200pt A-spec races

[jdw]

I know I saw a report of 200 with a used 787B but now I can't find where.

Not for Nurb 24hr. Your opponents are Touring Cars, JGTC300 cars and the occasional Tuned car.

 

[jdw]

jdw,
In my opinion, cheating is just that, exploiting areas of the game that allow you to make better lap times. Wall riding, ramming the AI to "brake" for corners or to knock them out of the running, riding the AI through corners for higher speed through corners, cutting through areas of tracks, these I agree are without a doubt cheating. Someone that is tuning a car and posting 200 point races in the "stock car" thread is cheating. The "stock car" thread is meant to be just that, a niche of people who are driving there cars 100% stock, and don't even open the tuning page.

"exploiting areas of the game that allow you to make better lap times."

Right. But what is considered an "exploit"?

Well... we some mild disagreements on that. But, like I said, there's a certain philosophy to what constitutes "cheap" and some of it depends on the context.

I understand your POV. I'd say it's reasonable.

For example, I DO consider it cheap to ram the AI or ride it, but the AI will do it to you! And in those cases, I don't find it as cheap to exact revenge. Ramming doesn't happen very often but it does happen particularly in tight races around Sarthe. At NY, I just make sure to get out of the AIs way so they don't ram me into the wall on the second straight. OTOH, the AI will ride you any and everytime it has your inside corner and they'll keep pushing you straight into the grass/sand. So is it cheating to return the favor? Depends... it is cheap though.


Yes, for the "stock car" thread, anything non-stock is CLEARLY cheating. But the cheating comes because you're lying to other people who are following clearly laid out guidelines. And that's what I think cheating really is... misrepresenting your accomplishments by saying you followed guidelines but didn't. But are there any guidelines for this thread? Well, no there aren't. So I don't think there's any cheating.

It's nice to at least tell people about things like wall-riding (e.g. had to do it at Super Speedway in the Crossfire Cup) or excessive blocking/shoving (e.g. against the Speed 12 at Fuji in Black Pool) so they know what it takes to reproduce your results but it's not really cheating.

However tuning a car with available tuning that doesn't effect Aspec points, I do not consider cheating. I think if it is available in the game, if it is a part of the game, it isn't exploiting a game flaw, it should be considered a fair part of gaming. There are many races, or even most, that the AI are running tuned cars to even the field.

No... I don't consider tuning or qualifying or even nitrous or the RAM or anything like that to be "cheating". "

I think, given a context, some of the things available in the game can be considered "cheap" though. And the context we're talking about is gathering points.

So, given that context... is nitrous or the Dodge RAM "exploiting a game flaw"? Is changing tires, adding mods to qualify first "cheap"? How about changing to softer tires in an Endurance or using softer tires on the back?

Hell, is it cheap to specifically find a lineup where the most dangerous car is buried?

So maybe I shouldn't have used the term "little cheats".


Anyway... I found out last night. Unlike tires, even if you only apply downforce to the back, it will STILL affect ASpec points.

So you definitely didn't do anything "cheap" by anyone's definition

 

[Moloch_horridus]

...things like wall-riding (e.g. had to do it at Super Speedway in the Crossfire Cup)

Tried this exact one last night - did me no good - the wall scrubbed off so much speed that it was worse than slowing down to take the bends (semi-)properly. Maybe I need a better wall-riding technique

 

[jdw]

Tried this exact one last night - did me no good - the wall scrubbed off so much speed that it was worse than slowing down to take the bends (semi-)properly. Maybe I need a better wall-riding technique

May be time to divide "wall-riding" into "riding" and "smacking".
Crossfire @SS is definitely more "smacking" then "riding".
The aids really need to be off to stand a chance. Same goes for MGF @DPM

Even then it's still hard. Especially DPM. GAHHHH!!! I hated that race.

I've been working on the Mfg Races. Have all but Japan, Mini and Saleen done. Of those I've maxed the points in all but the following:


Audi TT, Hyundai (2 maxed), Gti (did max pts at MF but I had to cheat like crazy to do it ) For the rest I gave up and put N2s on the front... and wow it was night and day!

Aston Martin (1 maxed) , and S7 (haven't done them but I've experimented) and in both cases I've had to go all the way back to N3s. With some practice I could probably handle N2s. I also haven't really nitrous at either of these two so....

Oh, and if you haven't noticed already expect to really HEAVILY on nitrous.
Can't avoid it if you want max points.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I was given a large slice of Humble Pie when I unlocked the World Championship (and Endurance Hall at the same time). I decided to take my Motul Pitwork Z out for a spin in Tokyo and though I set and absolute cracker of a qualifying lap, I found I was just 4th at the end of it. The race itself was 200 points, against a group of LMPs and a Camaro Race Car. In qualifying, I'd managed to beat the W12 Nardo and Camaro, but still had an Audi R8, C9 Mercedes and an R92CP in front.

And then the blasted Camaro tapped me into a spin at the first corner and put me thrity seconds down on the rest of them. It was little consolation that I'd taken him with me.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

...For the rest I gave up and put N2s on the front... and wow it was night and day!

Oh, and if you haven't noticed already expect to really HEAVILY on nitrous.
Can't avoid it if you want max points.

I'm rapidly discovering the necessity for nitrous - and the difference between N1 and N2. I could not win in the Crossfire @ Seattle on N1s and running the NOS dry (I would if I drove better but could not manage it last night - likewise for the SS although I will probably never max that one). Changed to N2s and won by a country mile with >80% of my nitrous left.

I am getting a bit disappointed with the NOS - it makes many of the races too easy. Admitedly it will be useless in the few longer races but I just do not feel I have deserved all those 200 point Beginner Hall races - c'est la vie

 

[jdw]

I was given a large slice of Humble Pie when I unlocked the World Championship (and Endurance Hall at the same time). I decided to take my Motul Pitwork Z out for a spin in Tokyo and though I set and absolute cracker of a qualifying lap, I found I was just 4th at the end of it. The race itself was 200 points, against a group of LMPs and a Camaro Race Car. In qualifying, I'd managed to beat the W12 Nardo and Camaro, but still had an Audi R8, C9 Mercedes and an R92CP in front.

And then the blasted Camaro tapped me into a spin at the first corner and put me thrity seconds down on the rest of them. It was little consolation that I'd taken him with me.

The Nardo... at GT World?


Ya know... that's a car I wanted to experiment on. It's MAX downforce is higher than of the other LM cars but lower than the Group C/LMP cars.

Stock... it doesn't stand much of a chance at GT World.

💡

But, if you went and maxed the downforce and added a Stage 3 Turbo I'd bet it would be VERY competitive at GT World. Of course, you'd probably also need to find an ALL Group C/LMP lineup to get to 200p. That Camaro is seriously dragging down your points.

 

[ANK]

At last finished Sarthe 11 24 hr in terms of competition its probably the easiest 200 point race i have had up to now.

Using

Used Mazda 787b race car with no oil change
R2 tyres front R1 tyres rear
132 ballast
gear ratio set to 14

 

[RIGESP]

Anybody got any suggestions for Circuit de Sarth 1 in the pan european championship. My CSL can't keep up with the XJ220 and RUF's on the straights. If I add more power I don't get my 200pts, Id rather not use NOS unless I have to.

 

[JParker]

Well, I finally went to the Suzuki manufacturer races and picked up one of the GSX/R4's to see what all the hype was about.

Wow, this thing is incredible. What a pure pleasure to drive. After I bought it, I tricked it out with all the horse power and drive train mods, sans permanent hp and lightweight, a nice selection of tires, and a wing. I took it to the Tokyo endurance against a lineup of all JGTC 500 and one Audi A4 touring car. It was a 194 point matchup and I lapped the "ENTIRE" field. This thing sticks to the road like it is superglued. Getting the other 6 points will be a breeze. It seems like it is some uber super car or something.

Has anyone tried 4 hours at Nurburgring with it, and is there a 200 point lineup it can win with?

JParker

 

[ANK]

Well, I finally went to the Suzuki manufacturer races and picked up one of the GSX/R4's to see what all the hype was about.

Wow, this thing is incredible. What a pure pleasure to drive. After I bought it, I tricked it out with all the horse power and drive train mods, sans permanent hp and lightweight, a nice selection of tires, and a wing. I took it to the Tokyo endurance against a lineup of all JGTC 500 and one Audi A4 touring car. It was a 194 point matchup and I lapped the "ENTIRE" field. This thing sticks to the road like it is superglued. Getting the other 6 points will be a breeze. It seems like it is some uber super car or something.

Has anyone tried 4 hours at Nurburgring with it, and is there a 200 point lineup it can win with?

JParker

Might try this tommorow but on the other hand have you tried Suzuki concepts racing against them for 200pts.

 

[ANK]

Just finished doing American manufacturers races. Unless a used crossfire can be found i think these are the max points you can obtain.

All cars had full transmission,suspension,brake upgrades+NOS

Corvette Festival
Corvette convertible 54 with S2 tyres+stage 1 tune 200pts

Camaro meeting
Camaro iroc-z concept 88 with N1 tyres+173 ballast against a line up with the
iroc-z in front 200pts

Crossfire trophy
Chrysler crossfire with N1 tyres+200 ballast with 9000 miles on clock 182pts

Saleen S7 club
Saleen S7 N1 tyres on front N3 tyres on rear 200 ballast in rear with 4000 miles on clock 200pts

Shelby cobra cup
Shelby series 1 super charged with S1 tyres stage 1 tune 200 ballast 200pts

All races were against the first line up unless otherwise stated.

 

[Cosmic]

Hey ANK! Do you have any suggestion for ''Blackpool racers''?

 

[ANK]

Hey ANK! Do you have any suggestion for ''Blackpool racers''?

UK is still on my to do list i am going to start on German manufactures shortly.

 

[Cosmic]

Ok And well done with your 100979 a-spec points 👍

 

[3k_Poseidon]

10k aspec... wow, i feel like i just got OWNED!

 

[RenesisEvo]

10k aspec... wow, i feel like i just got OWNED!

Not sure if thats a typo, but I think you mean 100k??

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Saleen S7 club
Saleen S7 N1 tyres on front N3 tyres on rear 200 ballast in rear with 4000 miles on clock 200pts

Nice job. I took my new Saleen on the 24HR Nurnburngring for a second Formula GT. I didn't try the N3 rear, but I wasn't able to handle the car with N1 around and 200KG. Besides, after seeing I had a very difficult time, and only having enough miles for 197 points, I gave up.

Maybe I'll try your setup! I also had the 200KG balanced. Could you give us your Saleen suspension setup? It was too slippery for me on the N1's.

 

[jdw]

All cars had full transmission,suspension,brake upgrades+NOS

Corvette Festival
Corvette convertible 54 with S2 tyres+stage 1 tune 200pts

Shelby cobra cup
Shelby series 1 super charged with S1 tyres stage 1 tune 200 ballast 200pts

All races were against the first line up unless otherwise stated.

Just to give alternatives...

Vette! - Use the '54 with NA1, RM, RC and S3s - get 200p and you don't need nitrous! However, you will need to widen out the tranny for NY.

Cobra - The Shelby Series 1 can win stock. No need for anything else.


Hey, do you have the Japan events written down? I've got everything but those done now so I could post the rest. Been meaning too anyway.

BTW: Good luck on the TT race. That's another one I couldn't manage on N1s.

 

[jdw]

Hey ANK! Do you have any suggestion for ''Blackpool racers''?

TVR8S - give it an oil change and you're good to go. Beware Fuji!

For a little extra edge you still have enough room in the points to add a chip and S3s.

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

4000miles!! that's gonna take a while to rack up on a Saleen... and I'm not in the habit of letting B-spec Bob do it. I maintain at all times I have driven further than he has.

After i have finished A spec i plan to try and max out my B spec stats so i dont find using B spec Bob a problem.
Also i am not sure how many miles it needed for 200pts i just left him driving while i went for a few beers.

I used the Saleen on the Nurnbringring 24HR for a Formula Gran Turismo. That only put enough miles for 197 points, but the 4 hr, or another 24 hr for another Formula should do it! Besides, why not collect all 11 Formula Gran Turismo color schemes?

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

About half of the Special Conditions events can be reasonably easily won for 200 A-Spec points with the 2003 Honda Element.

Here are the setups against each car. The Powers I list is what you see in the Settings window, which actually shws PS rather than HP. I don’t remember if I did an oil change or not, and maybe it’s mixed. Unless otherwise noted, tires were S3, dirt, or snow.

Opposing Car:-------------------Setup:
Renault 5 Turbo-----------------188HP
Celica 2000GT-Four--------------Unknown but gives 6 more points than Renault
Quattro ------------------------197HP
Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car-------197HP
Lancia Delta HF -----------------214 HP or 218 HP w/30KG
Celica GT-Four------------------197HP w/54KG
Lotus Esprit---------------------Unknown but gets 84 less points than Skyline
Mazda RX-8---------------------Unknown but gets 55 less points than Skyline
Evolution II GSR-----------------269HP
Evolution VIII MR GSR------------314HP R2 Tires 4KG
Skyline--------------------------314HP R2 Tires
Evolution VI RS TME-------------320HP, R2 Tires, 23KG
Impreza Sedan------------------314HP R3 Tires 3KG
Starion 4WD Rally Car------------323HP R5 Tires

 

[Smallhorses]

Nurnbringring

Someone answer that phone!!!

 

[hispeed]

Beginners Hall - Sunday Cup - Autumn Ring Mini:

For 200 shiny pts:
Daihatsu Midget '63 w/ turbo upgrade (37BHP!!), NOS100, custom tranny (auto set 4) and SM tires.

 

[ANK]

Nice job. I took my new Saleen on the 24HR Nurnburngring for a second Formula GT. I didn't try the N3 rear, but I wasn't able to handle the car with N1 around and 200KG. Besides, after seeing I had a very difficult time, and only having enough miles for 197 points, I gave up.

Maybe I'll try your setup! I also had the 200KG balanced. Could you give us your Saleen suspension setup? It was too slippery for me on the N1's.

Everything i try on suspension seems to make the car worse so i just leave them on default. The only thing i normally change is gear ratio which was set to 8 except sarthe where i think it was 10.

 

[ANK]

Hey, do you have the Japan events written down? I've got everything but those done now so I could post the rest. Been meaning too anyway.

I have not finished all of Japan yet but here is what i have done.
Again all cars had full transmission,suspension,brake upgrades+NOS

Copen race
To do

Midget race
Used midget 2 no oil change N1 tyres 200 ballast 152pts

Type R meeting
Honda accord euro+race exhaust stage 1 tune S2 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Civic race
Honda civic 1500 3door cx+race exhaust N3 tyres 165 ballast 200pts

Isuzu sports classics
Used Isuzu 117 coupe no oil change N1 tyres 200 ballast 179pts

Club RE
Mazda RX8 type e (j)+race exhaust stage 1 tune S3 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

NR-A roadster cup
Used Mazda mx5 (na) no oil change+stage 1 tune S2 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

NR-A rx8 cup
Mazda rx8 type e (j) N1 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Evolution meeting
Mitsubishi pajero evolution rally raid car S3 tyres 90 ballast 200pts

Mirage cup
Mitsubshi mirage 1400 glx+race exhaust race chip stage 1 tune S2 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Race of the red emblem
Nissan skyline hardtop 2000 gt-r (kpgc10)+stage 3 tune race exhaust port polish S1 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Micra brothers
Used Nissan pao no oil change+stage 2 tune race exhaust S2 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Silvia Sisters
Used Nissan silvia (csp311) no oil change+stage 1 tune race chip S1 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Club Z
Used Nissan fairlady 2000 (sr311)68 no oil change S1 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Subaru 360 race
to do

Stars of pleiades
Subaru legacy B4 3.0R+race exhaust S2 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Suzuki K car cup
to do

Suzuki concepts
to do

Altezza race
Lexus IS200 N1 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

Vitz race
Used Toyota yaris f (j) no oil change+stage 1 tune race exhaust race chip S1 tyres 200 ballast 200pts

I think most of the races were against the first line up but i am at work at the moment and i can't check.

 

[route_66]

I have not finished all of Japan yet but here is what i have done.
Again all cars had full transmission,suspension,brake upgrades+NOS
.............
I think most of the races were against the first line up but i am at work at the moment and i can't check.

Are you using B-Spec Bob to run up all those miles for you? 9000 miles on a Crossfire will take an awfully long time - how long exactly? It looks like you're going to beat my score...................unless I give in and use B-spec Bob to run up those miles.

 

[ANK]

Are you using B-Spec Bob to run up all those miles for you? 9000 miles on a Crossfire will take an awfully long time - how long exactly? It looks like you're going to beat my score...................unless I give in and use B-spec Bob to run up those miles.

Yes i am using B-spec Bob. Give in and use him to get those last few points.
Also on your list of non 200 point races the RX8 cup and the Alpine cup can both get max points with new oil.

 

[RenesisEvo]

Are you using B-Spec Bob to run up all those miles for you? 9000 miles on a Crossfire will take an awfully long time - how long exactly? It looks like you're going to beat my score...................unless I give in and use B-spec Bob to run up those miles.

I would say "be a man and drive it yourself" but I can't imagine how long that would take, even at the Test Course. I don't have any issues with using B-spec, I just dont rely on it. I have driven more mileage than B-spec currently... that could change when I do more endurances, but I plan on keeping it that way.

 

[route_66]

I would say "be a man and drive it yourself" but I can't imagine how long that would take, even at the Test Course. I don't have any issues with using B-spec, I just dont rely on it. I have driven more mileage than B-spec currently... that could change when I do more endurances, but I plan on keeping it that way.

Nah. Bob might get a work out..........but I have other games to play at the moment (sacreliege!?!). I think I will run up the miles while I sleep. Should be able to get over 110k maybe 111k if I do it.

66.