2015 Round 3 - Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - Nissan Zytek Z11SN Greaves Motorsport LMP2

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Ok, so if we have two different setups (clear and cloudy) could it be that on other setup there's better grip on other parts of the track and vice versa? If it's like @IBZ6L20VT says it really could be that grip just is better on clear sky and not so good on cloudy, witch would be a total F up from PD...

But yeah, if we have two setups were there's bit different grip in different places it could explain why approaching the corner in same way could result to different out comes on different stints...

Now having to learn two set of grip setups would not be that much of a problem (yes it would :D) but the way it seems to me is that chassis of the car starts to get looser already around 50km and that'll also create a sort of effect that it feels like on same stint something is not quite static when I do more and more laps...

But yeah, first thing really is that these GTa cars provided are extremely hard to get up to pace, and even more difficult is to keep the pace up for entire lap lol... So yeah, this is the best I've cone up with but I'm not quite sure uf it makes any sense so feel free to argue 👍
 
Yup, finally got Gold.
I could run 2;13;xxx laps all day, but beating it I found difficult.
My excuse is that as this is an endurance car I was driving to a delta time and not qualifying laps :lol:. Shame PD do not do this, instead of a 1 lap time do a several laps consistently, basically I am rubbish at this.
 
Since I haven't really played GT6 in a while, there's one question I want to raise. If you set the weather settings to fixed, will the skies always be the same?

I ask because if you think about it, the grip on track is a variable in this game. With weather on, you can start a race in the sun but it may finish in a downpour. The traction in track has to change in relation to the visual effect of rain. The unknown is whether this change is limited to rain or if clouds/sun also have an impact. IRL it does since it changes track temperature and I believe the game provides that. IIRC, it was a touted feature that may have only been partially implemented. In other words, it may be a straightforward linear application. Full sun has the most grip and will decrease through clouds until reaching a monsoon.

Whatever the case, I'm finished with this round. I now have the splits for a .1 or .2 but that means having to get lucky - again - at bus stop. Based on my experience last year, it's not happening. :lol:
 
My, far from xpert opinion. All of my best laps have been set with clouds overhead. Went back and watched all the top 10 replays and some had clouds, some didn't. I myself have been keeping a close eye on this since round 1. I have not noticed any difference in regards to what I have bolded in your post. Clouds, no clouds.....I haven't noticed any difference. The random grip issue seems to come from something else and doesn't seem related to the cloud cover. Sorry and don't mean to disagree with you, but what are friends for anyway. :P:lol::cheers:

PS. I always look up before I start a session.;)


same here, some of the top replays have cloudy skies.
and this is the same thing for seasonnal TTs with variable weather, for the few i've done at least.

but my laps were made with sunny skies (for the last at least), i'll try with cloudy skies, maybe i'll win half a sec lol. (if only...)
 
If you set the weather settings to fixed, will the skies always be the same?

Nope, that's why I explained my theory about clouds and grip, because I agree with you that for PD, grip and weather surely have a linear relationship and as we can only set the weather in fractions of 25%, between these fixed values the game applies some transition changes. I raced online with fixed weather at 50% and make 2 races with some fog and suddleny a third race with some drops of rain in the middle of the race.

If what we are suffering with grip in GT Academy has some relation with that weather changes even with it fixed, remains in a mistery.
 
Round 3 guide is up (Day later than normal, but it's a Bank Holiday here in the UK :)!). As usual it's a slow motion lap talking about each corner, followed by a fast lap with both the bumper cam and 3rd eye this time.

Do let me know if you want anything changing for the final round!

Time stamps for specific corners/sections (I've grouped some corners together);

La Source: 2:00
Eau Rouge: 5:35
Les Combes: 8:15
Bruxelles: 11:15
Pouhon: 13:55
Campus: 15:50
Stavelot: 17:20
Blanchimont: 19:15
Bus Stop Chicane: 19:50

Fast Commentary: 21:15

Enjoy :)!


Thanks tigdney what I would like to know is....
I consistently lap in the 2.09.1s with my best being a 2.08.8. That's 2.3 off number 1. I don't expect to do a lap and bang in a 2.07 just like that. I need to change something.. My driving technique? I'm guessing you can jump on the wheel and consistently go round at the low 2.08s. Was there a point on gran turisimo that you went from UK 50th to number 1? And how?

You said in your guide about some tip videos this week. How aggressive are you with the wheel and pedals? What about your setup I have a wheel + pedals and stand but just a normal chair. I'll be putting a lot of time into round 4 but if I'm in the same predicamate as I am in round 3 I'll get nowhere. I need to change something. Thanks mate
 
Yup, finally got Gold.
I could run 2;13;xxx laps all day, but beating it I found difficult.
My excuse is that as this is an endurance car I was driving to a delta time and not qualifying laps :lol:. Shame PD do not do this, instead of a 1 lap time do a several laps consistently, basically I am rubbish at this.

Congrats!!
 
Perhaps if they wanted to ad variable weather (which, I have noticed to a slight degree, my latest w/ some clouds), they could also add increased grip, as time goes on, due to all the rubber that should be "realistically" laid down by now! 👍 That would be COOL!! :cheers:

"The Real Driving Simulator" :gtpflag:

...of course then they would want to/need to ad tire wear (not trying to reopen that can of worms...just sayin') :lol:

:cheers:

My, far from xpert opinion. All of my best laps have been set with clouds overhead. Went back and watched all the top 10 replays and some had clouds, some didn't. I myself have been keeping a close eye on this since round 1. I have not noticed any difference in regards to what I have bolded in your post. Clouds, no clouds.....I haven't noticed any difference. The random grip issue seems to come from something else and doesn't seem related to the cloud cover. Sorry and don't mean to disagree with you, but what are friends for anyway. :P:lol::cheers:

PS. I always look up before I start a session.;)

Agreed.
 
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Thanks tigdney what I would like to know is....
I consistently lap in the 2.09.1s with my best being a 2.08.8. That's 2.3 off number 1. I don't expect to do a lap and bang in a 2.07 just like that. I need to change something.. My driving technique? I'm guessing you can jump on the wheel and consistently go round at the low 2.08s. Was there a point on gran turisimo that you went from UK 50th to number 1? And how?

You said in your guide about some tip videos this week. How aggressive are you with the wheel and pedals? What about your setup I have a wheel + pedals and stand but just a normal chair. I'll be putting a lot of time into round 4 but if I'm in the same predicamate as I am in round 3 I'll get nowhere. I need to change something. Thanks mate

Hey Mate,

First of all I never really went from rank 50 to rank 1 in the UK as I sort of made my own competition when I went all out for the Redbull X2010 challenge on the Pad! (I still claim that I was the only person to do it on the DS3 before controller sensitivity :P! Gold that is). But back on track a little, that challenge helped me out MASSIVELY. Ye I knew I was still quick back then, but it was still on a pad. I then jumped onto GT Academy 2011 and used the pad and was always up there UK wise. Switching to a wheel during it again I improved pretty much straight away but that's just from knowledge I learnt playing the pad so I never really had the Rank 50 to Rank 1 (Or in my case Rank 3 as I've never finished rank 1 in the UK at the final round of GT Academy :P).

So to answer your question a little bit and I'll probably do a video on this at some point.

The thing is with any racing sim/game or actually any game what so ever is that you need a baseline, you need something to compare against. Now I'm naturally quite good at any game (I know that sounds big headed, but it's not the only game I've ranked highly in before). The way I initially approach something helps me a lot. First thing I'll do is just try something, experience it and try to learn as much as I can from it. So in this case if this was my first GT academy I'd be just trying to get round and do laps and figure out what I can do right and what I can do wrong. That isn't a baseline but what is, especially in GT Academys case is a lap time and being able to hit it consistently. Once I've hit my initial limit it's then time to look at a few replays and tips around the internet. Sometimes I think 'Wow, why didn't I think of that'. But in some cases you'll find that you are actually doing something similar and still not getting the gains that you expect or want (A lot of people fall in to this category). Also one thing to note with my first proper go at GT Academy is I made a spreadsheet and as I was a student did 4 1 hour sessions a day. I noted down each sector vs the best and always checked what I did different on a sector to identify how I could improve further.

So here's the point now you have to be able to do in order to improve....

TEST! Test, test, test, test, test! The thing is it's all very well and good people like myself and others explaining how to do something. Yes it will help give you a good idea but you have to test and push boundaries yourself and be consistent about it to. So if I say brake at this point and do this, try it. Then try something different, maybe brake a bit less or turn a bit more you have to push the boundaries. If you don't push the boundaries yourself you can't learn fully from it. I perhaps should upload a whole 1st session explaining my thought process as I do have some recorded so I might just do that!

That's a bit about the thought process about it anyway.

As for hardware! Hardware doesn't matter that much, yes it helps I mean I have a full setup now but going back to my first GT Academy I had a chair, controller and a 22" television that I played on. Nothing more than that, and still could go quick. I think the only reason I have a full setup still is because I like the ability not having to get my wheel out when it's already there I just press a button, sit down and play. One thing to note with hardware is the only time it will have any kind of effect is maybe 1 tenth or 2 right at the top (DS3 vs Wheel dependent on round etc.) but I've qualified for GT Academy on; DS3, G25, Driving Force GT, G27.

Some other things that can have an effect on you;

Rest: I improve massively on a weekend when I haven't worked all day. I'm not sure what Immortals schedule is but I notice alot of his times are done early morning and I find myself that a clear fresh mind really gives a good opportunity.

Food & Drink: This has a big impact. I liked to drink a cup of tea (How british of me :P) before I start a session as I find it puts me in the right frame of mind. I also drink lots of water which also helps the mind. Something I have done in the past but I would not recommend this as they are very unhealthy for you is an energy drink with water. If you ever have an energy drink for this purpose (I don't recommend you do this) they require at least 2 pints of water for a normal sized can. Caffeine dehydrates you and requires water to work, so if you're dehydrated before you're even more so now which makes your performance drop and not increase. (Just to say, I do not recommend drinking energy drinks).

Breaks: Having a break always helps

Exercise: Exercise helps the mind, it may seem better to spend an extra hour on GT Academy but doing a bit of exercise, even if it's a 30 minute walk can freshen you up and make your mind feel better.

Finally something I don't like to say, but something that sort of has to be said to (Please take this in the way it's meant to be and not some insult to anybody on this forum and isn't meant for anyone in particular);

Some people aren't cut out for it, it's just pure and simple nature of the competition. We are all wired up differently in our minds. There's somethings in life I can't do and I find hard to do! I can try my best at them but I still wouldn't be anywhere near the best at them but if I have to do it or want to try it I do it and I try to enjoy it the best way I can. It's the same for GT Academy, not everyone will make it but enjoy it for what it is!

For me I love driving, even if it's the commute to work I love it and even on that I try improve my driving whether it be a no braking attempt (I enjoy these), fuel runs, practice heel & toe or whatever I love to do it. My instructor who taught me to drive said she'd never met anybody like myself as I instantly had a natural feel for driving. I learnt in 8 lessons, the average in the UK is 45 (I knew the average before I started so bought 20 but had 8 proper lessons and had to use the rest for experience). Again as I said some people are wired different, some people can't drive in real life and choose not to drive the principles are the same.

So ye, that post wasn't meant to be that long, but hey it's turned out like that. There's lots of different things you can do to try improve but it's all about testing and how you react, before, during and after the session.

If anyone does read ALL of this please take it with a pinch of salt as that's how I approach things, opinion on things, and solutions to them.

Best thing I can say is to just ENJOY GT Academy!
 
Hey Mate,

First of all I never really went from rank 50 to rank 1 in the UK as I sort of made my own competition when I went all out for the Redbull X2010 challenge on the Pad! (I still claim that I was the only person to do it on the DS3 before controller sensitivity :P! Gold that is). But back on track a little, that challenge helped me out MASSIVELY. Ye I knew I was still quick back then, but it was still on a pad. I then jumped onto GT Academy 2011 and used the pad and was always up there UK wise. Switching to a wheel during it again I improved pretty much straight away but that's just from knowledge I learnt playing the pad so I never really had the Rank 50 to Rank 1 (Or in my case Rank 3 as I've never finished rank 1 in the UK at the final round of GT Academy :P).

So to answer your question a little bit and I'll probably do a video on this at some point.

The thing is with any racing sim/game or actually any game what so ever is that you need a baseline, you need something to compare against. Now I'm naturally quite good at any game (I know that sounds big headed, but it's not the only game I've ranked highly in before). The way I initially approach something helps me a lot. First thing I'll do is just try something, experience it and try to learn as much as I can from it. So in this case if this was my first GT academy I'd be just trying to get round and do laps and figure out what I can do right and what I can do wrong. That isn't a baseline but what is, especially in GT Academys case is a lap time and being able to hit it consistently. Once I've hit my initial limit it's then time to look at a few replays and tips around the internet. Sometimes I think 'Wow, why didn't I think of that'. But in some cases you'll find that you are actually doing something similar and still not getting the gains that you expect or want (A lot of people fall in to this category). Also one thing to note with my first proper go at GT Academy is I made a spreadsheet and as I was a student did 4 1 hour sessions a day. I noted down each sector vs the best and always checked what I did different on a sector to identify how I could improve further.

So here's the point now you have to be able to do in order to improve....

TEST! Test, test, test, test, test! The thing is it's all very well and good people like myself and others explaining how to do something. Yes it will help give you a good idea but you have to test and push boundaries yourself and be consistent about it to. So if I say brake at this point and do this, try it. Then try something different, maybe brake a bit less or turn a bit more you have to push the boundaries. If you don't push the boundaries yourself you can't learn fully from it. I perhaps should upload a whole 1st session explaining my thought process as I do have some recorded so I might just do that!

That's a bit about the thought process about it anyway.

As for hardware! Hardware doesn't matter that much, yes it helps I mean I have a full setup now but going back to my first GT Academy I had a chair, controller and a 22" television that I played on. Nothing more than that, and still could go quick. I think the only reason I have a full setup still is because I like the ability not having to get my wheel out when it's already there I just press a button, sit down and play. One thing to note with hardware is the only time it will have any kind of effect is maybe 1 tenth or 2 right at the top (DS3 vs Wheel dependent on round etc.) but I've qualified for GT Academy on; DS3, G25, Driving Force GT, G27.

Some other things that can have an effect on you;

Rest: I improve massively on a weekend when I haven't worked all day. I'm not sure what Immortals schedule is but I notice alot of his times are done early morning and I find myself that a clear fresh mind really gives a good opportunity.

Food & Drink: This has a big impact. I liked to drink a cup of tea (How british of me :P) before I start a session as I find it puts me in the right frame of mind. I also drink lots of water which also helps the mind. Something I have done in the past but I would not recommend this as they are very unhealthy for you is an energy drink with water. If you ever have an energy drink for this purpose (I don't recommend you do this) they require at least 2 pints of water for a normal sized can. Caffeine dehydrates you and requires water to work, so if you're dehydrated before you're even more so now which makes your performance drop and not increase. (Just to say, I do not recommend drinking energy drinks).

Breaks: Having a break always helps

Exercise: Exercise helps the mind, it may seem better to spend an extra hour on GT Academy but doing a bit of exercise, even if it's a 30 minute walk can freshen you up and make your mind feel better.

Finally something I don't like to say, but something that sort of has to be said to (Please take this in the way it's meant to be and not some insult to anybody on this forum and isn't meant for anyone in particular);

Some people aren't cut out for it, it's just pure and simple nature of the competition. We are all wired up differently in our minds. There's somethings in life I can't do and I find hard to do! I can try my best at them but I still wouldn't be anywhere near the best at them but if I have to do it or want to try it I do it and I try to enjoy it the best way I can. It's the same for GT Academy, not everyone will make it but enjoy it for what it is!

For me I love driving, even if it's the commute to work I love it and even on that I try improve my driving whether it be a no braking attempt (I enjoy these), fuel runs, practice heel & toe or whatever I love to do it. My instructor who taught me to drive said she'd never met anybody like myself as I instantly had a natural feel for driving. I learnt in 8 lessons, the average in the UK is 45 (I knew the average before I started so bought 20 but had 8 proper lessons and had to use the rest for experience). Again as I said some people are wired different, some people can't drive in real life and choose not to drive the principles are the same.

So ye, that post wasn't meant to be that long, but hey it's turned out like that. There's lots of different things you can do to try improve but it's all about testing and how you react, before, during and after the session.

If anyone does read ALL of this please take it with a pinch of salt as that's how I approach things, opinion on things, and solutions to them.

Best thing I can say is to just ENJOY GT Academy!
Tea for you? Cafe to me...lol
 
Tea for you? Cafe to me...lol
Anyone else post better times after two full-strength beers...?
one thing I'd like to follow up from what Tidgney said about hardware, I played on a mates PS3, same wheel as mine, but his PS3 is plugged through a PC, and different LCD monitor to mine.

I found it very difficult at first to hit braking/ turn-in markers on tracks I know very well
then realised that the PC is putting too much latency into the video signal aswell as image processing on the Screen.

plugged direct into the panel, all video processing options turned off and it was fine again.
So do be careful that your video processing gear, HT Setups aren't interfering with the video chain and adding extra delay between your inputs and what you're seeing on the screen
 
Hey Mate,

First of all I never really went from rank 50 to rank 1 in the UK as I sort of made my own competition when I went all out for the Redbull X2010 challenge on the Pad! (I still claim that I was the only person to do it on the DS3 before controller sensitivity :P! Gold that is). But back on track a little, that challenge helped me out MASSIVELY. Ye I knew I was still quick back then, but it was still on a pad. I then jumped onto GT Academy 2011 and used the pad and was always up there UK wise. Switching to a wheel during it again I improved pretty much straight away but that's just from knowledge I learnt playing the pad so I never really had the Rank 50 to Rank 1 (Or in my case Rank 3 as I've never finished rank 1 in the UK at the final round of GT Academy :P).

So to answer your question a little bit and I'll probably do a video on this at some point.

The thing is with any racing sim/game or actually any game what so ever is that you need a baseline, you need something to compare against. Now I'm naturally quite good at any game (I know that sounds big headed, but it's not the only game I've ranked highly in before). The way I initially approach something helps me a lot. First thing I'll do is just try something, experience it and try to learn as much as I can from it. So in this case if this was my first GT academy I'd be just trying to get round and do laps and figure out what I can do right and what I can do wrong. That isn't a baseline but what is, especially in GT Academys case is a lap time and being able to hit it consistently. Once I've hit my initial limit it's then time to look at a few replays and tips around the internet. Sometimes I think 'Wow, why didn't I think of that'. But in some cases you'll find that you are actually doing something similar and still not getting the gains that you expect or want (A lot of people fall in to this category). Also one thing to note with my first proper go at GT Academy is I made a spreadsheet and as I was a student did 4 1 hour sessions a day. I noted down each sector vs the best and always checked what I did different on a sector to identify how I could improve further.

So here's the point now you have to be able to do in order to improve....

TEST! Test, test, test, test, test! The thing is it's all very well and good people like myself and others explaining how to do something. Yes it will help give you a good idea but you have to test and push boundaries yourself and be consistent about it to. So if I say brake at this point and do this, try it. Then try something different, maybe brake a bit less or turn a bit more you have to push the boundaries. If you don't push the boundaries yourself you can't learn fully from it. I perhaps should upload a whole 1st session explaining my thought process as I do have some recorded so I might just do that!

That's a bit about the thought process about it anyway.

As for hardware! Hardware doesn't matter that much, yes it helps I mean I have a full setup now but going back to my first GT Academy I had a chair, controller and a 22" television that I played on. Nothing more than that, and still could go quick. I think the only reason I have a full setup still is because I like the ability not having to get my wheel out when it's already there I just press a button, sit down and play. One thing to note with hardware is the only time it will have any kind of effect is maybe 1 tenth or 2 right at the top (DS3 vs Wheel dependent on round etc.) but I've qualified for GT Academy on; DS3, G25, Driving Force GT, G27.

Some other things that can have an effect on you;

Rest: I improve massively on a weekend when I haven't worked all day. I'm not sure what Immortals schedule is but I notice alot of his times are done early morning and I find myself that a clear fresh mind really gives a good opportunity.

Food & Drink: This has a big impact. I liked to drink a cup of tea (How british of me :P) before I start a session as I find it puts me in the right frame of mind. I also drink lots of water which also helps the mind. Something I have done in the past but I would not recommend this as they are very unhealthy for you is an energy drink with water. If you ever have an energy drink for this purpose (I don't recommend you do this) they require at least 2 pints of water for a normal sized can. Caffeine dehydrates you and requires water to work, so if you're dehydrated before you're even more so now which makes your performance drop and not increase. (Just to say, I do not recommend drinking energy drinks).

Breaks: Having a break always helps

Exercise: Exercise helps the mind, it may seem better to spend an extra hour on GT Academy but doing a bit of exercise, even if it's a 30 minute walk can freshen you up and make your mind feel better.

Finally something I don't like to say, but something that sort of has to be said to (Please take this in the way it's meant to be and not some insult to anybody on this forum and isn't meant for anyone in particular);

Some people aren't cut out for it, it's just pure and simple nature of the competition. We are all wired up differently in our minds. There's somethings in life I can't do and I find hard to do! I can try my best at them but I still wouldn't be anywhere near the best at them but if I have to do it or want to try it I do it and I try to enjoy it the best way I can. It's the same for GT Academy, not everyone will make it but enjoy it for what it is!

For me I love driving, even if it's the commute to work I love it and even on that I try improve my driving whether it be a no braking attempt (I enjoy these), fuel runs, practice heel & toe or whatever I love to do it. My instructor who taught me to drive said she'd never met anybody like myself as I instantly had a natural feel for driving. I learnt in 8 lessons, the average in the UK is 45 (I knew the average before I started so bought 20 but had 8 proper lessons and had to use the rest for experience). Again as I said some people are wired different, some people can't drive in real life and choose not to drive the principles are the same.

So ye, that post wasn't meant to be that long, but hey it's turned out like that. There's lots of different things you can do to try improve but it's all about testing and how you react, before, during and after the session.

If anyone does read ALL of this please take it with a pinch of salt as that's how I approach things, opinion on things, and solutions to them.

Best thing I can say is to just ENJOY GT Academy!
Thanks tidgney I'll take all this onboard and look to get more track time I only spend an hour a day at the most and that's not even every day. I'll be non stop for round 4 I just don't want to fall in to a habit of the wrong technique.

Look forward to your videos
 
Ok yesterday I managed to improve down to 07.529 (IIRC) and it was under a clear sky, I also did over 100km stint on cloudy sky and I couldn't help the feeling of having more grip under a clear sky... Funny thing is that car felt easier to drive under clouds, but I guess it's just bit more forgiving if there really is less grip :odd:

Really interesting... :boggled:
 
Well after a few days of frustration with not being able to beat 2:09.9, after watching @Tidgney's guide I got to a 2:08.8 after 10 laps! I'm aiming for a sub-'08 by Tuesday, it's all about putting it all together in one lap, which is my only issue at the moment.

What has surprised me most, however, is how much I've improved since last year's GTA. I think my highest ranking in any round last year was 3000 at best. It was my first ever time using a wheel so I could be forgiven for being slightly crap, but then again I haven't used it at all until the start of this year's GTA. So what is the difference? I haven't practiced throughout the year (having a 10 year old and planning a wedding doesn't allow for much free time!) but I think the difference compared to last year is that I'm actually taking it seriously. Until now I just presumed I was nowhere near the level of the top guys, but at the end of the day, it's just a game! I've been playing racing games ever since Microprose's F1 Grand Prix on the Amiga, and have been good at pretty much every racing game I've played. It's just finding the time to practice day in, day out. I wish that I was six years younger so I can put the hours in that I used to when I was playing F1 games for 9 hours. Oh to dream!

If anything, I'm using this year's GTA as a springboard for next year's event. Considering how much I've improved from last year, I'm confident that if I practice throughout the year rather than just digging the wheel out when GTA begins, I can do even better. Unless I luck into a top 4 position in Round 4 this year, of course!
 
Ok sky was clear but I think my mind was quite foggy :D first I managed to do this
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But luckily awhile after that I had some sort of cramp in my spine and I was a tenth ahead of that ghost coming to bus stop and even managed to improve
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:lol: :lol: Yeah... funny game :lol: I think I'll go grab couple of beers :D
 
Yea, funny game indeed. Its just too bad that PD can't get crap right beings there is so much on the line here. Like I said before, I don't think there is any correlation between the cloud cover and the grip level. In all honesty, I think the grip level is just random and has nothing to do with cloud cover. From what I have seen so far, there are 3 levels of cloud cover: clear, partly cloudy, and mostly cloudy....non of which has anything to do with grip imo. Most, if not all, of my improvements has come under the partly cloudy sky. If this was true to how things are in real life, the grip level would be better the more cloud cover there is. Under clear skies, assuming the temp corresponds with the clear skies, the track will be more slippier than it would with lower temps and cloud cover, when it would have the best grip. I have not seen these events follow that at all. I just think the grip levels have to do with something else. Perhaps just a glitch, programming error, or who really knows what. It is a complete cluster 🤬 though if you ask me.
 
ODB
Ok yesterday I managed to improve down to 07.529 (IIRC) and it was under a clear sky, I also did over 100km stint on cloudy sky and I couldn't help the feeling of having more grip under a clear sky... Funny thing is that car felt easier to drive under clouds, but I guess it's just bit more forgiving if there really is less grip :odd:

Really interesting... :boggled:
Best I can explain is that the Zytek has a lot of downforce. Therefore, track grip would have less of an impact than say, the GT-R from Round 1. Consequently, at least for me, I try to miminimize my steering angles because with the downforce and lack of serious power, it's more about maintaining momentum. In the sun, that's not too hard. With the clouds, I found myself leaning more on the tires. It felt fast and in some cases, felt easier but my overall time was slower.
 
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Like I said before, I don't think there is any correlation between the cloud cover and the grip level. In all honesty, I think the grip level is just random and has nothing to do with cloud cover. From what I have seen so far, there are 3 levels of cloud cover: clear, partly cloudy, and mostly cloudy....non of which has anything to do with grip imo.

For me, I accept what you're saying. When I was highlighting the difference in Sun glare, either there or not, I was trying, not very well, to support you're grip theory by highlighting other random changes, not to necessarily say grip changes with the weather. As I pointed out, at times I can hardly see the apex to left before Blanchimont and at others ok, I honestly cannot say if grip is in relation to this.
But I scraped Gold so I'm happy now.
 
For me, I accept what you're saying. When I was highlighting the difference in Sun glare, either there or not, I was trying, not very well, to support you're grip theory by highlighting other random changes, not to necessarily say grip changes with the weather. As I pointed out, at times I can hardly see the apex to left before Blanchimont and at others ok, I honestly cannot say if grip is in relation to this.
But I scraped Gold so I'm happy now.



I completely understand. 👍 I'm not saying I'm correct with my theories either, just trying to give some feedback from my experiences. I mean, who really knows what exactly is going on here. :boggled: Like I said, its really one big mess as far as I'm concerned and is completely inexcusable beings this is such an important competition. I just hope the final round doesn't have the same type of behavior.
 
In the sun, that's not too hard. With the clouds, I found myself leaning more on the tires. It felt fast and in some cases, felt easier but my overall time was slower.

Yeah, unlucky I didn't have any clouds today, but yesterday after I did well over 100km on clouds and restarted then it just seemed quite obvious that I was suddenly going too slow in the corners and loosing speed...

But yeah, seems like today I had no issues, straight from first time I entered it grip was there... Only thing is that I still kept missing the driving line all the time and messing up, especially the "bust bend" (lol :D) gave me tons of failures already... I could almost say that the "good thing" was that I actually messed up couple laps all the way down on the actual bus stop :lol:

But yeah, lets just hope that this whole grip nonsense is gone by the last round :cheers:
 
I completely understand. 👍 I'm not saying I'm correct with my theories either, just trying to give some feedback from my experiences. I mean, who really knows what exactly is going on here. :boggled: Like I said, its really one big mess as far as I'm concerned and is completely inexcusable beings this is such an important competition. I just hope the final round doesn't have the same type of behavior.
Hopefully with final round update they will sneek it in there. They must be trying to hide this huge mistake.
 
For round 3.

The Lovesong of E. Au Rouge
(Or, Let's do it in da da street)

Au Rouge
Rau Eouge
Eau Rush
Le Rogge
Rue Auch
Eau Gauge
La Rage
Ure Gaoue
Ear Uugde
Eau Reugd
Eau Rouge
...
Les Combust!



(For those about to struggle... FIRE!)
 
Yea, funny game indeed. Its just too bad that PD can't get crap right beings there is so much on the line here. Like I said before, I don't think there is any correlation between the cloud cover and the grip level. In all honesty, I think the grip level is just random and has nothing to do with cloud cover. From what I have seen so far, there are 3 levels of cloud cover: clear, partly cloudy, and mostly cloudy....non of which has anything to do with grip imo. Most, if not all, of my improvements has come under the partly cloudy sky. If this was true to how things are in real life, the grip level would be better the more cloud cover there is. Under clear skies, assuming the temp corresponds with the clear skies, the track will be more slippier than it would with lower temps and cloud cover, when it would have the best grip. I have not seen these events follow that at all. I just think the grip levels have to do with something else. Perhaps just a glitch, programming error, or who really knows what. It is a complete cluster 🤬 though if you ask me.
Glad to here I am not crazy. I was seeing two different cloud covers and sunny. Thought I was tripping out over the different cloud cover. I also believe that it's random and sky makes no difference.
 

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