2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[Slash]

Or maybe separate the solid rear car into it's own model?

It could work but I think it'd probably be better left as an option than it's own model that way you can get it on multiple vehicles if you wanted. Like say you wanted a base model, that comes with either a live rear or IFS, but you wanted IFS and just base stuff. That way you could get IFS without having to go high end.

Honestly either way it would probably work out. I think they should let the GT model have the 2 options.

 

[Adamgp]

Or maybe separate the solid rear car into it's own model?

Or build another car to please the Europeans and Japanese, instead of messing with the Mustang.

 

[ShobThaBob]

But it doesn't stack up so well against the non-domestic competition. If the new car is destined to be sold internationally, it doesn't need that weak link on it's spec sheet.

Same goes for installing a 2ltr four-pot. If BMW, Merc and Audi sell their 3-series, C-class and A5 coupes with small four cylinder engines, Ford would be stupid not to as well.

So which competition does it not stack up against? That's what I'm wondering. Only on narrow and shorter tracks are cars like the Evo and STi able to put down better lap times. The longer the track, the better it looks for the V6, and the V6 is loads cheaper than both.

Also, doesn't the 3 series 4cyl start a good 6 grand more than the Mustang?

 

[Zenith]

IRS is heavier, more expensive and less durable. Sounds alot better...

They tried IRS before in the Cobras, a big chunk of owners who modded their cars swapped them out for the live axle from the GT.

And a live axle has a worse ride, less grip, and increases unsprung weight.

Which is why live axle is used by 95% of performance cars and race cars...

The unsprung weight helps for drag racing, that's one of the biggest reasons why a big chunk of Cobra owners switched.

IRS has plenty of durability for anything a Mustang is going to throw at it. The live axle has a comfortable home with Jeeps and other Off-Road vehicles.

 

[Kent]

So which competition does it not stack up against? That's what I'm wondering. Only on narrow and shorter tracks are cars like the Evo and STi able to put down better lap times. The longer the track, the better it looks for the V6, and the V6 is loads cheaper than both.

Also, doesn't the 3 series 4cyl start a good 6 grand more than the Mustang?

Gotta step in and say I don't think a longer track is really going to help the V6 stang against the Evo/Sti, they both get enough of a lead by the 1/4 and do enough to hold that lead to ensure an advantage around most tracks under most conditions. That also goes without need of mention that a V6 mustang with performance package doesn't have all that much of a cost advantage over the Sedan Sti (the hatch carries a 2.5k premium).

 

[Blackbird.]

But it doesn't stack up so well against the non-domestic competition. If the new car is destined to be sold internationally, it doesn't need that weak link on it's spec sheet.

Same goes for installing a 2ltr four-pot. If BMW, Merc and Audi sell their 3-series, C-class and A5 coupes with small four cylinder engines, Ford would be stupid not to as well.

Well I suppose i can understand from that perspective. But personally I've driven cars that have IRS and then mine with a solid rear axle. Maybe from the factory its not excellent but I think it had to do with really crappy front suspension. So now i have some Konis and wider summer tires and it handles great. Magazines have also praised the mustang's live axle.

 

[homeforsummer]

Or build another car to please the Europeans and Japanese, instead of messing with the Mustang.

Messing? Or making better?

The only real domain in which a live axle is demonstrably better is drag racing. Ford has made it work pretty well after fifty years of Mustangs and the latest models are supposed to be pretty decent to drive, but there's certainly no harm in dragging it kicking and screaming into the 21st century. If they can make a live axle as good as they have, think what they could do with IRS.

In fact, there's no thinking needed. European Fords (albeit FWD ones) have been using multi-link setups for well over a decade and they have a knack for making cars that handle better than most others in each class. Will be interesting to see what they can do with the same tech on a RWD platform.

 

[Slash]

Interesting new mock up. Still seems to be kind of retro but I kind of like this, minus the ugly rims and huge wheels altogether.

And I realllllyyyy like this green one at the bottom of this forums page;


http://forums.themustangsource.com/f806/2014-2015-photoshop-thread-477400/index81/


and 1 more:


This is probably the best, I really like that late '60s Mustang and Torino fastback design.

 

[homeforsummer]

Ugh. I prefer the blue render a few pages back. That purple thing looks like Droopy.

 

[Slash]

I think the best is that line mockup. If we had a render of something like that, it would be phenominal I think.


This fused in with that line mockup would be great. I think those tailights on this are based on 1970's.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Gotta step in and say I don't think a longer track is really going to help the V6 stang against the Evo/Sti, they both get enough of a lead by the 1/4 and do enough to hold that lead to ensure an advantage around most tracks under most conditions. That also goes without need of mention that a V6 mustang with performance package doesn't have all that much of a cost advantage over the Sedan Sti (the hatch carries a 2.5k premium).

At the very least, it's a drivers battle. I really hate to do this, because I know magazine comparisons are iffy and not the holy grail of anything. But still, I'll do it anyway. Same track, same driver (I believe.)

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...plete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2011-page-8

Similar times to the 370z, 350z track, 08 evo MR, 06 evo MR, and a second + change over an STI sedan. It was a completely stock Mustang, which meant it was constantly hitting the rev limiter. I was just going through the sector times to see where the STI was gaining ground or beating the mustang, but the page bugged out on me

Also, MSRP on a track pack V6 is mid 28s MSRP, rounded up to 29. STi sedan base MSRP is 34. 5k is a pretty large price advantage, enough to bump to 5.0 territory to even it out

 

[Slash]

Ugh I hate rev limiters...

 

[Blackbird.]

IRS is heavier, more expensive and less durable. Sounds alot better...

They tried IRS before in the Cobras, a big chunk of owners who modded their cars swapped them out for the live axle from the GT.

My friend did the opposite he put an IRS from a Cobra onto his '00 SN95

 

[Kent]

At the very least, it's a drivers battle. I really hate to do this, because I know magazine comparisons are iffy and not the holy grail of anything. But still, I'll do it anyway. Same track, same driver (I believe.)

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...plete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2011-page-8

Similar times to the 370z, 350z track, 08 evo MR, 06 evo MR, and a second + change over an STI sedan. It was a completely stock Mustang, which meant it was constantly hitting the rev limiter. I was just going through the sector times to see where the STI was gaining ground or beating the mustang, but the page bugged out on me

Also, MSRP on a track pack V6 is mid 28s MSRP, rounded up to 29. STi sedan base MSRP is 34. 5k is a pretty large price advantage, enough to bump to 5.0 territory to even it out

Can't really say I give that lap chart much credence when I read it saying the Mazda Speed 3 beat the WRX STi Hatch by over 3 seconds in a hot lap.
Oh, and the RX8 got the exact same time as the Sti Hatch as well.

 

[Blackbird.]

Ford has made it work pretty well after fifty years of Mustangs and the latest models are supposed to be pretty decent to drive.

They are very nice to drive. Sorry I had to put that out there.

 

[sumbrownkid]

At the very least, it's a drivers battle. I really hate to do this, because I know magazine comparisons are iffy and not the holy grail of anything. But still, I'll do it anyway. Same track, same driver (I believe.)

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...plete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2011-page-8

Similar times to the 370z, 350z track, 08 evo MR, 06 evo MR, and a second + change over an STI sedan. It was a completely stock Mustang, which meant it was constantly hitting the rev limiter. I was just going through the sector times to see where the STI was gaining ground or beating the mustang, but the page bugged out on me

Also, MSRP on a track pack V6 is mid 28s MSRP, rounded up to 29. STi sedan base MSRP is 34. 5k is a pretty large price advantage, enough to bump to 5.0 territory to even it out

Performance aside, you're also getting more car with that extra $5,000. Added rear doors and extra trunk space for your junk.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Rear doors and passenger room, yes. Trunk space, no. Mustang coupe trunk space - 13.4 cubic inches, STI Sedan trunk space - 11.3.

 

[ildd]

1. That design(OP) looks really really stupid. I think it makes Ford look bad since they went back to the older style and taking it away again.
2. If they do anything they should bring back the early 2000's design. Sexy <3

 

[Ls2BluGoat]

My friend did the opposite he put an IRS from a Cobra onto his '00 SN95

I was planning on doing that too, however since my car isn't seeing a roadcourse anytime soon, it's mostly for cosmetic purposes. It does give the car a much more aggressve look!

On topic: IRS wouldn't necessarily be a step down, per se, however there's going to be some concern for those who take their cars down 1/4 mile and aren't planning on keeping it bone stock. As mentioned, IRS has a bad reputation of breaking apart (and horrible wheelhop) when launching, and since the majority of Cobra owner's don't track their car, they have the next best thing they're familiar with. I've seen plenty of IRS Cobra's hitting 9's and 10's, but the money they've spent to stablize the rearend, could've been used to swap in a live axle

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Well actually, the Mustang has pretty suprising trunk space. My father and I go grocery shopping in it and after $120 of groceries, theres still room left for another trip. The issue here is that the Mustang is supposed to be cheap power. That is one of the main reasons why it sells so well. If they keep the live axle, they can lower the price more, and attract more customers. And think about it, if the Mustang dominates the Grand-Am competition where all the cars except the Mustang have IRS, why change it?

Here are the 2013 Ordering Options:
US Order Guide


Canada Order Guide


US Price List

Canada Price List

 

[Blackbird.]

Why for the 2013?

 

[Slash]

So that's it then? Still ew.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

That is the Motortrend rendition.

 

[Blackbird.]

Yeah I understand but why the 2013 ordering options and the like?

 

[Keef]

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[Keef]

I like the rear of the Motortrend drawing but the car needs a longer hood.

Sweet Jesus, no.

Hell to the yeah.

I love the tail light treatment too. Put this and the one above together and it'd be gnarsty.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Yeah I understand but why the 2013 ordering options and the like?

He might be confused because the 2013 cars are on sale now. New body style won't hit until 2015.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

I posted them because I thought that they would somehow become useful information when more information gets revealed.

 

[Ven0m]

Well actually, the Mustang has pretty suprising trunk space. My father and I go grocery shopping in it and after $120 of groceries, theres still room left for another trip. The issue here is that the Mustang is supposed to be cheap power. That is one of the main reasons why it sells so well. If they keep the live axle, they can lower the price more, and attract more customers. And think about it, if the Mustang dominates the Grand-Am competition where all the cars except the Mustang have IRS, why change it?

Here are the 2013 Ordering Options:
US Order Guide

Canada Order Guide

US Price List

Canada Price List

Wow, I didn't think mustangs could be more hideous. Silly me.

 

[Slash]

I like the rear of the Motortrend drawing but the car needs a longer hood.


Sweet Jesus, no.


Hell to the yeah.


I love the tail light treatment too. Put this and the one above together and it'd be gnarsty.

I agree. It would probably really nice in candy apple red or grabber blue.