2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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I highly doubt any GT-R will be able to lap the ring at 7:35, even the top spec Evo version. Just because a prototype did it doesnt mean the production car will. At a similar weight to the SLR, the GT-R lacks 150 hp. Its irrational to think of it hustling around in 7:35. Whatever time the 911 turbo has on the ring, will be much more similar to the GT-Rs potential time.
 
welll im just posting up info i read on the net. Some guy posted a comment on an autoblog.com article with that link. Thought i'd share
 
SagarisGTB
I highly doubt any GT-R will be able to lap the ring at 7:35, even the top spec Evo version. Just because a prototype did it doesnt mean the production car will. At a similar weight to the SLR, the GT-R lacks 150 hp. Its irrational to think of it hustling around in 7:35. Whatever time the 911 turbo has on the ring, will be much more similar to the GT-Rs potential time.
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So lap times are decided purely by power/weight ratio?

Right...
 
Well, Sagaris has a point. Power-to-weight ratios can decide how well a particular car may perform, but like always there is the question of rubber, driveterrain setups, weather, etc. My guess is as good as his; I'd expect the GT-R to run similar times compared to the 997 Turbo or the Z06...
 
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Joey D
Is there any word on the boost pressure of the GT-R? I mean that much power out of a 6 cylinder doesn't seem like it would produce an overly reliable engine.
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You know that engine is block is based on the VRH35L used in Le Mans racers. Also it was tuned by cosworth, who do know there way about a performance engine. I doubt it's any less reliable than a 997 turbo.
 
Do you guys read through the threads? The Autoweek link and Motor Trend both have been posted already.

Anyway I was unaware of the engine block being from a Le Mans car, but wasn't Cosworth the company that helped with the Ford RS200? The car that had so much power the engine went to hell in something like 10,000 miles.
 
Joey D
Do you guys read through the threads? The Autoweek link and Motor Trend both have been posted already.

Anyway I was unaware of the engine block being from a Le Mans car, but wasn't Cosworth the company that helped with the Ford RS200? The car that had so much power the engine went to hell in something like 10,000 miles.
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True, but that was 1 engine. Cosworth has done a lot better.
 
..expressed another way, an average NFL football player more than a 911 Turbo.

And 54 PS3s (~11 lbs/5 kg each) heavier than a Z06 ;)


M
 
Damn, these cars are getting heavy! I was going to post the Autoweek link, but apparently I've been beaten... :grumpy:


When I make a car company, I vow not to make any car over 5000 pounds, with 4000 pounds being the limit for luxury cars, 3500 for sedans, 3000 for coupes, and 2500 for sports cars. But I doubt I can do that...
 
///M-Spec
CLK63 Black: 3920
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I always forget about that car despite how much I love it. Truth be told, I'd take that over the GT-R in a heartbeat, but then again, good luck finding one in the US, much less anywhere near the MSRP.

...But yes, the GT-R seems quite heavy indeed. But there is plenty of BHP to offset that, and apparently they got the handling right (one of those automotive websites was saying 0.99g through the corners, about the same as a 997 Turbo and Z06). But, I still want to see it race against the main competition, which does indeed call for a Best Motoring test...
 
*McLaren*
It may have had no history, but the fact that those who knew Senna's involvement with it, and read about how it tore Ferrari a new one gobbled it up.
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The GT-R is not in the same situation as the NSX, not even by a long shot. When the NSX came out, it was new everywhere, and Honda's entire history was rather non-sporty for production cars. Nissan has had a long history of the Z cars in the US, and the GT-R has a fairly strong cult status everywhere, and a long global history. This is not an all-new car, but a new version.

*McLaren*
The NSX's price was it's only major downfall. The car though, still remained priceless to those who knew of its capabilities.
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The badge was the downfall, not the price. It came from a company that was far from known as a sports car company. It still isn't. As long as they insist on forcing econoboxes on us rather than Type-R anything, they'll get no respect with S2000's and NSX's, no matter how good they really are.
 
TheCracker
I don't even know if they officially sold it outside of Japan before the R34 model.
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I thought Australia got R32s?
Joey D
I mean that much power out of a 6 cylinder doesn't seem like it would produce an overly reliable engine.
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Even ignoring the fact that the GT-R engine is from the VR series, how many cylinders does the Porsche 911 Turbo have?
///M-Spec
Does anyone know if the GT-R actually makes money for Nissan in Japan?
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As far as I'm aware, Nissan sold every one at a loss from R32 up through R34.
Joey D
Anyway I was unaware of the engine block being from a Le Mans car, but wasn't Cosworth the company that helped with the Ford RS200? The car that had so much power the engine went to hell in something like 10,000 miles.
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They also made Formula 1 engines for 43 years. I doubt they are in too much trouble.
SagarisGTB
At a similar weight to the SLR, the GT-R lacks 150 hp.
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The SLR is also a spongy GT car that probably doesn't handle as well.
Oh, and:
Code: 
Car.                                     Lap            PWR
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale           7:56         3.001
Honda NSX-R                              7:56         4.379


Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33)                7:59         5.294
Porsche 911 Turbo (996)                  7:56         3.619
 
Toronado
The SLR is also a spongy GT car that probably doesn't handle as well.
Oh, and:
Code: 
Car.                                     Lap            PWR
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale           7:56         3.001
Honda NSX-R                              7:56         4.379


Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33)                7:59         5.294
Porsche 911 Turbo (996)                  7:56         3.619
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The SLR isnt perfect, but please dont tell me it cant handle. It also has herculean brakes/air brake and 620-ish hp, which can make for a very quick lap around a high speed circuit.

Also, a 5.2 PWR for a R33 GT-R? Dont make me laugh, you are using a conservative power figure. R33s came fom the factory with mid-4s for PWR and its quite probable the one that ran that lap was even more powerful, they arent hard to squeek more power out of.

In any case, you are right, a PWR isnt everything. An F430 or NSX can definately prove that, when compared to a Ford GT, Koenigsegg, Viper or Corvette. But we are talking about an SLR Mclaren, a car which is already very quick for it's PWR.
 
SagarisGTB
The SLR isnt perfect, but please dont tell me it cant handle. It also has herculean brakes/air brake and 620-ish hp, which can make for a very quick lap around a high speed circuit.
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I didn't tell you it couldn't handle. I told you the GT-R will probably handle better.

SagarisGTB
Also, a 5.2 PWR for a R33 GT-R? Dont make me laugh, you are using a conservative power figure. R33s came fom the factory with mid-4s for PWR
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I understand that, but it doesn't change my point, and I was too lazy to screw around on Google looking for power figures.

SagarisGTB
its quite probable the one that ran that lap was even more powerful, they arent hard to squeek more power out of.
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Which I personally doubt, given the source.

SagarisGTB
But we are talking about an SLR Mclaren, a car which is already very quick for it's PWR.
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Huh? SLR McLaren has a PWR of 2.796. It is tied with a car that has a PWR of 3.303 (997 Turbo) and another car that has a very similar PWR of 2.742 (Murcy LP640), and is right in front of a car with a PWR of 2.804 (Ford GT). It isn't fast for anything, much less its PWR. If anything it is right in line with everyone else, if not a little slow.
 
How is that official? There is no source cited anywhere, and the "date" that they claim that validates it isn't a date at all, it just says October 2007.
 
TheCracker
I don't even know if they officially sold it outside of Japan before the R34 model.
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New Zealand got the R30,R31,R32,R33 and R34 Skylines. We got the full range of R30 and R31 (including the diesels :yuck:) up to the GT-Rs. We only got the GT-R version of the R32 and R33 in very limited numbers and with the R34 you could get the GT-T and the GT-R.
 
Leonidae
7'35 is official:scared::crazy: just a second behind 1145kg CCR, with 1740kg?! something doesn't add up now.. or then it does and we have the performance car of the century right there..:nervous::ill:
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Doesn't mean anything. That unverified time was set by a prototype. Prototype times don't mean anything next to production times.
 

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