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And they aren't set up to hold as many spectators as the speedways can.
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They can, but as seen in this past nationwide race it's not a matter of weather but the tire maker. Goodyear seems to have forgotten after all those years of F1 and Sportscar racing that intermediate tires are a must if you're going to play in the rain but not drive in a full own down pour.
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Which is why there needs to be a tire war again, even if Goodyear were to step their game up and come out on top after it happens.
Michelin is the tire supplier for the NACAR Whelen Euro Series. Only difference is their tires for that series are 10.5" width instead of the 11.5" width of Goodyear. I guarantee that Michelin would have no trouble making a bigger, better tire for Cup/Nationwide/Trucks.
Michelin is the tire supplier for the NACAR Whelen Euro Series. Only difference is their tires for that series are 10.5" width instead of the 11.5" width of Goodyear. I guarantee that Michelin would have no trouble making a bigger, better tire for Cup/Nationwide/Trucks.
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I was going to mention that meeting, which I recently thought was for negotiations for the Euro Series, but their contract for that goes to 2019 and was negotiated last year.
Canadian Tire series use Goodyear, NASCAR Toyota Series (Mexico) uses Hoosier, although it appears their series tire sponsor is Continental.
Guess we'll see what happens when time gets closer to 2017, when Goodyear's current contract is scheduled to run out.
Canadian Tire series use Goodyear, NASCAR Toyota Series (Mexico) uses Hoosier, although it appears their series tire sponsor is Continental.
Guess we'll see what happens when time gets closer to 2017, when Goodyear's current contract is scheduled to run out.
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Hoosier makes the race tires for Continental.I was going to mention that meeting, which I recently thought was for negotiations for the Euro Series, but their contract for that goes to 2019 and was negotiated last year.
Canadian Tire series use Goodyear, NASCAR Toyota Series (Mexico) uses Hoosier, although it appears their series tire sponsor is Continental.
Guess we'll see what happens when time gets closer to 2017, when Goodyear's current contract is scheduled to run out.
I'm fine with closed tire if the one supplier is a series sponsor promoting the series.
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A NASCAR sponsor for the past 15 years looks to be calling it quits.
Home Depot to leave JGR after 2014.
Home Depot to leave JGR after 2014.
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I'm an advocate for multiple tire people so long as there isn't a repeat of stuff like the first Talladega race (Firestone was so angry they pulled out of NASCAR and have never returned) or the US Grand Prix. More tires mean less Goodyear laziness and more innovation, along with more strategy.
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The issue with the open tire is that the races will come down to who has the right tire this week. With this championship format we have now, say Goodyear has a faster tire, but it doesn't last as long as say Hoosier's tire at Homestead. We'll say Kevin Harvick is running Goodyear with Jimmie Johnson on Hoosier right behind him. Harvick's tires wear out and Johnson wins the race and championship.
Plus last time there was more than one tire, I believe it killed a guy.
Open tires have to raise the cost of tires to teams also. We're bordering on a 42 car grid. Raising tire costs by opening it up can't make it any cheaper
Plus last time there was more than one tire, I believe it killed a guy.
Open tires have to raise the cost of tires to teams also. We're bordering on a 42 car grid. Raising tire costs by opening it up can't make it any cheaper
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So this is an interesting article...
http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cu...back-my-plan-for-nascar-part-one-the-product/
This guy suggests breaking up the NASCAR events into multiple races. For example, instead of having a 400 Mile race, you have two 200 Mile sprint races.
Additionally, instead of trying to work around ISC and SMI's stranglehold on venues to squeeze in a road course, you instead utilize the infield road course at several tracks to break up the norm and add a road course flair.
Revamp the schedule enough to really shake things up in the right way in my opinion.
My bare minimum suggestion would be to at least change the lengths of the races in the chase every year, so you have to develop a new strategy for every race. (Granted, that might work in favor of the bigger and better teams...)
http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cu...back-my-plan-for-nascar-part-one-the-product/
This guy suggests breaking up the NASCAR events into multiple races. For example, instead of having a 400 Mile race, you have two 200 Mile sprint races.
Additionally, instead of trying to work around ISC and SMI's stranglehold on venues to squeeze in a road course, you instead utilize the infield road course at several tracks to break up the norm and add a road course flair.
Revamp the schedule enough to really shake things up in the right way in my opinion.
My bare minimum suggestion would be to at least change the lengths of the races in the chase every year, so you have to develop a new strategy for every race. (Granted, that might work in favor of the bigger and better teams...)
With the amount if pays just to make the show, I'm willing to bet at least one start-and-parker scrounges up enough to make the event since it'd be a guaranteed start.
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Lists are still open to change up to the Wednesday of each race week.
OH NOES.. let's not bring strategy into races.. that'll mess the entire thing up!!!1!!11!!11
Other guys have been killed since 1994, and they were on Goodyear tires.... better get rid of Goodyear then. With no tires, no one can be killed on the track.
What's to say another tire supplier shows up, with a cheaper priced tire that proves to be better than Goodyear in this hypothetical situation? Goodyear can have their prices however they want because there's no competition to deal with.
It's not that.. it's that infield road courses take away from ticket sales.
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Say that tire company brings a better tire. Now, they can charge whatever they want because then they're in demandL
OH NOES.. let's not bring strategy into races.. that'll mess the entire thing up!!!1!!11!!11
Other guys have been killed since 1994, and they were on Goodyear tires.... better get rid of Goodyear then. With no tires, no one can be killed on the track.
What's to say another tire supplier shows up, with a cheaper priced tire that proves to be better than Goodyear in this hypothetical situation? Goodyear can have their prices however they want because there's no competition to deal with.
Cars kinda have to have tires to race. Then Goodyear would have to spend money to develop a better tire then it prices up because of R&D costs and because they can. Cycle continues 
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Say that tire company brings a better tire. Now, they can charge whatever they want because then they're in demand
Isn't goodyear already doing that anyway? And worse, for a tire that's mediocore and terrible. As a tire company, Goodyear has fallen to complete uselessness. As many jokes as people have made about Pirelli's tire, I bet you more people will snatch up their tires over Goodyear. Also, why are you so anti-spending all the time? Pretty sure compared to car companies, Tire companies have far more money to burn for the simple fact that every car company needs tires so I hardly see any reason for this whole deal you got going. Having a tire war in Stock car racing will liven things up as it'll actually force Goodyear to stop being lazy and actually make something good. So what if they have to spend for R&D costs to develop better tires, that's what they already do anyway (and are wasting it as far as I can tell) so it won't change much.
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That logic won't work because Goodyear can be as lazy as they want because they're the official tire of NASCAR. They sponsor the series, and that means if NASCAR makes it where there's competition, Goodyear can pull it's sponsorship which you and I both know that them doing that will not go over well. NASCAR loses money if that happens.
The only way to improve would be to tell Goodyear that they have to get a better quality tire up there, or NASCAR will make them charge less to the teams for their tires. That, or make Goodyear pay the repair bills of the teams that blow tires (assuming they don't get cut down and are running within the recommended air pressures) That'll get some action out of them quick
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Say that tire company brings a better tire. Now, they can charge whatever they want because then they're in demand
How can they charge whatever they want to due to a race or two of superiority over the other make? Especially in a current contract during the season they can't just "charge whatever they want". Most groups would have to break contract if there were competing tire groups, that's why during the Indy GP that only had 3 teams we didn't see the others switch tire brand...they couldn't. That's why we see contracts between tire groups and Le Mans teams.
Also who cares if one tire is better than the other, if that's the case then Goodyear should have done more research and testing. Considering any group that comes in should have an uphill struggle against Goodyear who have been doing NASCAR exclusively for tons of years now. This business model you've come up with isn't how business works sadly, also even if Goodyear developed a better tire in your hypothetical world Goodyear can't and wouldn't up the cost "because they can". Rather it's solely due to R&D if price goes up, and if by chance they have big teams on a yearly contract it'd be in their interest to not raise prices because they'd lose a big name.
Also Goodyear are always running tires test through the season and trying new tweaked compounds, thus R&D expenditures are currently being used and we don't hear anything about costs
Then that same new official tire company will be just as lazy as Goodyear
You have no proof of this other than what is currently shown by Goodyear, there are series that run a single tire currently and don't have nearly as many issues.
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And, let's be completely honest here. Hoosier wasn't at fault for deaths of Neil Bonnett or Rodney Orr during the '94 Speedweeks. They both had shock absorber mounts break on their cars that caused them to lose control and crash. It's just that it occurred on cars that were running Hoosier tires that made it seem bad on Hoosier's part.
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It won't take too many races of another make winning before Goodyear would realize that it's time to get its act together. The only way to get better is to spend more on R&D and get a better tire.
Anyone who understands Supply and demand knows that when one tire is better than the alternative, the demand goes up. With a higher demand, that tire can raise the price because even if the advantage is a tenth, that's substantial enough to decide a race by marginal amounts.
Teams won't be changing mid-season, but if there's one brand that shows superiority, it'll give those teams the automatic advantage for a whole year. That's a pretty crappy way to decide if you're going to get good runs or not.
I never said Goodyear doesn't R&D mid season
They just bring a tire that according to most isn't the best. It's not like every car on the track has to run that tire or anything 👎You don't understand the team's perspective. As soon as one tire is better than the other, all the teams on the worse tire will moan about it. Then the other tire will get better and now the teams on the first tire will moan. Those R&D costs add up big time over the course of the season because after all, we both agree that they have to test throughout the year. Those tire companies can't keep charging the same price because they want to get a half decent ROI, so tire prices go up 💡
