2013/14 Premier League and General Football Discussion

[Fuzzy]

Definitely Mourinho got Pellegrini's number, to do a double over Man City is very impressive indeed.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Interesting news from one of my clubs Swansea today, Garry Monk has joined the coaching staff which added more to the rumour that Laudrup will go when his contract runs out at the end of the season, the club have said that there have been discussions but he has yet to sign an extension...and our continued bad form is not helping!

And Laudrup has been sacked, not really surprised, we have been pretty shocking for a while now and he has seemed disinterested...

 

[ASH32]

Interesting news from one of my clubs Swansea today, Garry Monk has joined the coaching staff which added more to the rumour that Laudrup will go when his contract runs out at the end of the season, the club have said that there have been discussions but he has yet to sign an extension...and our continued bad form is not helping!

And with that Laudrup is sacked, I've had enough of all these sackings now, no one is given proper time anymore.

 

[Vegard]

...no one is given proper time anymore.

 

[Ryanswannell]

Next will be Sam Allardyce I think, then maybe Moyes if they start next season poorly. I can't really see Moyes getting sacked this season, I believe they will at least try to get some stability at the club and give him the summer to start building his own squad. That's probably the logical step, anyway.
Sacking a manager in the last third of the season will disrupt Utd's chances of CL qualification even more IMO, which I'm going to assume Utd are aiming for now considering they are 15 points off the lead.

 

[Vegard]

Next will be Sam Allardyce I think

I'd put my money on René Meulensteen.

 

[Ross]

A bit earlier than I expected but it was going to happen.

 

[Ryanswannell]

A bit earlier than I expected but it was going to happen.

Laudrup?

 

[Fuzzy]

Another hit the panic button chairman moment, pathetic to be honest. 👎

Laudrup did a fantastic job for Swansea. 👍

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Well he did at first, but the second half of last season and this season so far has been a bit of a disaster, since we won the cup we have only won 8 out of 35 PL games and 1 of the last 10 and in the last few weeks Laudrup has looked disinterested on the touchline and in press conferences...so its no real surprise to me at all, you cant go on a bad run like that and not have your job in danger...

....Garry Monk is taking over for the rest of the season, with his first game being the MASSIVE South Wales derby on Saturday....

 

[m8h3r]

Well he did at first, but the second half of last season and this season so far has been a bit of a disaster, since we won the cup we have only won 8 out of 35 PL games and 1 of the last 10 and in the last few weeks Laudrup has looked disinterested on the touchline and in press conferences...so its no real surprise to me at all, you cant go on a bad run like that and not have your job in danger...

....Garry Monk is taking over for the rest of the season, with his first game being the MASSIVE South Wales derby on Saturday....

Cardiff will be looking to snatch a few points there with the back room unrest.

 

[Ross]

Laudrup?

Sorry, yes, Laudrup.

 

[Ryanswannell]

Sorry, yes, Laudrup.

I find it a little bit strange that they got rid of him at this point. Yes, they are only two points above relegation, but the bottom half of the table is so tight. There are only 5 points between the drop zone and tenth place, and sacking him now will do Swansea no favors at all.

 

[Youngun]

Sport is now a business, as soon as the company is doing bad, fingers are pointed to the boss. its wrong and the manager should at least live out there contract like the players or what's the point of the contract

 

[Liquid]

Sport is now a business

What did it used to be? Football is a game, the Premier League is a business.

its wrong and the manager should at least live out there contract like the players or what's the point of the contract

While I do agree with your sentiment, players take the rap as well; poor players are transfer listed and sold if still under contract. That's as close as they get to being 'sacked', unless they enter the crowd to punch a fan, fail a drugs test or cause death by dangerous driving.

As for Laudrup, an important point was raised on Soccer Saturday last week; while he did good work last season, he needs (or now, needed) to make sure Swansea did well this season otherwise people will forget the success of last season and only remember the more recent struggles. Let's not forget, there was talk of him as the wildcard candidate for the Chelsea or Barcelona job over the summer.

When he was appointed, I do remember thinking "Hang on, isn't Laudrup that guy who can't hold down a job?" and so it has been proven once again despite a very successful first season.

I'm actually not surprised he was sacked before the derby. His current ethos and tactics were not working, so a poor performance in the derby would not have sufficed. A change, something fresh, something different at least might provide a surprise performance.

 

[Youngun]

What did it used to be? Football is a game, the Premier League is a business.



While I do agree with your sentiment, players take the rap as well; poor players are transfer listed and sold if still under contract. That's as close as they get to being 'sacked', unless they enter the crowd to punch a fan, fail a drugs test or cause death by dangerous driving.

As for Laudrup, an important point was raised on Soccer Saturday last week; while he did good work last season, he needs (or now, needed) to make sure Swansea did well this season otherwise people will forget the success of last season and only remember the more recent struggles. Let's not forget, there was talk of him as the wildcard candidate for the Chelsea or Barcelona job over the summer.

When he was appointed, I do remember thinking "Hang on, isn't Laudrup that guy who can't hold down a job?" and so it has been proven once again despite a very successful first season.

I'm actually not surprised he was sacked before the derby. His current ethos and tactics were not working, so a poor performance in the derby would not have sufficed. A change, something fresh, something different at least might provide a surprise performance.

Cheers, was more a general term, players yes have good and bad days but arent just thrown to the doors, there listed and given warning with a new team around the corner. Yes if no one signs them and contract runs out. Their unemployed but they new that. Managers just ge the boot, Di matteo for one won the champions league and was going well but still managed to get fire soon after. No one is given a chance, they dont think that other teams are better or there having a bad start. No its 5 loses and its the managers fault, this band wagon started when abramovich arrived.

 

[Liquid]

Managers just ge the boot, Di matteo for one won the champions league and was going well but still managed to get fire soon after. No one is given a chance, they dont think that other teams are better or there having a bad start.

Di Matteo was never Abramovich's first choice for the Chelsea job and we all know it. The perfect situation would have been for him to leave Chelsea having won the Champions League. But because they couldn't secure Mourinho that particular summer, they had to keep him on; giving him the title of interim manager for a whole season would have been demeaning.

No its 5 loses and its the managers fault, this band wagon started when abramovich arrived.

Things like this annoy me. "Nothing happened in football before 2003."

Of course we are in a different generation of players, coaches and staff since the 1990s, arguably the start of the current era was 2008 with the City money but come on, do you really think there were no trigger happy chairmen before Abramovich arrived?

Deadly Doug wasn't satisfied with any manager he appointed at Villa;

Tony Barton (1982-1984)
Graham Turner (1984-1986)
Billy McNeill (1986-1987)
Graham Taylor (1987-1990 -Left for England job)
Josef Vengelos (1990-1991)
Ron Atkinson (1991-1994)
Brian Little (1994-1998)
John Gregory (1998-2002)
Graham Taylor (2002-2003)

Five managers with spells of less than two years in charge, no manager lasting more than three calendar years. Other clubs with managerial merry-go-rounds before 2003 and Abramovich include Sheffield Wednesday (9 permanent managers over 14 years between 1990-2004), Queens Park Rangers (9 managers over 11 years between 1990-2001), Crystal Palace (12 managers over 10 years 1993-2003).

It's more common for quick managerial changes in the lower leagues but all the above clubs were Premier League clubs at some point during the time periods mentioned.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree we have had an increase in sackings lately, but let's not act like this is something new. As well, I'd argue that not all of this season's sackings were knee jerk reactions.

Paolo Di Canio - Sure, he had 13 games in total but performances were consistently poor. At some point, you have to hold your hands up and say "Sorry, we appointed the wrong person"

Malky Mackay - A dreadful and acrimonious sacking but this wasn't knee jerk. The chairman simply didn't want him in charge any more

Martin Jol - Poor performances again.

 

[Youngun]

Di Matteo was never Abramovich's first choice for the Chelsea job and we all know it. The perfect situation would have been for him to leave Chelsea having won the Champions League. But because they couldn't secure Mourinho that particular summer, they had to keep him on; giving him the title of interim manager for a whole season would have been demeaning.



Things like this annoy me. "Nothing happened in football before 2003."

Of course we are in a different generation of players, coaches and staff since the 1990s, arguably the start of the current era was 2008 with the City money but come on, do you really think there were no trigger happy chairmen before Abramovich arrived?

Deadly Doug wasn't satisfied with any manager he appointed at Villa;

Tony Barton (1982-1984)
Graham Turner (1984-1986)
Billy McNeill (1986-1987)
Graham Taylor (1987-1990 -Left for England job)
Josef Vengelos (1990-1991)
Ron Atkinson (1991-1994)
Brian Little (1994-1998)
John Gregory (1998-2002)
Graham Taylor (2002-2003)

Five managers with spells of less than two years in charge, no manager lasting more than three calendar years. Other clubs with managerial merry-go-rounds before 2003 and Abramovich include Sheffield Wednesday (9 permanent managers over 14 years between 1990-2004), Queens Park Rangers (9 managers over 11 years between 1990-2001), Crystal Palace (12 managers over 10 years 1993-2003).

It's more common for quick managerial changes in the lower leagues but all the above clubs were Premier League clubs at some point during the time periods mentioned.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree we have had an increase in sackings lately, but let's not act like this is something new. As well, I'd argue that not all of this season's sackings were knee jerk reactions.

Paolo Di Canio - Sure, he had 13 games in total but performances were consistently poor. At some point, you have to hold your hands up and say "Sorry, we appointed the wrong person"

Malky Mackay - A dreadful and acrimonious sacking but this wasn't knee jerk. The chairman simply didn't want him in charge any more

Martin Jol - Poor performances again.

Well yes but Abramovich fired because they never won titles and trophys. Firing someone because the came 3rd in one if the hardest leagues is pretty harsh. And its not like they tried just anyone either, most did well, even the special one (sorry the happy one) had a rocky start til he won the league.

And for Villa, its still villa, should of spent rather than fire.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Its going from bad to worse for Fulham after losing their cup replay to Sheffield United 1-0 after extra time, in front of a crowd of just 10, 139...

 

[Liquid]

Well yes but Abramovich fired because they never won titles and trophys. Firing someone because the came 3rd in one if the hardest leagues is pretty harsh.

I do believe Carlo Ancelotti was sacked despite winning the league and cup double. I get your point that Abramovich is very difficult to please, but my point is, is that he is not the first trigger happy chairman, as you claimed. Football existed before 2003, but maybe you're too young to remember or not interested to look at football history, I don't know.

And for Villa, its still villa, should of spent rather than fire.

Perhaps you are too young to remember 'Deadly' Doug Ellis. He acquired his nickname precisely because of his tendency to sack managers. Leeds United went for the spend rather than fire routine, and look how far they've plummeted since the Champions League semi final of 2001.

 

[Youngun]

I do believe Carlo Ancelotti was sacked despite winning the league and cup double. I get your point that Abramovich is very difficult to please, but my point is, is that he is not the first trigger happy chairman, as you claimed. Football existed before 2003, but maybe you're too young to remember or not interested to look at football history, I don't know.



Perhaps you are too young to remember 'Deadly' Doug Ellis. He acquired his nickname precisely because of his tendency to sack managers. Leeds United went for the spend rather than fire routine, and look how far they've plummeted since the Champions League semi final of 2001.

That was more points deductions twice including administration that sent them down right, like Juventus and Portsmouth. They over spent slot and prize money or bank balance never arrived, but they'll be high again soon.

I may be young but my dad is a villa fan and hate that i chosen utd wen i was younger, big cantona fan. But least they each had at least a season. Now half a season or even less could mean your gone. Seems more a win or you lose situation, while moneys tight and position is everything, firing mid season makes the team restless and in theory, worse.

 

[Ross]

That was more points deductions twice including administration that sent them down right, like Juventus and Portsmouth. They over spent slot and prize money or bank balance never arrived, but they'll be high again soon.

I may be young but my dad is a villa fan and hate that i chosen utd wen i was younger, big cantona fan. But least they each had at least a season. Now half a season or even less could mean your gone. Seems more a win or you lose situation, while moneys tight and position is everything, firing mid season makes the team restless and in theory, worse.

I apologize if you aren't a native speaker but as you're from the UK, you most likely are but could you please make your posts a bit easier to read, I had to read that a couple of times before I understood what you were saying.

 

[Youngun]

I apologize if you aren't a native speaker but as you're from the UK, you most likely are but could you please make your posts a bit easier to read, I had to read that a couple of times before I understood what you were saying.

Sorry, was multi tasking with a takeaway. Ummm dominos. Oh and big bang theory was on.

 

[Ross]

Sorry, was multi tasking with a takeaway. Ummm dominos. Oh and big bang theory was on.

Still, the AUP is the AUP. 👍

 

[ASH32]

Its going from bad to worse for Fulham after losing their cup replay to Sheffield United 1-0 after extra time, in front of a crowd of just 10, 139...

Was an awful game too, certainly the bits I watched, then again any time Fulham put a decent cross in the Sheffield Utd players just pulled the attackers shirt to stop them getting to the ball, not sure what you can do when they get away with that.

 

[Ross]

Today marks the 56th anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster where 8 Manchester United players and 3 club staff were killed when their plane failed to take off because off slush on the runway. RIP Busby Babes. Lost but not forgotten.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Newcastle have suspended reserve team coach William Donahue after he reportedly struck a player!

 

[Youngun]

With a boot? Because thats been done lol

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Well done to Man City and Liverpool who put out heartfelt tweets about Munich earlier, Liverpool's tweet ended with 'something's are more important that football rivalry' Amen to that...

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Well done to Man City and Liverpool who put out heartfelt tweets about Munich earlier, Liverpool's tweet ended with 'something's are more important that football rivalry' Amen to that...

What happened in Munich?