2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[YSSMAN]

Shouldn't that make it a GT317?

 

[Badasp5.0]

Shouldn't that make it a GT317?

The Shelby naming had nothing to do with engine size. 350 in GT350 was how far between Shelby's office to the production floor.

 

[catamount39]

The Shelby naming had nothing to do with engine size. 350 in GT350 was how far between Shelby's office to the production floor.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

The Shelby naming had nothing to do with engine size. 350 in GT350 was how far between Shelby's office to the production floor.

The details are slightly different, according to R&T, but the essence is the same:

The origin of "GT350" is oft-told but nonetheless a good story. Shelby and execs were struggling for a name when he was struck by inspiration: "I want you to tell me how far it is to the Carter Street building," Carroll said to one of the mechanics. The latter walked it out at 347 paces. "Fine," said Ol' Shel, "We'll call it the `GT350.'"

 

[Badasp5.0]

The details are slightly different, according to R&T, but the essence is the same:

I have heard a few variations of the story.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I have heard a few variations of the story.

It's probably different every time someone tells it

 

[Team THRT Drift]

I have to be honest, when I first saw some pictures of the new Mustang I didn't really it. I thought it looked too bulky, too fat, etc. When I saw it in person...... I. LOST. MY. MIND! Beautiful car!

 

[Slash]

This was leaked, supposedly the badge that will appear on the new car. Part of the fender emblem sheet that was leaked.

 

[YSSMAN]

Took this less than 10 minutes ago outside my apartment. Not sure what the guys were doing, but, it was a GT with the big wheels on it. Love it in white, hate the silly pony in the grille. The GT badge on the back was pretty big, too.

 

[Team THRT Drift]

^ Cleaning the car?




I might order one like this and I might look into the packages that are available to the new GT.

 

[eSZee]

Took this less than 10 minutes ago outside my apartment. Not sure what the guys were doing,

Broke down already?

 

[ildd]

20" rims on a 'muscle' car from the factory... Not sure how I feel about this.

 

[Badasp5.0]

20" rims on a 'muscle' car from the factory... Not sure how I feel about this.

IIRC the Camaro and Challenger have had 20 inch wheels from the factory for a while now.

 

[Zenith]

All kinds of new cars have 20" options available. Bigger cars make the big wheels look less ridiculous.

 

[ildd]

IIRC the Camaro and Challenger have had 20 inch wheels from the factory for a while now.

I knew that the Camaro had been doing it for a while, but I don't remember the option for Ford. That's what I meant to say.

 

[Slash]

Bigger cars

There's the problem.

 

[McLaren]

There's the problem.

If I recall correctly, a 6th generation is .8 inches longer, 3.7 inches wider, & 4 inches taller than your beloved '69-'70 era Mustang, but with an inch shorter wheelbase.

So, not sure how you can call bigger cars a problem when they are far from being any larger than the cars you so heavily worship. If we got into the actual muscle cars, they were called boats for reasons beyond their handling capabilities.

 

[Slash]

And that makes a huge difference if you put them side by side. And it's even bigger than the long nose 71-73s. And those aren't small.

 

[mustang fanatic]

If I recall correctly, a 6th generation is .8 inches longer, 3.7 inches wider, & 4 inches taller than your beloved '69-'70 era Mustang, but with an inch shorter wheelbase.

So, not sure how you can call bigger cars a problem when they are FAR from being any larger than the cars you so heavily worship.

Yes I know it's not a 2015, but...

It's still a pig.

You can't tell me these new cars aren't huge compared to their predecessors.

 

[McLaren]

And that makes a huge difference if you put them side by side. And it's even bigger than the long nose 71-73s. And those aren't small.

No, it doesn't. Cars have gotten a bit wider & taller, but as far as the overall size, cars have not gotten any larger than they have to.

You can't tell me these new cars aren't huge compared to their predecessors.

The original Shelby:
108 inch wheel base.
190.62 inch length.
71.9 inch width.
50.6 inch height.

The 5th Gen next to it?
107.1 inch whee base.
187.6 inch length.
73.8 inch width.
54.5 inch height.

Let's throw in the weight too for fun: 4,230lbs. of the GT500 Coupe vs. 4,040lbs. of the 5th Gen. Convertible. It's called perception & it's why a GT-R looks gigantic next to even a R34 despite the fact while it is 5 inches wider, it's still within' 3 inches of the length & height. Look up a Veyron for even more evidence of perception; it's wider by a good deal, but it's shorter in length & height by a large margin despite not appearing so.

Perhaps Slash & yourself may want to study that.

 

[Slash]

Where are you getting 190" of length on the old one? Not one of them old ones ever exceed more than 187" to my knowledge. Most are about 180"

Your weight is incredibly off. Even a loaded 70 Mach 1 according to my Ford ordering guide PDF didn't weigh more than 3,400lbs.

 

[mustang fanatic]

No, it doesn't. Cars have gotten a bit wider & taller, but as far as the overall size, cars have not gotten any larger than they have to.

There's your problem.

New cars a fat, and therefore, far worse looking than the older ones.

The original Shelby:
108 inch wheel base.
190.62 inch length.
71.9 inch width.
50.6 inch height.

The 5th Gen next to it?
107.1 inch whee base.
187.6 inch length.
73.8 inch width.
54.5 inch height.

Let's throw in the weight too for fun: 4,230lbs. of the GT500 Coupe vs. 4,040lbs. of the 5th Gen. Convertible. It's called perception & it's why a GT-R looks gigantic next to even a R34 despite the fact while it is 5 inches wider, it's still within' 3 inches of the length & height. Look up a Veyron for even more evidence of perception; it's wider by a good deal, but it's shorter in length & height by a large margin despite not appearing so.

Perhaps Slash & yourself may want to study that.

The original Shelby is not 190 inches. 69-70 Mustangs were about 187 inches iirc. And that was one of the largest first gen Mustangs.

There is really no reason for these cars to be this fat. In fact, I was actually told the classic Mustangs have more interior room than the new ones. If car companies actually cared how their cars looked these days, that would be great.

 

[McLaren]

Where are you getting 190" of length on the old one? Not one of them old ones ever exceed more than 187" to my knowledge. Most are about 180"

We're talking about the GT500 & the '69 models it came from; they were not 180" in length. They were 187" with the GT500 at 190".
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2423.html
http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=143
http://www.ehow.com/info_8176338_1969-shelby-mustang-gt500-history.html

Ford placed the 1969 Shelby GT500 on a 108-inch wheelbase. It was 190 inches long and 71.9 inches wide with the front and rear track width measuring 58.5 inches.

Your weight is incredibly off. Even a loaded 70 Mach 1 according to my Ford ordering guide PDF didn't weigh more than 3,400lbs.

We're not talking about a Mach 1. We're talking about the GT500 which weighed 4,230lbs. Funny how all 3 of my links all quoted that exact number.

Not that you've proven to have much credibility with weight anyway given the claims you made in the past.

There's your problem.

New cars a fat, and therefore, far worse looking than the older ones.

And old cars are too long, therefore, far stupider?

You don't know what perception is which is why you think a car looks huge & therefore worse, when it's not.

The original Shelby is not 190 inches. 69-70 Mustangs were about 187 inches iirc. And that was one of the largest first gen Mustangs.

Nope. You & Slash keep thinking about the base car which is where that rating comes from. Same with the weight.

There is really no reason for these cars to be this fat. In fact, I was actually told the classic Mustangs have more interior room than the new ones. If car companies actually cared how their cars looked these days, that would be great.

You mean like why there was no reason for old cars to weigh so much?

You guys have arguments that are so easily turned around.

 

[Slash]

I couldn't give a crap about the Shelby's lol



The only reason the Shelby was that long was because of the extended nose. Most Mustangs were much less your singling out one specific model across a broad lineup.

 

[McLaren]

I couldn't give a crap about the Shelby's lol

That's fine because you're not the one who brought it up. However, your claim that "bigger cars are the problem" was pretty stupid considering you love a year/body style that isn't any bigger by marginal numbers than the current generation.

The only reason the Shelby was that long was because of the extended nose. Most Mustangs were much less your singling out one specific model across a broad lineup.

We're not talking about most Mustangs. I'm calling out your original comment as "problematic" because you worship a car & an era of sports cars that weren't anywhere significantly smaller. Your buddy attempting to post pictures to prove your point doesn't help because of the perception, hence why I quoted weights as well; that 5th GT500 looks like it weighs twice as much, but it doesn't.

 

[mustang fanatic]

And old cars are too long, therefore, far stupider?

No.

Seriously, look at these bloated messes

They just look... Stupid.

That is the problem we have with "bigger" cars.

You mean like why there was no reason for old cars to weigh so much?

Because new cars are built with a ****load of plastic.

That's fine because you're not the one who brought it up. However, your claim that "bigger cars are the problem" was pretty stupid considering you love a year/body style that isn't any bigger by marginal numbers than the current generation.

When we say "bigger" cars we mean fatter and taller, which makes them look crappy. Length has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, how many freaking times do I have to tell you something before you understand?

 

[Slash]

Wider and taller makes them look gigantic regardless of how long they are.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

It's not the dimensions so much, it's how they are used.

 

[McLaren]

No.

That is the problem we have with "bigger" cars.

They look stupid...in your eyes. Quit posting these opinions as fact.

Because new cars are built with a ****load of plastic.

And yet, ironic that they still don't weigh more or much more at all than old muscle cars.

Give me the car that will save my life with the "****load of plastic" over the "steel deathtrap".

When we say "bigger" cars we mean fatter and taller, which makes them look crappy. Length has nothing to do with this.

Oh ok, so the only dimensions that matter are the ones that prove your point, dimensions that aren't any noticeably different than length either.

Seriously, how many freaking times do I have to tell you something before you understand?

You haven't said a thing worth understanding because you don't understand cars today look bigger because of their perception of size; pretty sure I've had to "freaking tell you" this twice.

It's no coincidence that now you're trying to ride your argument on the figures for height & width after I posted them to disprove your silly attempt at posting a GT500 convertible vs an older GT500 as proof new cars were huge in comparison.

Wider and taller makes them look gigantic regardless of how long they are.

No. You want to throw out the idea that new cars are gigantic in size compared to old cars, you must take length into account as well. Don't try to start this same bull**** your Mustang buddy is playing that only the width & height matter because they concede with your views.

More importantly as you continue to fail to understand, it is the perception that makes cars look gigantic. I've given you examples, but you ignored the post.

 

[Slash]

Again you single out one specific car across a broad model range. One car doesn't make them all that way. But best to drop it here than start world war three.