2015 Formula 1 Grande Premio Petrobras do Brasil
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After first lap I slept most of the race. Only woke up when DC started yelling about Max overtaking some one.
Did HAM party too much after Texas or did ROS really found some speed?
Did HAM party too much after Texas or did ROS really found some speed?
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Seems like the tyre pressure changes don't suit Hamilton's quali laps, I think he's still faster than Rosberg (as he was in Brazil) but quali is king in identical cars.
I find this idea that Lewis couldn't pass Nico because of identical machinery somewhat implausible; seeing as Max was passing superior cars (in terms of power and straight line speed) with the help of DRS. If a slower car can use the DRS to get a speed advantage on a faster car, then there's no reason why an identical car can't.
He did. Multiple times. But he just couldn't make it work for him.
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The over taking wasn't being done during the straight, it was being done in the braking zone, where brakes, tyres, the tyres life/condition and downforce matter. These would have been different between the teams. Between the two Mercs, these were identical.
I thought it was well established that Redbull and their sister team Toro Rosso often made up their straight line deficiencies in all the other places. Perhaps Lewis was making up excuses, but I'm also sure the armchair critics watching know better than the triple world champion who was doing the driving.
It doesn't matter where the move was done. Fact is the DRS got Verstappen close enough too make the move and if he could do it in a slower car, Lewis could do it in equal machinery. He was pipped to the post yesterday, fair and square!
Lewis simply repeated what the team said to him over the radio though frankly, it didn't sound to me like they believed it themselves. But they know how important it is to protect his fragile ego, lest his form suffer.
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- mustafur
Not entirely true, in those overtakes he had the superior tyres so he could brake later and get on the power earlier at the start of the straight, these help overtaking potential.
When you have two drivers driving the same cars on similar strategies passing is much more difficult in this instance even if you don't have deficits in other areas.
What we saw from Verstappen however is that in a slower car you can gain on a faster car on the straights, using the DRS. Therefore it's possible in equal machinery. And had Hamilton been able to match Rosberg in sector two, he'd have had a much better shot at passing him into the first corner. But he was consistently off Rosberg in the middle sector all weekend, and that is what cost him.
In medium to high speed corners, yes. However in slow speed corners, such as three 'hairpins' in sector two, it isn't really a problem. As aerodynamic turbulence is only created at speed. Yet Hamilton always appeared to drop back from Rosberg even more in that section. This meant that coming into the final corner he wasn't in a position to capitalize on a potential bad exit from Nico. Put simply, he wasn't as good in that part of the lap.
Apologies for referring to the three hairpins as sector two before, by the way. I was for some reason under the impression that sector two started after turn seven!
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Thought Martin Brundle was a bit rude to Nico. He probably didn't mean to be and opened his interview praising him but went on to mention how lucky he his and he should play the lottery.
Aside from that MB seems a bit old and fuddy these days from the pieces I get to see. Can't say I miss him like I used to.
Aside from that MB seems a bit old and fuddy these days from the pieces I get to see. Can't say I miss him like I used to.
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Yes, protect his fragile ego. The one that had him win the title with 3 races to go. Posts like this amuse me. Then you have people who claim he's full of it, boasting about Verstappen's overtaking. But they fail to mention it was with drs, against slower cars, on the slower tire.
Look, Rosberg is no slouch. And Toto was quoted as saying the team's main focus was securing him 2nd in the wdc. There were straight forward denials to trying different strategies, in Mexico and Brazil. Lewis already secured the wdc but the team wont even let him take chances like staying out or using different tire compounds. Blame Mercedes for Lewis's mumblings. But be fair, he gave full credit to Nico for winning.
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Nonsense! We all know from 2014 that Nico is a pushover! 
Honestly, there is something to Lewis being slower in sector two, but really, in the end, as long as they were on the same strategy, there's no way Lewis could have overtaken Nico. Many of Lewis' dominating performances over Nico have come courtesy of bad starts and race start scrambles.
The only way Lewis could have won this is if conditions changed allowing him to split strategies or if Nico had had another late-race brain hiccup. And he didn't. Props to Rosberg for performing well under pressure.
Remove the fuel flow and ERS utilizations limits. GIve people an overall fuel limit, but let them use it any way they want. That way we can have people trying to cruise up each other's tailpipes, saving fuel for a two or three lap attack with an extra hundred or more horses.
This also radically simplifies stewarding. No need for those finichy flow monitors.
Honestly, there is something to Lewis being slower in sector two, but really, in the end, as long as they were on the same strategy, there's no way Lewis could have overtaken Nico. Many of Lewis' dominating performances over Nico have come courtesy of bad starts and race start scrambles.
The only way Lewis could have won this is if conditions changed allowing him to split strategies or if Nico had had another late-race brain hiccup. And he didn't. Props to Rosberg for performing well under pressure.
Remove the fuel flow and ERS utilizations limits. GIve people an overall fuel limit, but let them use it any way they want. That way we can have people trying to cruise up each other's tailpipes, saving fuel for a two or three lap attack with an extra hundred or more horses.
This also radically simplifies stewarding. No need for those finichy flow monitors.
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It depends what you mean by slower cars. If you mean slower in the corners then yes, I understand. However all the cars Verstappen was racing on track were faster in a straight line; yet he was still able to use DRS too pass them. Which means it is possible in equal machinery.
What I find especially comical is this idea of 'Hamilton said it's impossible to follow around Interlagos, so it must be true'; even though for quite a lot of laps he was well within DRS range. Having watched the race back I think I was wrong about Lewis losing time in the hairpins; he seemed to marginally quicker there. And often closed the gap to Nico to around +0.750. Didn't look that way too me when first watching it, but can't argue with the numbers.
However DC nailed the reason why Hamilton lost over the commentary at around lap 23. His line through the final corner was worse than Rosberg's. Lewis was taking a tighter line than Nico through the final turn consistently, and as a consequence was getting poorer exits. Which explains why he closed up so much in the latter half of the second sector, only to suddenly appear miles behind coming out of the final corner.
So this loss is on Lewis's head, I'm afraid.
Earlier in the year in Belgium two drivers (one of them being Nico) suffered huge tyre blow outs, whilst running the same compounds, that were later used in Mexico. So you can't blame Mercedes for wanting to be cautious, when they could afford to be. We're all aware Pirelli changed the tyre pressures to try and prevent a repeat but at the same time, even they can't fully guarantee that it is a fix. It had nothing to do with trying to prevent Lewis from winning.
As for Brazil they were originally happy to try a different strategy but had to back out of it very quickly, when Lewis came upon a lot of traffic. No doubt Lewis will say he could have made it work still. But the fact is he needed a series of fast laps in clean air and with traffic, he wasn't going to be able too.
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I'm fine with Hamilton winning I suppose as a fan, but then again it's not very fun unless you have milestones, such as him winning the WDC. Sure I knew (or was safely sure) he'd do it this year after some point, but when is the question and that's why for me I kept somewhat enjoying, but then he wins it and then the rest is just filler at that point.
I'm not going to read much into two races where he has been beaten by Rosberg. If this continues into next season however, then I'm going to have to begin to question if Hamilton has lost his drive. All his life he dreamed of emulating Ayrton but now he's done that, perhaps he feels subconsciously that he has nothing left to aim for in F1? As I said however this is only a theory I'll give serious consideration towards, if this continues.
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He has the same attitude as every other winner. As soon as things aren't going their way they turn into little whiny bitches.
Look at the transformation of Vettel. He went from pissypoorpants to having the time of his life now at Ferrari.
Look at the transformation of Vettel. He went from pissypoorpants to having the time of his life now at Ferrari.
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Well that explains Austin!
In all seriousness though I don't think that was deliberate.Similar threads
