200pt A-spec races
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Congrats - I am a looong way behind. I also think its great the way yoiu have EXACTLY 100k points - pretty good going 👍
Side note: any chance of a comprehensive summary (i.e, including manufacturer races??) Haven't seen one for a while, and the last one had big holes in it.
From today: AMG Merc 190E EvoII touring car: R2 tyres, used oil, 146kg ballast - gets 200pts against line-up #3 from console reset at all tracks bar Nurburgring (havent tried it - too scared!) and Opera - use line-up #4 (with an indentical 190E at the very front of the grid) with 200kgs ballast. Having the slowest car in front stops the Merc CLK-DTM running away. How route_66 won on S2 tyres I'll never know
that guy has some skills.
Side note: any chance of a comprehensive summary (i.e, including manufacturer races??) Haven't seen one for a while, and the last one had big holes in it.
From today: AMG Merc 190E EvoII touring car: R2 tyres, used oil, 146kg ballast - gets 200pts against line-up #3 from console reset at all tracks bar Nurburgring (havent tried it - too scared!) and Opera - use line-up #4 (with an indentical 190E at the very front of the grid) with 200kgs ballast. Having the slowest car in front stops the Merc CLK-DTM running away. How route_66 won on S2 tyres I'll never know
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Sorry about the crappy picture but i am crap on pc's and my mates had to many beers to do it properly.
Finally got there thanks alot to everyone for all the advice especially route 66 for starting this thread.
Stats seem a little fishy... exactly 100,000 A-spec points?
Kudo's if it was done without game shark 👍
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Sorry about the crappy picture but i am crap on pc's and my mates had to many beers to do it properly.
Finally got there thanks alot to everyone for all the advice especially route 66 for starting this thread.
Welcome to the club! 👍 So are you going higher? I quit when I got there because the only thing left is Route 66's total and that's out of my league. I finished with 100,069 and NO I didn't try to get that #
Gentry CoachWelcome to the club! 👍 So are you going higher? I quit when I got there because the only thing left is Route 66's total and that's out of my league. I finished with 100,069 and NO I didn't try to get that #
I am trying to get as many as i can. Route 66's total can be beaten but i don't know if i can do it. Should be a few thousand more in the races i have got left but i am stuck on quite a few where 200 is on offer i just can't seem to win them.
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Like many others I am going back through cleaning up available Aspec points. This weekend I went back to the El Capitan Enduro where I left 10 points on the table a while back. Originally I ran the race with a RX 7 Spirit R with horse power in the upper 300 range to be on par with the AI; Zonda, Vette ZO 6 and Rally Sport, Vantage V8. In this race I lapped the entire field. On return I decided to run stock with the exception of LSD and triple clutch. Again I lapped the entire field. The only thing I can think of is that this race is designed to be an easy win in both Aspec 200 and obtaining your first LMP.
On another note I also reran the Grandvalley Endurance. Originally I ran it with the Merc 190 Evo Touring car completely stock, and left 50+ points on the table. This time around I used the Honda S2000 LM with stage 3 N/A and R1 racing super hard tires. The original race was won by a small 4 or 5 second margin due to medium slicks and excessive pitting. With the Honda it was won by well over a minute. I was getting 12 laps on a set of tires, where the Ford racer was getting 8, the Cerumo Supra was getting 14 laps, Takata NSX, and two others were getting 15 laps, and the Calibra wasn't a factor. The Honda S2000 is an awesome handling car just like it was in GT3.
I'm having a difficult time finding a good matchup at Nurb 4 hour. I'm half way through with the game paused at home, with a Elise 111r with LSD, triple clutch, tranny, S1, wing with only rear downforce, and it is a hard fought lead against the only competition, a Honda NSX-R. We are both on 5 lap pit schedules. I come out of the pits 15+ seconds ahead and go back in 5 laps later 5 seconds ahead. It is only a 122 point matchup. I only got 86 last go around with a Mustang Cobra, so clean up 36 but have a ways to go.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
JParker
On another note I also reran the Grandvalley Endurance. Originally I ran it with the Merc 190 Evo Touring car completely stock, and left 50+ points on the table. This time around I used the Honda S2000 LM with stage 3 N/A and R1 racing super hard tires. The original race was won by a small 4 or 5 second margin due to medium slicks and excessive pitting. With the Honda it was won by well over a minute. I was getting 12 laps on a set of tires, where the Ford racer was getting 8, the Cerumo Supra was getting 14 laps, Takata NSX, and two others were getting 15 laps, and the Calibra wasn't a factor. The Honda S2000 is an awesome handling car just like it was in GT3.
I'm having a difficult time finding a good matchup at Nurb 4 hour. I'm half way through with the game paused at home, with a Elise 111r with LSD, triple clutch, tranny, S1, wing with only rear downforce, and it is a hard fought lead against the only competition, a Honda NSX-R. We are both on 5 lap pit schedules. I come out of the pits 15+ seconds ahead and go back in 5 laps later 5 seconds ahead. It is only a 122 point matchup. I only got 86 last go around with a Mustang Cobra, so clean up 36 but have a ways to go.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
JParker
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Got the big 200 with the Honda at Grandvalley.jdw
Yea, I saw where route did it in the Garaiya but I think he used N tires. I hate those things. The 111r is 122 points at Nurburgring 4hr. I don't have anything enabled that lowers aspecs. The downforce is 0 on the front. I don't think the rear counts. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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JParkerGot the big 200 with the Honda at Grandvalley.
Awesome! Congrats. 👍
I managed 179 the first time. Told you about that one. My Suby!
Will have to go back and try that or the Wedsport or the Altezza TC at some point. Gotta at least try to be different
JParker
Was it N tires?
Ok, never mind! You think you hate those things now... wait until you try the Audi TT cup or the Saleen S7 race!
About the downforce... you know, I never checked! Is that right? We know that's the case for tires, but is that the case for downforce too? How does that affect your handling? Does it make a significant enough difference to make it useful?
That could prove to be another "shortcut" to 200p races!!! It can go along with all the other little cheats we've managed to compile -- better tires on the back, qualifying, blocking, dt/su ups, nitrous... riding the AI, wallriding, ramming the competition off the road, etc. We could order them in terms of most to least evil.
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Oh yes,, the Wedsport would rule!!!jdwWill have to go back and try that or the Wedsport or the Altezza TC at some point. Gotta at least try to be different
About the downforce... you know, I never checked! Is that right? We know that's the case for tires, but is that the case for downforce too? How does that affect your handling? Does it make a significant enough difference to make it useful?
That could prove to be another "shortcut" to 200p races!!! It can go along with all the other little cheats we've managed to compile -- better tires on the back, qualifying, blocking, dt/su ups, nitrous... riding the AI, wallriding, ramming the competition off the road, etc.
In regards to handling the 111r with rear downforce, it was a great improvement. It really helps stabilize the rear, but kills rear tire wear. I could probably easily get another lap at Nurburgring.
But you have managed to make me feel dirty. I really didn't think of it as cheating,,,,, until now. No; better tires on back, nitrous, AI/wall riding, ramming. I really don't think qualifying is cheating. What is "dt/su ups"?
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Drivetrain and suspension improvements.JParker
Made an interesting observation yesterday while getting my Suby 360 worn out by B-Spec Betty (<-). When I started it had 13.6 km on the clock and 16 ps. When I finished it had 3665.9 km and still 16 ps. A-spec points had gone from 130 to 132.
What was interesting though was that my b-spec km were only at 3358! That is a defference of 294 km. I have continued running the Suby - 14 hrs so far, another 7 before I get home - should be up around 10,000 km total - so I will check to see if the same trend continues.
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JParker
It makes the tires wear worse?
Wow, I would have thought it would do the opposite.
JParker
Sorry... didn't mean to make you feel bad!
What would be considered "cheap" kinda depends on your philosophy towards the game. Some of it boils down to how realistic you want the racing to be.
But, loosely speaking, since this is a MAX A-Spec point thread and that's the context... anything that improves your chances of winning over a stock version of the same car without affecting ASpec points could be considered "cheap". And there are various degrees of it.
Better tires on the back has some effect but not much. "dt/su ups" are my short name for Drivetrain and Suspension upgrades. They also have an effect but don't have a big effect unless you manually tweak them. Nitrous - big effect for short races, negligible effect for long ones.
Even disabling Driving Aids can be considered cheap simply because, if you disable them it can have a drastic effect on lap times. The slower the car, the bigger the effect. TCS just kills your cornering in sub-100hp cars. But, obviously, you won't get far in that argument
And I understand the counter-argument... that having the aids at default takes away from the "feel" of the game. Wallriding, in most cases makes things worse. But, when you start dealing with N1 tires on the front, sometimes the wall makes it a lot easier to turn around.
As for Qualifying. The idea of qualifying reflects what you would do in the real world. It's specifically part of the game. But there are reasons I think it's cheap.
First off, you can soup up your car to win. You qualify to get 1st. Where you start is particularly important for rolling starts and narrow tracks (e.g. Paris).
Second, we're talking about champsionships where each round is ONE or TWO laps! Qualifying is nearly equivalent to using nitrous for the advantage you'd gain from some of these. And it puts you in a better position to block where starting in the back means you have to get up front *before* you can start blocking.
Third, it's uneven between individual races that can have the same makeup.
But... that's all just my opinion.
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In my opinion everything is fair at beating the AI except wallriding and shortcuts, since the AI don't do it. Bumping them slightly or blocking them seems fair, and offcourse tweaking your suspention or transmission. But, in the persuit of hardcore A-spec points, you make your own rulez!
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jdw,
In my opinion, cheating is just that, exploiting areas of the game that allow you to make better lap times. Wall riding, ramming the AI to "brake" for corners or to knock them out of the running, riding the AI through corners for higher speed through corners, cutting through areas of tracks, these I agree are without a doubt cheating. Someone that is tuning a car and posting 200 point races in the "stock car" thread is cheating. The "stock car" thread is meant to be just that, a niche of people who are driving there cars 100% stock, and don't even open the tuning page.
However tuning a car with available tuning that doesn't effect Aspec points, I do not consider cheating. I think if it is available in the game, if it is a part of the game, it isn't exploiting a game flaw, it should be considered a fair part of gaming. There are many races, or even most, that the AI are running tuned cars to even the field.
On an earlier note, I completed the 4hr at Nurburgring. It was a 121 pt win. The 2nd place (NSX-R) margin was 1:20:xxx. My best lap was 7:47:xxx. But I was averaging in the mid 1:50's. With the Elise I actually had S2's and forgot to take off the Racing exhaust, so I missed out on some points.
. I looked at a few lineups after completing. There was one with a Opel Speedster, Elise 111r, NSX S-zero, that was 196 points with my Elise at stock HP, S3's. I ran a couple of laps to see what it looked like, and man. The Elise is definately tuned to the max as well as the Speedster, but they appear to be running S2's getting 5 and 6 laps. The Elise is turning 1:43's and the Speedster is turning 1:47's. I don't think I could win with the stock horsepower. I ran a couple of rather lousy laps in the 8:0X.XXX range, but didn't run long enough to see my pit schedule or see where a good clean lap would clock in at. I don't think I could make up that spread even if I was on a 10 lap schedule. It might be close enough to check out, but you would have to turn perfect laps.
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Further to observations on garage vs status distance.
T0: 00013.6 km on the clock for 16 ps and 130 a-spec - b-spec 00000 km
T1: 03665.9 km on the clock for 16 ps and 132 a-spec - b-spec 03358 km
T2: 12137.6 km on the clock for 14 ps and 144 a-spec - b-spec 10766 km
This is not a simple conversion error - at T1 the b-spec distance is 92% of odometer distance and at T2 89%.
The 360 is still running so I will have final results in 24 hours (other reports indicate that hp reduction stops at 8500 miles/14200 km). Does not look like 200 will be obtainable - I had really hoped for a larger increase given the 12.5% drop in power - although as the game appears to be recording power to at least one decimal place the real % reduction will be lower.
T0: 00013.6 km on the clock for 16 ps and 130 a-spec - b-spec 00000 km
T1: 03665.9 km on the clock for 16 ps and 132 a-spec - b-spec 03358 km
T2: 12137.6 km on the clock for 14 ps and 144 a-spec - b-spec 10766 km
This is not a simple conversion error - at T1 the b-spec distance is 92% of odometer distance and at T2 89%.
The 360 is still running so I will have final results in 24 hours (other reports indicate that hp reduction stops at 8500 miles/14200 km). Does not look like 200 will be obtainable - I had really hoped for a larger increase given the 12.5% drop in power - although as the game appears to be recording power to at least one decimal place the real % reduction will be lower.
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Final results on garage vs status distance using Subaru 360.
T0: 00013.6 km on the clock for 16 ps and 130 a-spec - b-spec 00000 km
T1: 03665.9 km on the clock for 16 ps and 132 a-spec - b-spec 03358 km
T2: 12137.6 km on the clock for 14 ps and 144 a-spec - b-spec 10766 km
T3: 15959.9 km on the clock for 14 ps and 144 a-spec - b-spec 13778 km
It is difficult to deduce why this error is occurring. Ignoring T0 the best straight line equation to describe the relationship (if B=b-spec dictance and G=garage distance) is
The best power equation is
Both of these these equations generate errors of ±100 km I don't think I will bother looking for other equations. It would be interesting to know if the same error occurs for a-spec distance - I will have to do some more tests.
This test also confirms that the maximum a-spec points for the 360 Race is 144
On a different matter, just in case anyone has any doubt in their minds about Family Cup a-spec points, I can confirm that these points definitely do count towards your total and that they only count once (I was trying to find why my record and my status creen did not match - found most of the error elsewhere )
T0: 00013.6 km on the clock for 16 ps and 130 a-spec - b-spec 00000 km
T1: 03665.9 km on the clock for 16 ps and 132 a-spec - b-spec 03358 km
T2: 12137.6 km on the clock for 14 ps and 144 a-spec - b-spec 10766 km
T3: 15959.9 km on the clock for 14 ps and 144 a-spec - b-spec 13778 km
It is difficult to deduce why this error is occurring. Ignoring T0 the best straight line equation to describe the relationship (if B=b-spec dictance and G=garage distance) is
B = 0.8517G + 286.76 [R^2 = 0.9994]
The best power equation is
B = 1.2481G^0.9627 [R^2 = 0.9999]
Both of these these equations generate errors of ±100 km
I don't think I will bother looking for other equations. It would be interesting to know if the same error occurs for a-spec distance - I will have to do some more tests.This test also confirms that the maximum a-spec points for the 360 Race is 144
On a different matter, just in case anyone has any doubt in their minds about Family Cup a-spec points, I can confirm that these points definitely do count towards your total and that they only count once (I was trying to find why my record and my status creen did not match - found most of the error elsewhere
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Not that I've heard of. Think route had about 150p.
I was fiddling with it last night just to see what the competition was like. Toyota Altezza TC w/R1s was 94p against the 2nd lineup with the TT (which may be the most dangerous competitor). What a beautiful car. It was very tight all the way up to the pits on lap 6. Emerged from the pits with a 12s lead. From there, it's bound to get easier. 3 of the laps were 7'19s so that should indicate what you need.
The Spoon S2000 was there putting a HUGE dent on the points. So, I'm sure you could easily get 130-150 with that car. Maybe more? If you want to get picky I'm sure you could add the 200kg ballast and still be fine. Then maybe dial down the downforce. One of the BIG advantages of the Altezza is the huge downforce relative to its competitors. Of course, that's what's also helping conserve tires. Pitting on 6, the back tires were still light green and the fronts were mid-orange.
Next stop might be one of the other JGTC300 cars? The Razo is the worst of the bunch. May be worth a try. S2000 LM, Mazda 6 TC might also be worth a try.
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New 200 pts race.
Professional hall: Clubman cup race 5 - Deep Forest
Car: Audi S3 '02 / 4WD / 210HP (stock, no oil) / 1420kg / 6.8kg/HP / 200 A-spec
Line-up:
Dodge SRT4 '03
Audi S4 '98
Fiat Coupe Turbo Plus '00
Opel Speedster Turbo '00
Mazda Rx-7 RS-R '97
Tried a few times, quite easy win due to all the corners. Once you pass the lead car, for some reason he seems to give up, especially if I pass at some speed compared to the lead AI. If I barely squeeze past him, there's no such collapse of AI pride. Any comments on this?
Professional hall: Clubman cup race 5 - Deep Forest
Car: Audi S3 '02 / 4WD / 210HP (stock, no oil) / 1420kg / 6.8kg/HP / 200 A-spec
Line-up:
Dodge SRT4 '03
Audi S4 '98
Fiat Coupe Turbo Plus '00
Opel Speedster Turbo '00
Mazda Rx-7 RS-R '97
Tried a few times, quite easy win due to all the corners. Once you pass the lead car, for some reason he seems to give up, especially if I pass at some speed compared to the lead AI. If I barely squeeze past him, there's no such collapse of AI pride. Any comments on this?
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I have also noticed similar behaviour on several occasions. My guess is that something triggers the AI to try too hard (pace = 5) resulting in far worse times. If they are close they will maintain a steady, and ultimately quicker, pace. Given that the same thing often happens to me (I go too fast when behind and end up going slower) then perhaps it is a reasonable behaviour to give the AI?hispeed
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Which, funnily enough, is almost exactly how I explained what was happening to my wife!hispeed
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I know I saw a report of 200 with a used 787B but now I can't find where.ANK
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