2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion
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I highly doubt that. Can you provide links?
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/...reaks_in_2005_2011_ford_mustangs/viewall.html
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12.56 in the Ecoboost is fast enough for me. Shopping list for next car:
- 2015 Mustang Ecoboost
- 2016 Mazda Miata (Coupe please Mazda!)
- nothing else comes to mind
- 2015 Mustang Ecoboost
- 2016 Mazda Miata (Coupe please Mazda!)
- nothing else comes to mind
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12.56 in the Ecoboost is fast enough for me. Shopping list for next car:
- 2015 Mustang Ecoboost
- 2016 Mazda Miata (Coupe please Mazda!)
- nothing else comes to mind
When my lease is up in ~2 years:
- new Mustang
- new Challenger Scat Pack
- used 2015 Stingray
- used 981 Cayman
Or mod the hell out of the S4
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http://mobile.news.com.au/finance/b...e-as-ford-falcon/story-fnda1bsz-1227070794537
I posted this in the Falcon thread as well.
We'll see how people receive this. If it does drive like an A5, we'll see how many trade in their 2-series'(probably zero).
I posted this in the Falcon thread as well.
We'll see how people receive this. If it does drive like an A5, we'll see how many trade in their 2-series'(probably zero).
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I really like the way that uncorked ecoboost sounds.
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I quite like that Roush. They may have solved the awkward looking front end with that nose extension.
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I wish Ford would make a premium version of this car that isn't a Mustang.
A; Revive Mercury and call it the XR-7 (Cougar name has zero brand cache anymore)
B; Give CPR to the Lincoln brand and call it the Mark Ten (Not 'MKX') <best option I think
C; Keep it a Ford and call it the Thunderbird.
D; Make an entirely new model
Give the AMG brand something to think about. The 5 liter engine is an amazing unit, good enough to be compared to the Merc V8s in my opinion. And now that the car has a thoroughly good platform, why not? Why can't we have a AMG CLK fighter from the USA?
The body and interior would need substantial redesign because it shouldn't be a Mustang in drag. It should be a proper GT car. Sell it for $50k. I'd buy one.
A; Revive Mercury and call it the XR-7 (Cougar name has zero brand cache anymore)
B; Give CPR to the Lincoln brand and call it the Mark Ten (Not 'MKX') <best option I think
C; Keep it a Ford and call it the Thunderbird.
D; Make an entirely new model
Give the AMG brand something to think about. The 5 liter engine is an amazing unit, good enough to be compared to the Merc V8s in my opinion. And now that the car has a thoroughly good platform, why not? Why can't we have a AMG CLK fighter from the USA?
The body and interior would need substantial redesign because it shouldn't be a Mustang in drag. It should be a proper GT car. Sell it for $50k. I'd buy one.
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Mustang as a proper GT car?
Pretty bad starting point, it would need a lot lot more than a restyle and different badge. It would end up costing a lot more.
Why is it a bad starting point? It's a front engine rear drive coupe (now with IRS!) on a fairly sophisticated modern platform with a stonking great, refined V8. Hell, bring back the concept of the Mustang Grande (but for the love of all that is holy call it something different, and absolutely no vinyl anything) and I'd like that honestly.
I feel like FoMoCo's "premium" portfolio is severely lacking. A personal luxury coupe could be awesome. (To be clear, I'd like to see this in addition to the Mustang, not supplanting it)
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Their premium portfolio is lacking because nobody can afford car north of 50 grand. If they could, they'd buy an F-150 instead. That or snort enough crack to buy a Cadillac.
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Mustang as a proper GT car?
Pretty bad starting point, it would need a lot lot more than a restyle and different badge. It would end up costing a lot more.
It's FR, long, heavy, has a torque-y motor, a nice 6 speed (or one of fords autos), has plenty good suspension for Grand Touring. Sounds like the big ingredients are all there. Can you think of anything significantly wrong with it?
Give it some better interior materials, seats, and a different enough exterior to differentiate it from the Mustang and it'll be a great budget GT car, especially considering the price jump to the likes of a Maserati GT or a 6 series BMW.
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Well, they do have the Titanium trim that they could add to it, but I don't think a GT Premium would be all that far off from where that car would be. They could also use the Vingale brand name from the EU, calling it a Vingale Coupe, but that dillutes the Mustang image, I'd think, without a major redesign of the front/rear. Although I have said previously that I think they should offer a version of the car without the pony badges, offering it as an EcoBoost Coupe or ST Coupe, I'm not so sure that going above the Mustang GT would work well.
...Lincoln will probably get a version of the car, but, its hard to say how much of it would be a Mustang or a Lincoln. What that boils down to is how much Ford would really want to invest on developing something new. I, for the life of me, can't really imagine Lincoln wanting a premium 2+2 GT car sitting in their showrooms next to the MKC and MKZ. Of course, there is definitely a market for it, but that implies that Ford would be able to take away sales from Cadillac and Lexus, while also not eating into the sales of the Mustang itself.
Lets say Ford did decide to do a 2+2 GT car based on the Mustang... What kind of improvements would be absolutely necessary? Revamped, Lincoln-appropriate interior, sure. It'd definitely be automatic-only, that's for sure. Similarly, I'd expect an EcoBoost powertrain, but it'd need to differentiate itself from the Mustang... How about that new 2.7L V6? Or just use that old 3.5L V6 that still serves well in the MKS? Do they go for a push-button shifter on the dash, too?
Put me in charge of Lincoln for a day, here's how I'd make the call:
- Mustang chassis, stretched wheelbase to at least 110"-113", adapted for all-wheel-drive if optioned
- Body style is a four-door coupe, visa vis the Audi A7 and BMW 6GT
- License or develop magnetic suspension tech specifically for the car, adapt it to the others later
- Automatic-trans, only. Get that new 8-speed unit from ZF, pushbutton shifter on the dash, offer paddles for "Sport Mode"
- EcoBoost engines, only. Standard option is that big-torque 2.7L EcoBoost V6 (you know, for that woosh feeling), optional 3.5L EcoBoost V6 is all-wheel-drive only
- Standard 18" wheels with all-season rubber, optional 19" and 20" wheels depending on trim level
- Call it the Mark, do trim levels I-III. Basic MKI is a luxurious touring car, and not much else - shoot for the A7 shopper at a value price. The MKII steps things up, makes the 3.5L optional, still has an emphasis on touring, but with some sporting credibility (magnetic suspension). The MKIII is 3.5L only, gets the full suite of sporty options - magnetic suspension, flappy paddles, big wheels with summer tires
- Kick the price out the door starting at $45k for an MKI, run it up the pole to almost $60k to start on a MKIII, give/take where an A7 3.0T would be without options
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I would love to see Lincoln with a simple 3 car lineup. A Mustang-based but heavily revised 2+2 GT, a proper full size sedan with long wheel base variants and the venerable Navi. Concentrate on style, quality, and comfort rather than pure driving dynamics. If I'm buying a Lincoln, I'd rather it be built well than exhibit "neutral mid-corner balance with perfect steering feel" Of course, Lincoln has had neither quality nor driving dynamics since....well, ever. Perhaps they can start!
It's weird, I suppose.... I really like the new Mustang, for what it is, but I don't want a Mustang. I don't like that it compromises too much in service of it's own brand image. The new car goes a hell of a long way to undue this, but I still see it. Give me the chassis, give me the engine, certainly, even give me the interior, but keep the badge. Maybe a tuner will release a comprehensively packaged car with a different name. It would be superficial and in many ways a lie, but I would be ok with that.
Edit: Ysssman, I disagree with you on the engine. That 5 liter is a monster and excluding it from this fantasy is a dire mistake.
It's weird, I suppose.... I really like the new Mustang, for what it is, but I don't want a Mustang. I don't like that it compromises too much in service of it's own brand image. The new car goes a hell of a long way to undue this, but I still see it. Give me the chassis, give me the engine, certainly, even give me the interior, but keep the badge. Maybe a tuner will release a comprehensively packaged car with a different name. It would be superficial and in many ways a lie, but I would be ok with that.
Edit: Ysssman, I disagree with you on the engine. That 5 liter is a monster and excluding it from this fantasy is a dire mistake.
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Well, it seems like Lincoln is trying to convey some kind of new direction with their ads. As much as I didn't mind the Slattery/Baby Boomer vibe from before, this new McConaughey/Gen X thing doesn't seem entirely ridiculous, either. At the very least, the MKC leads the way with a very clean design, great luxury execution, and presumably pretty solid reliability based on the Ford parts that sit within. Where it gets murky is the performance and the price... The exact thing that's been killing the brand for the past 20 years.
They've said repeatedly that they don't want to chase Cadillac, and I totally understand that. As much as I love what Cadillac is doing, they are leaving a pretty significant portion of their former market behind, and honestly, it is all Lincoln's opportunity to pick those shoppers up. What it really boils down to for me is that they need to make cars that aren't afraid of being comfortable and quiet, but at the same time, shouldn't completely isolate the driver from being able to feel what the road is like beneath them. Honestly, Lincoln should do their best to emulate Bentley, sitting somewhere in between sport and luxury. Offer a good balance between both extremes, and do it at a halfway reasonable price. It doesn't mean they need to be cheaper than Cadillac, but, to be reasonable.
A rear-drive coupe/sedan based on the Mustang would be a halfway decent way to do it. Whether or not they use the Coyote V8, well, that's up to Ford, I'd think. Day-to-day, I'm under the impression that an EcoBoost V6 would make more sense, particularly if it had gobs of torque like that new 2.7L unit from the F150. Make the car feel quick, make it capable, but don't make it the kind of car that easily gets you in trouble. It doesn't need to turn and stop on a dime like an AMG or M car, but it should certainly be a bit more competent than a Buick Regal GS or Chrysler 300. There's a lot of engineering that'd have to go into it, and I'm largely afraid that Ford wouldn't want to do it.
A Vingale future wouldn't be all that bad here in the US, but, it'd ignore a lot of what makes our market so great. A competent Lincoln would be great to see again, with or without a Mustang-based car. Still, I get the feeling that something like the Lincoln C Concept would make more sense first over a halo car like that... Particularly when the Audi A3 and Mercedes CLA seem to be doing so well.
They've said repeatedly that they don't want to chase Cadillac, and I totally understand that. As much as I love what Cadillac is doing, they are leaving a pretty significant portion of their former market behind, and honestly, it is all Lincoln's opportunity to pick those shoppers up. What it really boils down to for me is that they need to make cars that aren't afraid of being comfortable and quiet, but at the same time, shouldn't completely isolate the driver from being able to feel what the road is like beneath them. Honestly, Lincoln should do their best to emulate Bentley, sitting somewhere in between sport and luxury. Offer a good balance between both extremes, and do it at a halfway reasonable price. It doesn't mean they need to be cheaper than Cadillac, but, to be reasonable.
A rear-drive coupe/sedan based on the Mustang would be a halfway decent way to do it. Whether or not they use the Coyote V8, well, that's up to Ford, I'd think. Day-to-day, I'm under the impression that an EcoBoost V6 would make more sense, particularly if it had gobs of torque like that new 2.7L unit from the F150. Make the car feel quick, make it capable, but don't make it the kind of car that easily gets you in trouble. It doesn't need to turn and stop on a dime like an AMG or M car, but it should certainly be a bit more competent than a Buick Regal GS or Chrysler 300. There's a lot of engineering that'd have to go into it, and I'm largely afraid that Ford wouldn't want to do it.
A Vingale future wouldn't be all that bad here in the US, but, it'd ignore a lot of what makes our market so great. A competent Lincoln would be great to see again, with or without a Mustang-based car. Still, I get the feeling that something like the Lincoln C Concept would make more sense first over a halo car like that... Particularly when the Audi A3 and Mercedes CLA seem to be doing so well.
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I think for Lincoln to be viable, they're gonna need to make landyacht Equus killers that get superb fuel economy. I'm talking Lincoln Mark with a 20-foot pan of battery pack underneath.
The worst part about Lincoln is just the interior design and the materials. They suck. It's sad that the Koreans have them completely outclassed, and not even in just their halo cars.
The worst part about Lincoln is just the interior design and the materials. They suck. It's sad that the Koreans have them completely outclassed, and not even in just their halo cars.
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The platform is not sophisticated, the ride quality is terrible, the interior is cheap and plasticky (even though it's an improvement on the previous model). Refinement is below what is expected for a sports coupe, let alone a GT.
The 5.0 engine would be well suited to a big GT coupe though. They could do a GT car to compete with the likes of Mercedes or BMW with that engine, very loosely based on the Mustang with a much much higher price.
Or a rebadge, restyle and new interior trim. Sell it for a reasonable increase in price as a premium version of a Mustang with a different name.
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I don't know about ride quality as I've never been in one, but interior quite easy to fix if you have the recourses of a Ford Motor Company.
Higly unlikely as the market for such vehicles is quite hard to compete in.
Probably what they will do if they decide to make something more refined out of the Mustang.
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"I wish Ford would make a premium version of this car that isn't a Mustang.
Give the AMG brand something to think about. The 5 liter engine is an amazing unit, good enough to be compared to the Merc V8s in my opinion. And now that the car has a thoroughly good platform, why not? Why can't we have a AMG CLK fighter from the USA?"
Isn't that almost exactly what I said?
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But, it would have to be vastly different from the regular Mustang. It would be too costly to do, so it wouldn't happen.
Basically, the Mustang is the wrong car to become a proper, refined GT. Too much work required.
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