20 million credits for free!
- Thread starter Tobiascyclist
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Its not the same thing, its not the same thing at all. It's so far from not being the same thing I can't even correct your comparison to make it more relevant.
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- Flsurffisher
Well if PD & Sony think the payouts are legit and that you must grind or micro-transact then this will be the last GT I buy. For me GT is about the cars and racing online. If it weren't for the B-spec grinding widget in GT5 it wouldn't have been nearly as enjoyable. So this is par for the course. Which its looking like when 7 rolls around I'm out.
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Good for you, but what about driving a more expensive car? What is the cost of rebuilding the engine of a 20,000,000 credit car, and so on? Are you saying we should only drive cheap cars?
If Sony truly wanted to make the "micro" transactions optional, maintenance costs would be free, or you would get free credits every week just to maintain your cars, or something. And if you didn't want to wait a week, you could buy more credits. But that's not what they are doing.
Let's be clear about this: they are asking you to pay extra to unlock cars that are already in the game. This is not a DLC. This is not additional content. You are paying for something that is included in the game you have already paid for. And then, there's the higher maintenance costs.
Saying this is "optional" is like saying you have the option to walk from LA to NY. If you want to fly, drive, or take a train, it will cost you $100,000,000, on top of your traveling expenses. But hey, no one is forcing you to do it. You can always walk there. Or you can stay home. It's your choice, right?
I have to disagree. Not just because paying $20 for a 20M car, included in the game you have already bought for $60, is a ridiculous price. Even if it only cost $0.10, it would be wrong.
It's like buying a car, and in addition to the cost of gas and regular maintenance, you had to pay a fee to the dealership every time you started the engine, if you wanted to drive more than once a day. You can still drive without paying the fee, but you'd better leave the car running.
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More akin to if I purchased a Uhaul storage locker from you, including everything that was in it. We agree on a price, I pay you in full. Then, after the transaction is complete, I go to open it up to retrieve my purchased goods, and all of a sudden you come back and say that there is a fee to acquire the key that unlocks the door, and that key happens to cost ~50 times what I paid for the locker in the first place. (rough estimate of game retail price vs. in-game credit purchase cost to acquire all cars.)
So this glitch is just as though there was no unexpected access fee.
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Exactly. This "glitch" does not make you a better driver, and it does not give you any advantage over others as a driver.
Anyone who has a moral issue with this, should be equally outraged with people being able to buy credits instead of grinding. What about the million credits you got pre-ordering from amazon.com? Doesn't that give you an unfair advantage over other people who didn't pre-order? Gimme a break.
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- dimebolt_1976
in bold: THIS.
I've always appreciated that skilled people work long hours and create complicated things, even if it is only digital. Regardless of the content existing in a tangible, solid form, skill, craft and hours were put into that by someone. If PD release tracks and cars, that coders etc, built and put the hours into, I am more than happy to pay for that kind of genuinely crafted DLC. No problem. People need to get paid after all.
£37.99 or something, whatever it is, for someone having clicked a mouse twice, to add a mostly ineffective number of credits to the PSN, doesn't represent value for money, in my eyes.
Paying for someone's hard work is OK for me personally. But credits? Not for me, thanks. I recall Dara O'Brien talking about that it appears that the video game industry, is the only entertainment industry that denies you the ability to enjoy and experience the full content of the item you just payed for.
Used to be that devs would code in cheats for us lesser skilled players, so that their hard work could still be enjoyed. Letting people enjoy ALL of it, no matter how fast or slowly they experience it, can only be good business, if it means they ENJOYED it? They'll want to come back next time, most likely. Charging people on top of the original game price, as MOST devs are doing now, is only p***ing people off. It's not just the GT community, it's all over the net from all kinds of fans of games. This practice is going to eat itself, i assume.
Can you imagine film releases starting down the micro-transactions route, allowing only the first 3 quarters of the movie to be shown, unless you buy the rest of it's content, locked on the disc. Extremely far fetched, I know, but I'd imagine Capcom might consider it, if they went into the movie business
Oh and FlameWater, as of 7.25pm UK time, glitch appears to still be working.
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- Roadrunr72
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- JPD_Norris
Grinding is hardly rewarding either. I grinded out all day to get the Ford MkIV in GT5 and I didn't feel a sense of achievement at the end, I was just glad it was over. I felt no different buying it using this glitch than I did spending many hours grinding it out. Ultimately, if this glitch didn't exist I'd have got the car down the line somehow but I am happy to have it now as it was one of my favourite cars in the game.
Also, it's unfair to say they're losing money. That implies that people doing this glitch intended to buy credits until it came along. I myself can categorically say I never had any intention of using micro transactions, so they have 'lost' no money from myself.
Nobody is getting ahead either, the pre order bonuses offered cars that were pretty fast anyway, all for just pre ordering. A similar exploit existed in GT5 on SSR that a lot of people used to get cars too, the only real difference is there was none of this micro transaction stuff back then, same for myself back then, never have considered paying real money for virtual credits and certainly not at the stupid levels they've stuck them at.
Also, it's unfair to say they're losing money. That implies that people doing this glitch intended to buy credits until it came along. I myself can categorically say I never had any intention of using micro transactions, so they have 'lost' no money from myself.
Nobody is getting ahead either, the pre order bonuses offered cars that were pretty fast anyway, all for just pre ordering. A similar exploit existed in GT5 on SSR that a lot of people used to get cars too, the only real difference is there was none of this micro transaction stuff back then, same for myself back then, never have considered paying real money for virtual credits and certainly not at the stupid levels they've stuck them at.
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- crash27wwjd
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No one is stealing anything. I'm pretty sure most people paid something like $60 for the game and everything in it.
If "micro" transactions are truly optional, and they do not affect the gameplay in any way, then Sony is not losing anything at all, right? You can't have it both ways.
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- Utah
I hear you. GT3 was perfect in that "rags to riches" approach. I still remember racing for the money to buy better tyres to my Miata, and the joy of winning my first race car, it was the DTM Mercedes and I won it through a Mercedes-only cup.
But if you played GT3 you know that you could get seriously rich towards the end of the game, and that the prize cars were great and valuable. And you must agree that what PD (or Sony, not sure what carpet crawlers to blame) totally LOST IT from GT3 to GT6.
GT4 was less well balanced than GT3 - we started too rich, winning up to 3 cars with every license, but the progression stalled a bit at some point. Then again, GT4 had the Suzuka 8 hours giving a LMP car per win (Nissan IIRC) , and most importantly GT4 had B-SPEC. I always despised B-Spec, but I sure made it grind for me during the night. New car in the morning, sell, get money. It was a cheap solution but it worked.
GT5 started out as a nightmare, and turned out to be even worse than GT4 about game progression and the "need to grind" - Again, we had to cover uncharted territory, this was the first online Gran Turismo. Again, terribly balanced game progression, too many cars at the start, too short in cash to really progress. I still laugh with friends remembering the stupid things we did, like trying to get our GTR Nissans impaled by a wall in SSR-7, so we could go under a bridge spend 10 minutes doing donuts. Or using a friend with Jay Leno´s tank car to smash us all and our precious X2010 cars into another crack in the Nurburgring's wall, then going below the paddock area and do circles behind the pits and S/F line
But hey ... PD understood the message and solved the cronic lack of funds by being generous with the seasonal's prizes
Now, GT6 ... same old, same old, but worse. We are again starving for money when playing, even the seasonals give out very litle, online prize for winning a race is a joke, the truly lovable cars cost MILLIONS, the prize cars are nothing like the real thing, so we are stuck? No, now we aren't, because they SELL game money to us. Sorry, people that read the Hunger Games will understand me, but I think Sony is probably run by President Snow. And I don't like the way he planned these games to be played.
So (and this to PD), bring back the GT3 sound logic of game progression, one game that felt both demanding AND rewarding. If you don't want to, then take out of the game 1000 cars and offer them as payable download. It would be more honest than this.
GT4 still had a great prize system. You could still replay not only single races but championships, getting the prize car once again. And don't forget the Rally even in Costa di Amalfi which granted you the RSC that costs 249,000Cr. Since GT1 until GT4 there was always a short race that gave you a big prize for when you needed more money. This is what gave old GT's a huge replay value. You always had that sense of accomplishment when playing, no matter what race you repeated. I don't know why PD got rid of this if it wasn't broken in the first place, but PS3 GT's seem to have gone downhill in this aspect.
I agree with your point, but also consider this: Why would people who spend real money on credits would only feel sick of other people getting credits through the glitch? They should also feel sick knowing that they spent money on something that can be obtained freely by just playing the game, regardless of the time it takes. I would understand if Credits would only be obtainable through real cash. Now that would be a legitimate reason for them to feel sick.
This proves how ambiguous this situation is, and it also proves how low it is for PD (Sony, hopefully) to offer microtransactions. On top of that, making the game's progress extremely difficult (when older GT's have proven to have beautiful prize and economy systems) just to motivate people to participate in this that I can only define as a scam.
I think it's just sad how games these days are loosing the essence of what being a game really is.
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- WhoosierGirl
This has been my GT6 experience so far, I picked up my copy from gamestop on the 6th after work. I was excited to start the game fresh because I had only been on GT5 for a little over a year and had never started a new release game. I started out on Friday night and worked my way through some of the licenses to be able to go online, normal life slowed down the progress and I wasn't online until Sunday.
I didn't have enough money to use any of the cars that my friends and I use so I paid real money for credits to get those cars. After only a few hours of racing the cars are all needing the chassis rebuild and I don't have enough in-game money to fix them. Because the prize money is so low and the chassis's die off quickly and GT6 doesn't have B-spec, I either have to drive endlessly in the career mode or pay for credits to rebuild my cars. There is also no car sharing so doing seasonals for the casual player like me is over also. I'm not spending what little I have to upgrade a Honda Fit.
The feeling that the game is unfinished and a grab for money on PD's part starts to set in. That taken feeling combined with how bad the lag has been online and I was quickly loosing interest, to the point that I haven't been back on for about three days.
I normally would not want to go out of the paramerters of the game but, as a single mother who works a lot of hours and has limited time to play the game, this interests me. It may not be the right thing to do but, neither is releasing an unfinished product and almost forcing the casual user to pay more money to enjoy it.
I didn't have enough money to use any of the cars that my friends and I use so I paid real money for credits to get those cars. After only a few hours of racing the cars are all needing the chassis rebuild and I don't have enough in-game money to fix them. Because the prize money is so low and the chassis's die off quickly and GT6 doesn't have B-spec, I either have to drive endlessly in the career mode or pay for credits to rebuild my cars. There is also no car sharing so doing seasonals for the casual player like me is over also. I'm not spending what little I have to upgrade a Honda Fit.
The feeling that the game is unfinished and a grab for money on PD's part starts to set in. That taken feeling combined with how bad the lag has been online and I was quickly loosing interest, to the point that I haven't been back on for about three days.
I normally would not want to go out of the paramerters of the game but, as a single mother who works a lot of hours and has limited time to play the game, this interests me. It may not be the right thing to do but, neither is releasing an unfinished product and almost forcing the casual user to pay more money to enjoy it.
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- ProjectWHaT
I spent a whole hour yesterday just buying cars using the 20 mill. I have most of my favorite cars now. I'm probably going to do it again tonight to buy even more cars lol
No.
Ill try...
More like you left your garage door open and there was an old sign inside that said "free for all" that you used at a county fair.
People came in and picked up whatever they want because they thought it was free and didn't think anything was wrong because the gate was open the sign sitting right there. They also rang the bell but no one answered.
Next time, close the garage door and keep the sign away from view.
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- PURE_DrWatson
I'll take a stab it it...It's more like you bought your snow blower and all the stuff in your garage but I'm not going to let you use the blower until you can do 500 push-ups in 2 minutes. The lawn mower until you finish writing "I would like to mow my lawn" out by hand on paper 20,000 times, and every time you want a tool you have to solve a riddle.
Or you could just exploit a loop-hole in my usage policy and use the stuff you paid for as you see fit.
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- NOS_Waster
- NOS Waster
The formatting and restore process is tedious, but I did it in about an hour. I'll make my old hard disk, have a backup save, and will get to finishing up my 500 car garage. My main hard disk is a SSD so image updating shouldn't take more that 5 minutes
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- Teth75
5 mins? lol, you sure? Mines on ssd 390 cars and it took about 40 mins!The formatting and restore process is tedious, but I did it in about an hour. I'll make my old hard disk, have a backup save, and will get to finishing up my 500 car garage. My main hard disk is a SSD so image updating shouldn't take more that 5 minutes
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- CRaccoon23
I'm not going to lie. Even though I'm not worried about it right now, I'm still uncertain of how I'll obtain the 10,000,000+ Cr. cars in the game's current state, let alone the maintaince for them.
And of course we shouldn't settle for only the cheap cars. I agree with what you're saying. The game is obviously set up to pressure players into paying real money for credits. The same thing happened with FM5 and I'm not surprised it's happening with GT6. I'm still upset by it though. Greed has really hurt the game as a whole.
But the bottom line is, we all have our different ways of dealing with the situation. My previous post is how I'm dealing with it. It's the best I can do to find middle ground because the two extremes are to either keep grinding the highest paying race endlessly for measely payouts or use this glitch and virtually get infinite money, which IMO throws the point of career mode out of the window and that's not something I want to sacrafice. Others want to do the latter because they just want to enjoy all of the cars now, and I'm perfectly okay with that. But I want to take my time with the game and not try to get the most expensive cars just yet. GT6 is only a week old after all.
I just hope Sony/PD sees what they're causing with these microtransactions and fix the game's structure that they purposely broke.
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Why not play fairly through career mode and if grinding gets too tedious, then make use of the exploit? I don't mind making my way slowly through the game and grinding for a while either, but after experiencing it in the early days of GT5 I'm not too enthusiastic about doing it again in GT6. If it was GT1 through GT4 type of grinding, then it would be a different story, because back then it was actually fun and rewarding.
