2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery
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Nothing that I wouldn't suspect to begin with. It is interesting to hear that the GT-R has similar performance to the 911 Turbo, but it is no threat to the Z06 or SRT-10 as it would seem. I'm more eager to hear about pricing and availability, however, we aren't due for the car until calendar year 2008, so we've got a while.
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GTR thread:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45470&page=19
its also been spotted at laguna seca reportedly "stomping" the 911
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45470&page=19
its also been spotted at laguna seca reportedly "stomping" the 911
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I would say that if its fighting the 911 Turbo then the Corvette will probably come into the equation somehow wouldn't it? Seems like the Z06 is fighting the Turbo anyways
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Source: AutoCar
Sources say the base version of the Porsche 911 rival will be the equivalent of £29,000 in Japan.
The lower price is down to the brakes and transmission. While the entry-level GT-R will employ a six-speed manual gearbox and four-piston Brembo brakes, the £35,000 V-spec version will get six-piston Brembos and a dual-clutch, two-pedal, seven-speed DSG box. A GT-R Evolution with carbon fibre parts to reduce weight will be nearer £52,000.
Sources say the base version of the Porsche 911 rival will be the equivalent of £29,000 in Japan.
The lower price is down to the brakes and transmission. While the entry-level GT-R will employ a six-speed manual gearbox and four-piston Brembo brakes, the £35,000 V-spec version will get six-piston Brembos and a dual-clutch, two-pedal, seven-speed DSG box. A GT-R Evolution with carbon fibre parts to reduce weight will be nearer £52,000.
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Awesome news, hope its reliable.
DSG style gearbox confirmed, proper manual option also confirmed and for 29,000 pounds! Great!
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That's what, 50K U.S.?
Forget the Corvette..I'm getting something more...exotic...
Forget the Corvette..I'm getting something more...exotic...
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I'd pay a little more for the extra exclusivity and GT-R badge.
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A little rant...
From the tests they have done, especially around Sebring, they said that it matches the performance of the 997 911 Turbo. This might be the case and even though the GTR's price is pocket change compared to the Porsche; it's still not a competitor from a market stand point. I'm a Porsche enthusiast and this means that I wouldn't go buy a GTR because it costs 1/3 the price and performs as well. However, this automobile will be a serious threat (commercially speaking) to z4 m's, m3's, vettes, stangs, cayman's and others.
The GTR has gained phenomenal popularity here in North America over the past FEW years but I don't see that hurting PORSCHE's 40+ year 911 dominance.
From the tests they have done, especially around Sebring, they said that it matches the performance of the 997 911 Turbo. This might be the case and even though the GTR's price is pocket change compared to the Porsche; it's still not a competitor from a market stand point. I'm a Porsche enthusiast and this means that I wouldn't go buy a GTR because it costs 1/3 the price and performs as well. However, this automobile will be a serious threat (commercially speaking) to z4 m's, m3's, vettes, stangs, cayman's and others.
The GTR has gained phenomenal popularity here in North America over the past FEW years but I don't see that hurting PORSCHE's 40+ year 911 dominance.
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I agree. I the GT-R goes for less than $70K, I'd be rather surprised. Sure, the 'basic' version could, but most people realize that the V-Spec is the model worth getting, and it won't be cheap.
...Its probably going to try and chase the big kids, and it is hard to say if it will be faster or not. Certainly it will be interesting to compare it to cars like the Z06, SRT-10, 997 991 Turbo, F430, Gallardo, etc... But lets not get our hopes up. Guesstimate performance around the Corvette Z51 and Porsche Carrera S territory, and I think we'll be close-ish...
I'm being honest when I say that I don't want to be disappointed with this car, hence the reasons why I've set the standards so low. But even then, we're a long ways away from seeing the car in America, calendar year 2008 for sale as I have understood it...
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Er, there's no way it'll be heading to the UK for that price. The Japanese price is near useless; the STI Spec-C for example sold for something like £15,000 in Japan, but not even a WRX is that cheap. I'd actually say it'll probably be double that "Japan" price... so near 60,000 in the UK. Still seems like a decent buy though.
I'm not sure I'd compare it to the Z51 and CS though. They will be cross-shopped price-wise, but I expect higher performance from the GT-R.
The entry-level car sounds fine, I'm sure the brakes won't be a huge improvement over the stockers, and I think I'd rather have a six-speed.
I'm not sure I'd compare it to the Z51 and CS though. They will be cross-shopped price-wise, but I expect higher performance from the GT-R.
The entry-level car sounds fine, I'm sure the brakes won't be a huge improvement over the stockers, and I think I'd rather have a six-speed.
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Volkswagen GTI? You gots to be kidding me. The USDM (the one i'm referring to) isn't that fast. And you're comparing a 400 hp + GTR against it? I must have read things wrong or misunderstand something.
I'm sure the GTR will be faster than the 911 Turbo. There is no way they will be slower. I mean Nissan has been using the 911 Turbo as a benchmark. Nurburgring and Luguna Sega (sp) I'm sure the GTR will be as fast if not faster than the 911 Turbo.
Being compared to a Z06 makes much more sense then being compared to a 200 hp Volkswagen.
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There is a strong possibility that it could be as quick as the 997 Turbo, but in all seriousness, I'm not getting my hopes up. Sure, I'm expecting a lot from this car, but setting standards too high is always a bad thing...
I'm going to guess 4 seconds 0-60, top speed around 180-190 MPH, maybe pull 0.95-0.98 g on the skidpad, and probably do the lane change near the 70 MPH mark. So basically, we're in that in between spot of the 997 Turbo/Z06 and Carrera S/Z51, a decent spot to be at no-less.
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What if (theoretically speaking naturally) it would be even wit Z06 or even better than it? I mean, this is the first time when Nissans new FM-platfor will be dealing with the combination of sophisticated AWD system and big load of power.
and then, there is that GT-R Evolution model, that's the hardcore edition with 7-speed paddleshift dsg box and carbonfibre and no backseat etc..
and then, there is that GT-R Evolution model, that's the hardcore edition with 7-speed paddleshift dsg box and carbonfibre and no backseat etc..
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Certainly, there is a possibility that it could outrun the Z06, but the Corvette has had a pretty solid track-record against the Porsche in terms of performance. They're close, and like it has been noted in other threads, it largely depends on the track they are at. Big and long gives way to the Corvette and Porsche, small and technical favor cars like (presumably) the GT-R and F430.
...However, I'm not certain of anything over at Nissan. Sure, they could surprise us, but I'm uncertain if they will surprise us...
However, if I may go through a few of your points:
- The FM platform is a bit old-ish, and although I would assume that Nissan has updated it for use in the GT-R, there is still one major problem: Weight. It is what kills the 350Z's performance overall, and with the addition of AWD in the GT-R, it only increases the issues of the given measurement. While I am certain that Nissan will presumably take advantage of lightweight materials, I highly doubt it will be lighter than the 997 Turbo or the Z06 (3494 vs 3192 respectively), given that the 350Z clocks in at 3400lbs to begin with.
- Evolution model aside, most people are likely to go with the 'average' model with the standard 6-speed manual, etc. The addition of a 'hardcore' suspension and a 7-speed DSG-like transmission isn't going to make it an automatic performer, case-in-point the BMW M-series cars. The question is more likely whether or not Nissan decides to make a specifically track-oriented model alike the Z06, and if they can execute it properly for the true sport-oriented setup.
- Finally, price is likely to be the 'Achilles heel' with this car. With presumed base prices stuck around $70K, its already deep into Z06 territory, and with the given Evolution model, thats presumably going into 600 BHP SRT-10 territory. Beyond that, we've still got a long time until the GT-R debuts, calendar year 2008 by most estimates given by Nissan. By then, we may have the 650 BHP Corvette on our hands, Dodge will already be playing with its 600 BHP Viper, Porsche will likely have the GT2 on the streets, and of course there is always the wild-card of the Audi R8...
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The Nissan GTR WILL be faster around most tracks than a 997 911 Turbo. I doubt Nissan cares too much about 0-60 and skidpad numbers, and they really shouldnt. They care about their car being faster than the Turbo.
The speed isnt variable, the target will be met. The price is. How well Nissan develops this car will determine how much it costs. Best case senario, it ends up corvette priced. Worst case, it follows Audi R8 type increases and ends up around 100k US dollars. I would guess 75 grand for a good middle model.
As for the weight, i expect something between 1550kg and 1650kg. Itll still be deadly quick. Japanese sports cars have always been fast for their power-weight ratios, just like Porsches and Ferraris.
And you shouldnt use the 350Z for any referenceto the GTR. The R34 blew the doors off the Z and that car is almost ten years old and way underpowered compared to this new one.
The speed isnt variable, the target will be met. The price is. How well Nissan develops this car will determine how much it costs. Best case senario, it ends up corvette priced. Worst case, it follows Audi R8 type increases and ends up around 100k US dollars. I would guess 75 grand for a good middle model.
As for the weight, i expect something between 1550kg and 1650kg. Itll still be deadly quick. Japanese sports cars have always been fast for their power-weight ratios, just like Porsches and Ferraris.
And you shouldnt use the 350Z for any referenceto the GTR. The R34 blew the doors off the Z and that car is almost ten years old and way underpowered compared to this new one.
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We'll see. Certainly prototypes have appeared to be running faster than the Turbo, but in final spec, things could be drastically different a year or so from now. We'll find out, won't we?
Well, if we can't use the 350Z, shall we use the G35/G37? I mean, they are essentially the 'basic' versions of the GT-R, and certainly could shed some light on the future of the GT-R...
So, lets see:
The 2006 G35 clocked in at 3472 lbs, versus that of 3532 for the 2007 model that had replaced it. That is just shy of a 2% increase in weight overall. Now if we are to apply a similar figure to the G35 Coupe (rated at 3524 lbs), it sticks it right at the 3594-ish mark. Keep in mind that it is a RWD version in question, and it would be a rough idea for where the G37 coupe could clock-in.
...Now given that the 2007 G35x adds an additional 172 lbs to the sedan for the AWD setup, applying the similar figures puts the 'G37x' at 3766 lbs. This is of course short of the presumed weight of the GT-R as well given the extra plumbing required for the turbos, the additional weight of the different transmissions, wheels, interior combos, etc. So by the time the day is done, 3900lbs seems like a reasonable estimate overall for the car, of course largely depending on just how much lightweight materials they use. So, as low as 3700, as high as 3900...
Lets hope for some big power numbers from the twin-turbocharged VQ37. So if we were to attempt to match the 997 Turbo at 7.28 lbs/BHP, the Nissan would have to put down (lets marginalize it at 3800lbs) at least 522 BHP to match the power-to-weight ratio. Most figures are anticipating 450 or so BHP, so at a solid 8.4 lb/BHP, its behind the competition just a bit, theoretically of course.
...We'll see what happens. Maybe there is some special magic they're planning on using that we don't know about...
