 6 kph enter carousel
use bottom of carousel ( smoother ) freewheel out, leaving carousel at 18 kph
197’51 fully by start of curbing on first left turn (back to inside)
217’56 fully by wood shack on left at gentle left curve (sling shot2-3 times in middle)
239’44 wheel just touches white graffiti at steep left-hander
243’40 fully out of white graffiti
256’17 switch done; back to curbing on steep right then switch and back to outside
T7 289’20.428 @21kph
free wheel, no brakes. short hill: tricky, back to outside, pend to get up
297’48 over shirt hill
T8 296’00.346 @16 kph mph free wheel through T9
T9 297’59.793 @36kph
307’52 over little hill before banked left, sling shot
free wheel for bit, gas through banked turn, then free wheel again, small hill before last right before straight, no tacking, more efficient to pendulum
319’07 over hill, free wheel
T10 320’41.05 @39kph
T11 328’41.077 @18 kph
351’55.763 DONE!

WOWOW!! I only just looked up this thread after thinking no one had posted recently in it, and many BIG congrats are in order for theGREATms!!

Just edited my sig appropriately. This is soo awesome that its still a fierce contest! 2 best times each to Mezar and thegreatms!

For a minute I thought it was a 1 horse race and you'd given up! But wow how I was mistaken! It may be a 2 horse race, but who can use their 1hp to claim another best time (and hence the lead)?!

BIG UPS TO thegreatms!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

anyone tried the Mercades-Benz's carrige on the ring??

Erm, that would be a "yes".

 

[RenesisEvo]

Congrats 👍 I have no idea how you manage to go so quick. I plan on just completing a single lap in GTMode with the Patent Wagon, just to be the 3rd person to do so, but that'll take me about 2-3x longer than your attempt!! Some practise is needed methinks, but I haven't got the time at the moment.

Keep it up guys!!

 

[hek1]

I remember someone stating that it was "impossible" to get the Daimler-Benz motor carriage around the Nurburgring due to the steep hills encountered. However they obviously weren't as persistent, nor as insane in the membrane as me! Two days of carefully zigging and zagging up the hills finally got me a lap time of 47 hrs, 50 mins. Seconds and split second denominations are kinda irrelevant. Wish I had a digital camera to prove it! I know some will doubt my claim, and commitment and sanity!

How I did it:
Arcade mode, 0.2 extra KW in the 'quick tuning' menu! Whoohoo! Up to a massive 1.2 KW of sheer grunt. I took off some weight also, as much as the game allowed.
Economy tyres for minimal rolling resistence to get max use of rolling up some hills that would've slowed progress severely.

Down hills:
Easy part. These sections felt like short-lived wonderful rainbows after the nightmarish foreboding horrible hills. The Motor Carriage tops out at a blinding 19km/h. However freewheeling in reverse gets it up to around 80km/h in places (briefly) and was very fun to coast much of the downhill and flatter sections like this! I even lost heaps of traction and "drifted" around corners, getting it up on two wheels occasionally! Can anyone get much faster than 80km/h in this bad boy billycart? Any track allowed. Just getting to the top of a big hill is the hard part...

Up Hills:
Oh dear. You kind of need to use a very laborious 'pendulum' motion. Picture the 'Carriage' perpendicular to the track (or more accurately parallel to the hill gradient line, so that its neither pointing up or down). Okay, now accelerate getting it up to about 5km/h or hopefully more if you go down-hill very slightly initially. Now very smoothly turn to drive up the hill for about 1 metre if your lucky (usually less if it's a bugger of a hill ). Then when you come to a complete stop due to the, ah, hill - CAREFULLY let it roll backwards slowly whilst turning full lock, braking to ensure traction (and precious distance up the hill) isn't lost. Carefully get it to a spot again perpendicular (or VERY slightly pointing down hill) to the track and with the rear wheels just nearly touching the grass. You should be where you started, but a few centimetres higher up the hill ready for another 'swing'. Its kinda like a pendulum motion, being slightly powered in one direction of the motion, which means you can very slowly make your way higher up the hill! Sometimes it can feel like you're not getting higher though! Persistance is the game and eventually you'll get to the top which is sheer bliss.

Another technique that seemed affective on the flatter hills, was to do a complete circle with full power, getting it into top gear (2nd) and then straightening up to slingshot it a bit higher up the hill. This is impossible on the steeper hills as you lose too much traction (and height) when turning the carriage back up hill after it's downward sweep. Trying to slingshot round in circles on steep hills will just lose you precious height.

Doing this lap was incredibly satisfying as during the whole ordeal I actually had to think a bit and be very careful the whole time. I also never knew when and if I would come to a hill that was impossible to climb! This has confirmed that ANY car in GT4 is technically capable of getting around mostly any track in the game (haven't checked all tracks for obvious reasons! Laguna Seca might be hard...). Its only up to the sheer care, PATIENCE and determination of the driver. After working out how to get up my first hill in the Motor Carriage that wouldn't normally have been possible I knew I had to go for a whole lap of the Nurb!

What do people think? Any contenders for beating my lap record of 47hrs, 50mins round the ring? Please note the record can be beaten as I didn't know exactly what I was doing for the first little while, and the time includes some eating and sleeping time... Also max speed records for the 1889 billy-cart should be fun!

Any questions welcome, if I'm not asleep! Feel free to try the 'ring with the pendulum hill climbing technique and you'll agree its possible. Its very hard to get your technique down that minimises height to be lost. Any other tracks that provide good steep hills for a reverse freewheeling speed record? This is a game in itself..

Also I feel it would be easier to go around the 'ring backwards (maybe more gradual changes in elevation, in the direction you'd have to climb the hills, just a guess), ironically sometimes pointing forwards...hah!

Again very sorry for no pics, no facility for that kind of thing.

omg haha ... nice

 

[James2097]

omg haha ... nice

I'm kinda uncomfortable with how often people give me all the credit for this motor carriage stuff without noticing (by reading beyond the first post) how much more awesome people like Mezar5 and thegreatms have been!

Still, thanks dude. Glad to see some guys are still finding this thread and getting a laugh out of it!

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

I think I've found a track the Motor Carriage cannot do... SEATTLE.
If it can be sone, you could get some wicked speeds on the down hill section that just goes down, flat, down flat near the end on the reverse circuit

 

[James2097]

I think I've found a track the Motor Carriage cannot do... SEATTLE.
If it can be sone, you could get some wicked speeds on the down hill section that just goes down, flat, down flat near the end on the reverse circuit

It would definately be a contender for impossibility (due to the narrowness of the track in spots that limits pendulumning) along with Laguna Seca. It would be nice to see Mezar5 or thegreatms try and work out which tracks the Motor Carriage/Wagon can/can't get around.

I'm not sure they'd be too enthralled with finding out, the other tracks just ain't as cool as the nurb.

 

[thegreatms]

Well I'm back... I hope some of the old guys from this thread are still around. I had alot of time to kill on my xmas holiday and got a new record. here it is:

motor-carriage in arcade

T1 2.21.825 @53KPH
T2 20.05.474 @76KPH
T3 21.55.841 @31KPH
T4 24.29.688 @57KPH
T5 37.23.617 @6KPH
T6 87.14.528 @3KPH
T7 154.08.197 @22KPH
T8 162.37.696 @19KPH
T9 162.33.300 @33KPH
T10 172.40.429 @35KPH
T11 178.08.375 @16KPH
T12 184.12.932

That's about 18 mins faster than the 202 posted before not to shabby for a first try. I think this time can definatly get below 3 hours.

im up to 3 of 4
Patent-wagon in arcade: 177'43.082 thegreatMS
Patent-wagon in GT: 351’55.763 thegreatms
Motor carriage in arcade: 184’12.932 thegreatMS
Motor carriage in GT: 416.12.547 mezar5

lets see if we can get this going again!

 

[James2097]

HOLY CRAP! The Carriage lives! This thread is like the Hilux from TopGear 👍

BIG congrats thegreatms
My sig is going back to Carriage & Wagon enthonement IMMEDIATELY!


I issue a call to arms for all Carriage and Wagon masters (or potential masters)! This thread still has it's vitals - not just a pulse, but thegreatms delivered a true shock to the system, just when I thought it was 6 foot under...

Is Mezar there lurking in the shadows? OneDarkHorse?

 

[MisterWeary]

This looks like a cool idea, If I get a few spare hours (days?!?) I'll give it a crack

 

[Thiele]

thats crazy!

if i tried it id be after about 5 hours

but i must say congratulations im impressed

 

[Thiele]

thats

if i tried it id be after about 5 hours

but i must say congratulations im impressed:tup:

 

[Thiele]

how did mine get here twice when i tried to edit it?

 

[FormulaGT]

Is it possible to do a lap in GT Mode? Haven't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has already been asked.

FormulaGT

 

[crimson_menace]

Y'all are freakin' nuts.

I'll give it a shot.

 

[Master_Yoda]

Y'all are freakin' nuts.

I'll give it a shot.

Agreed, i wanna try this and i'm gonna beat ur 47 hours.

 

[Thiele]

It would definately be a contender for impossibility (due to the narrowness of the track in spots that limits pendulumning) along with Laguna Seca. It would be nice to see Mezar5 or thegreatms try and work out which tracks the Motor Carriage/Wagon can/can't get around.

I'm not sure they'd be too enthralled with finding out, the other tracks just ain't as cool as the nurb.

i did seattle in 33:07 with the daimler

 

[ferrari_chris]

i did seattle in 33:07 with the daimler

Did you have to use the slingshot/pendulem thing to get around, and which way did you go?

 

[Piotr]

Congrats mate, your one patient driver.

 

[Appie]

👍

 

[thegreatms]

I'm glad to see this is going again. To bad I'm 3000 miles away from my ps2 and gt4. This will give you guys a chance to take back some of the records.

I see one person already tried seattle; maybe we will start challanging all the courses...that could take a while. Was the seattle run in GT mode or Arcade mode? HP boost/weight reduction?

 

[Mezar5]

Thegreatms, good job. In my mind you already owned that record, and the other one I still have, it was just a matter of you putting the time in. I think you and I have different styles and I think you have a better technique than I do. Is there a way to race on the track at the same time. Perhaps there is through the internet. I would be up for that.

I would need to brush up though. I have yet to even hook up my system since we moved a few months ago. They are just finishing the basement this month so I'll probably have it set up before the end of Feb. I bought a guitar though and have really been spending all of my free time with that. So I wonder if I'll even get back to this. It will always be a great memory of mine even if I don't though. Thanks to all who have partaken. Glad to see this board reserrected. I'll keep checking back.

I may HAVE to give Seattle a try. Must be cool flying down the big hill. I assume you can't go up it.

 

[James2097]

Of course you can do it in GT mode FormulaGT, look at my sig!

Thanks guys for enjoying this stuff again! Hope the guitar is fun Mezar5!