2013/14 Premier League and General Football Discussion

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Didn't look pretty for Snodgrass. My stream is low quality but it looked as if he had a full head/neck brace on and some sort of respiratory aid.

Youngs crossing is dreadful. Every single ball is going over the head of everyone. Buttner crossed 1 ball and Hernandez scored.

Jones, 3-0.
 
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Jones with a volley(!) to make it 3-0. =)


Oh and 11 minutes added time!


Edit: Fabio makes it 4, great pass from Rooney and good finish from Fab...
 
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10 mins into injury time. 4-0 up, just blow the whistle ref.

A good 4-0 win is exactly what we needed. Regardless of opposition that will feel great.
 
After 11 minutes of injury time due to Snodgrass getting "Vidic'ed", it ends 4-0 to United. Much better performance and a lot like the United of last season.
 
So Arsenal lost to CHelsea , apparently that's what happens when you play Nicklas Bendtner.
 
The match last night just highlights my main gripes with Wenger, and I can't believe he is still allowed to manage Arsenal.

Issue 1) A lack of squad depth - aside from the midfield, we are hopelessly lacking any real quality out of the first XI. Attacking wise we have Giroud, who may I point out is much improved this season, so no issue there, but we then have Bendtner and Park, which I don't care what anyone says, just aren't good enough and should have been sold ages ago. Why the 🤬 hasn't Wenger brought in a quality striker?

Issue 2) Tactical incompetence - We seem to have NO way of playing other than passing the ball sideways across the halfway line, until gaining a corner in which we are obliterated on the counter attack. Then, only when the game is clearly out of our reach, he brings on our first XI players. This is completely pointless as we cannot get back into the game due to a lack of time and defensive tactics by the opposition, and it also risks them getting injured when it is completely unnecessary.

Anyone Arsenal fan who still backs Wenger to be our manager for us to win NOTHING and finish 4th needs to open their eyes and see the 🤬 for who he is

Rant over/
 
The match last night just highlights my main gripes with Wenger, and I can't believe he is still allowed to manage Arsenal.

Issue 1) A lack of squad depth - aside from the midfield, we are hopelessly lacking any real quality out of the first XI. Attacking wise we have Giroud, who may I point out is much improved this season, so no issue there, but we then have Bendtner and Park, which I don't care what anyone says, just aren't good enough and should have been sold ages ago. Why the 🤬 hasn't Wenger brought in a quality striker?

Issue 2) Tactical incompetence - We seem to have NO way of playing other than passing the ball sideways across the halfway line, until gaining a corner in which we are obliterated on the counter attack. Then, only when the game is clearly out of our reach, he brings on our first XI players. This is completely pointless as we cannot get back into the game due to a lack of time and defensive tactics by the opposition, and it also risks them getting injured when it is completely unnecessary.

Anyone Arsenal fan who still backs Wenger to be our manager for us to win NOTHING and finish 4th needs to open their eyes and see the 🤬 for who he is

Rant over/


Issue 1) How much of that do you think is solely down to Wenger and how much do you think is down to the board? Our transfer market dabblings have been pretty poor in the past but are improving.

They are injured but aren't you forgetting about Walcott and Podolski?

Issue 2) Granted we have to improve the defensive tactics when attacking but passing the ball sideways is certainly not they way Arsenal play. It doesn't always get results but it is the envy of many clubs and admired by most neutrals.

Ah of course, he is only the most succesfull manager in the clubs history. Tell me this, if Wenger were to go, who is there that could replace him and do a better job? Maybe you could? You obviously seem to know a lot more about this than either he or the Arsenal board does.
 
delighted with the result last night even if its only the League Cup, United are now unbeaten in the last 5 games winning four...got some good momentum going...

Tonight its Newcastle-Man City, which will be on Sky, And Spurs-Hull...with the quarter final draw afterwards...
 
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Arsenal fans are an incredibly fickle bunch.
They're far less than most.
I'm not even an Arsenal fan but...aren't they top of the table?

Yes, although his rant is justified in my opinion. Squad is lacking in some positions in which it shouldn't especially with the big amount of money sitting in the bank.
 
Here is the Quarter final draw of the League Cup:

Leicester v Man City
Stoke v Man Utd
Southampton/Sunderland v Chelsea
Spurs v West Ham.

The action in tonights games was mainly in the Extra Time periods with Man City scoring twice to knock out Newcastle and Spurs drawing 2-2 AET and then winning 8-7 in a dramatic shootout.
 
Bit of a lackluster draw, no games to really look forward to but it does look like it'll be Man Utd/Chelsea/Man City/Spurs if the favourites all win in the semi's.
 
@m8h3r If Southampton beat Sunderland then that'll be a good game. Pretty much the only one that there wouldn't be outright favourites.
 
Issue 1) How much of that do you think is solely down to Wenger and how much do you think is down to the board? Our transfer market dabblings have been pretty poor in the past but are improving.

I never said that he hasn't spent money, I meant that he has spent it on the transfers of poor quality players in addition to their wages. Lets look at the forwards we have: Olivier Giroud, Podolski and Walcott, Park chu Yung, Bendtner, Sanogo. Only three of those are good enough in my opinion, and it's worth remembering that Walcott and Podolski mostly play on the wings when fit anyway. So that leaves us with one actual striker, which is just not good enough to win most competitions. That is not a problem by the board in my eyes.

Issue 2) Granted we have to improve the defensive tactics when attacking but passing the ball sideways is certainly not they way Arsenal play. It doesn't always get results but it is the envy of many clubs and admired by most neutrals.

I would say except for the first thirty minutes of the Napoli Game, against most of the big teams over the past two seasons passing the ball sideways has certainly been how we have played. In addition to this, I believe you are saying it doesn't matter if we lose matches, as long as we are playing pretty football? No one has ever won a trophy for playing pretty football, but only for getting the results they need. I could do without hundreds of pointless passes every game if it meant winning something.

Ah of course, he is only the most succesfull manager in the clubs history. Tell me this, if Wenger were to go, who is there that could replace him and do a better job?

Jupp Heynckes (former Bayern Munich manager). He was unfairly given the boot by Munich to make way for Pep Guardiola, and I'm sure he would jump at the chance to manage a club with the resources we have at our disposal, as well as starting out with the core of a decent squad. All he would need to change is shifting some of the useless dross we have at the moment and begin to replace them with good quality backup players. That is something Wenger has been failing to do for a long time now, and that is definitlety his fault, not the boards.

Oh, and on the most successful manager in the clubs history part, people aren't great forever, people lose their 'talent' at some point or another. I mean, some people regard pele as te greatest footballer of all time, but I would be amazed if he was even half as good now as he was in his playing days. Just because Wenger has won us a lot in the the past, doesn't excuse him from year after year of repeated mistakes that should no longer be an issue.

Maybe you could? You obviously seem to know a lot more about this than either he or the Arsenal board does.
That's just silly. Obviously I couldn't do that and you know I couldn't as well as I do. What I am doing is questioning why these same issues are not being resolved year after year, but some people seem happy dwindling along fighting with Spurs for fourth place, rather than actually competing for anything


Maybe my comments yesterday were a little too much but I was in a bad mood after losing once again to Chelsea. I hope we batter Liverpool this weekend, but I will be very surprised if we come out of November at the top of the table still. We haven't played any of the leagues top competitors in the PL yet, so I'm not entirely sure we are as good as people are making us out to be.
 
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You do raise some good points. I'm still of the opinion that Wenger is the best option for us and should not go anywhere.

The next few weeks are going to be a trying time for us. This is where our season really gets underway.
 
Pardew is interested to be a coach of Crystal Palace.

Hmmm interesting, if he did get it it would be a bit of a step down, perhaps he feels under pressure at Newcastle after the derby defeat and with Ashley and Kinnear constantly breathing done his neck
 
You do raise some good points. I'm still of the opinion that Wenger is the best option for us and should not go anywhere.

The next few weeks are going to be a trying time for us. This is where our season really gets underway.

I agree that the next few weeks will be very testing for us, and I will feel significantly more confident of winning the league if we do get some good results.

If Wenger brings in a good quality striker in the winter and wins us a piece of silverware, then of course I am happy for him to stay. If he does nothing in January and leaves us scrapping for fourth as per usual, then I will continue to want him out of the club. There is really no excuse now for him to ignore the lack of quality up front, as he himself has admitted we have substantial funds to compete in the market.
 
Hmmm interesting, if he did get it it would be a bit of a step down, perhaps he feels under pressure at Newcastle after the derby defeat and with Ashley and Kinnear constantly breathing done his neck
If Pards will retrie - Kinnear will replace him. I don't know which way is worse - stay with Pardew, or give chance JFK, who don't know surnames of NUFC players?

Anyway, maybe "Time4Change" action will really change something.
 
Big game this Saturday, I'll be happy with a point at Arsenal, but confident we can maybe win aswell.

Should be a good match, can't wait.
 
I will be in the bar after a wedding watching the game with an Arsenal fan on Saturday. He is the most arrogant, insufferable Arsenal fan in existence, I do hope we win.
 
It will be very difficult for us, I'm sure of that. I can tell we are going to miss Flamini this game as well, his aggression would have come in very handy against Suarez.I really can't call this one, it can go either way.
I can't believe I am going to miss this game, thanks work.
 
Three big games this weekend are all on Sky, Arsenal v Liverpool, Everton v Tottenham and Cardiff v Swansea ( C'MON SWANSEA!!!)

Man United are away to Fulham and Pellegrini has said that Pantilimon will start for City...
 
Joe Hart joins the famously expensive, and large, Manchester City bench then. England cheers wildly, apart from the other 19 teams who have to play Man City because of course he's now not on the pitch.
 
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