2016 Formula 1 Gran Premio Heineken d'ItaliaFormula 1

[Samus]

Short one as well, usually done within an hour and 20.

 

[dingodile_r89]

Like any rule in F1 the teams will try and use it to their advantage. The stewards have to make sure it's not being abused.

I definitely think the rules should have all loopholes plugged and be very consistent, to start with.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I definitely think the rules should have all loopholes plugged and be very consistent, to start with.

It'd be nice, I tend to wonder if they purposely keep some loop holes for drama, or if F1 engineers and operators are just that brilliant.

 

[PzR Slim]

I definitely think the rules should have all loopholes plugged and be very consistent, to start with.

Problem is some of the guys involved with the teams are uber clever and in some instances are much more clever than the rule makers

 

[Famine]

Well with the chance of a boring race, it looks like (knock on wood) we may get a thread with out the angst, I mean the last few posts have given me hope. 👍

Hamilton's fault.

 

[Carbonox]

Max is atm on course to become the most disliked driver on the grid with comments like that. You might expect comments like that from internet trolls, not a F1 driver surrounded by a big PR team. 18 years or not, that's just bad bad form.

I was a big fan of his, but now his antics are definitely making me think he would benefit from a season or two in the lower formulas.

More like a year or two - or preferably 25 - in retirement from motorsports.

 

[Peter.]

From a standpoint purely based on the entertainment the race offers, would we really miss out on much without Monza? I mean before the turbo era of Mercedes wins lol, it wasnt ever particularly entertaining unless it was wet.

I know it's an old fashioned track with a lot of history, and is usually a change from the normal pattern of results with the less aero efficient cars getting into the fray more( though these days the only difference is the increase in the gap Mercedes have on the rest), but it would be nice for a little change of scenery. I'd love it if Imola came back, if even just to see what it would be like now for racing.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Imola had an ELMS race recently and it looked really cool. I'd love to have F1 back there if just to see a wider variety of turns. This straight then chicane business is boring.

 

[dingodile_r89]

From a standpoint purely based on the entertainment the race offers, would we really miss out on much without Monza? I mean before the turbo era of Mercedes wins lol, it wasnt ever particularly entertaining unless it was wet.

I know it's an old fashioned track with a lot of history, and is usually a change from the normal pattern of results with the less aero efficient cars getting into the fray more( though these days the only difference is the increase in the gap Mercedes have on the rest), but it would be nice for a little change of scenery. I'd love it if Imola came back, if even just to see what it would be like now for racing.

Imola, Turkey, India. Kyalami and Zandvoort would also be nice.

 

[PeterJB]

Hamilton's fault.

Literally.

 

[Samus]

I definitely think the rules should have all loopholes plugged and be very consistent, to start with.

Loopholes have been in the regs since the day they were first printed, it's a part of F1 really and where a lot of innovation comes from nowadays. You'll always have loopholes, even 1000 page legal agreements that try to cover everything can have loopholes.

 

[dingodile_r89]

Loopholes have been in the regs since the day they were first printed, it's a part of F1 really and where a lot of innovation comes from nowadays. You'll always have loopholes, even 1000 page legal agreements that try to cover everything can have loopholes.

I mean really daft ones like the one Mercedes and Hamilton used. Can't have been that hard to imagine that scenario.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I mean really daft ones like the one Mercedes and Hamilton used. Can't have been that hard to imagine that scenario.

Clearly it was, and I don't see how it's daft. It's not the drivers fault as well. It's like those who blamed Vettel instead of RBR for the loop holes during the Vettel era.

 

[dingodile_r89]

Clearly it was, and I don't see how it's daft. It's not the drivers fault as well. It's like those who blamed Vettel instead of RBR for the loop holes during the Vettel era.

That's why I put Mercedes first. I think instead of driver penalties, something like constructor penalties should be imposed for this sort of thing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's why I put Mercedes first. I think instead of driver penalties, something like constructor penalties should be imposed for this sort of thing.

Okay which is fine, but only if they break the rules, they're is literally nothing wrong with pushing rule boundaries. People get huffed because it seems in poor spirit of the rules, but until the FIA deems it wrong it's just clever people being clever. Now if this was something worth being punished because rules were broken, or perhaps having to use new engines meant sacrificing 10 points per, then I'm sure Merc would have rethought it.

 

[dingodile_r89]

I just feel it's a little unfair, that's all. It's an emotional position than intellectual, but that's how it is. I like my racing a little more... gentlemanly.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Oh hey, Jenson Button is taking a back seat role next year and Vandoorne is taking his seat.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I just feel it's a little unfair, that's all. It's an emotional position than intellectual, but that's how it is. I like my racing a little more... gentlemanly.

Then you must've hated F1 since...the 60s? I mean not to be rude it's just a confusing take is all, since this is how racing has been across the globe for decades now. I can understand how it leaves a bitter taste to some though.

 

[Roo]

Reminds me of when Williams ran this decal in practice for the 2001 San Marino GP, having been run into the back of on 4 occasions in the first 3 races of that season:

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If it's deemed a safety concern it doesn't only affect one driver but every single person at the event. It would be negligent to not allow the change in such a situation.

When the Red Bulls deliberately ran camber setting outside Pirelli's recommendations and damaged their tyres at Spa a few years ago, they lobbied to be allowed to change them. The FIA said no, and told them that if it was a concern

 

[RazorSharkz]

I mean, why not do a grid penalty for changing tires. 3-5 places seems fair and possibly worth the risk at times.

 

[mustafur]

If you damage your tyres with a flat spot you should get a penalty if you have to change them the driver made an error, if the Tyre failed then that is different story though.

 

[BrainsBush]

Meanwhile, it seems that Verstappen replied to Villeneuve saying: "Villeneuve should moderate his words when he says I could kill someone, since he killed a person in Melbourne in 2001"
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/stor...acques-villeneuve-2001-australia-crash-090216

If true, it's another example of Verstappen's immaturity.

This morning (CET) both Max and the reporter stated that he was quoted incorrectly....from now on hopefully the rivalry will take place on the circuit and not via the press mosquitoes.

Predictions for today: obviously 1&2 MERC, 3 a Ferrari (VET?), 4-8 that's where the race takes place. 4 RIC, 5 RAI, 6 VES.

I played a couple of hours F1 Monza and every start a yellow flag in Varriante Del Rettifilio.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

So what did he meant to say lol ? What did he said exactly. Because I have trouble to see how could have this been misquoted. This is just PR bs because the Verstappen family realized Max said something really stupid that even his fan had trouble with.

As for my prediction, Hamilton - Rosberg - Bottas.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

If you damage your tyres with a flat spot you should get a penalty if you have to change them the driver made an error, if the Tyre failed then that is different story though.

Only issue with that is some drivers will say the tyre is ok rather than take the penalty. Then a couple of laps in the tyre will go bang and could cause a huge accident.

It's a silly rule anyway, there's a mandatory compound change in the rules and a limit on how many tyres you can use per weekend, what's the point in not being able to choose the tyre you start the race on?

 

[Famine]

So what did he meant to say lol ? What did he said exactly. Because I have trouble to see how could have this been misquoted.

It seems to hover around a Dutch word with no direct English translation. Transcript is below:

Villeneuve zegt dat je beschermd wordt.
Villeneuve says you get protection.

Maar hij moet een beetje oppassen met zijn uitspraken over dat iemand doodgaat want hij heeft zelf iemand doodgereden. Dus hij moet gewoon even rustig doen.
But he has to watch his words a little with his statements about that someone will die because he himself 'drove someone to death' . So he just needs to calm down for a bit.

Daar erger je dus aan, daar wind je je wel over op.
So this bothers you, this does wind you up.

Nee, uiteindelijk niet maar hij moet gewoon wel even naar zichzelf kijken naar wat hij in zijn carrière heeft gedaan. Ik vind het niet respectvol naar de familie toe van de persoon die overleden is.
In the end, no, but he just needs to take a look at himself, to what he has done in his career. I find it disrespectful towards the family of the person who died.

"Doodgereden" seems to be simply made of "dood" (death) and "gereden" (driven). Some sites translated that as "has killed someone".

In either case though, Verstappen might have missed the point of his own example, which was that Villeneuve's crash occurred in exactly the same situation - two cars following each other at a high speed part of the track - that Verstappen is being berated for demonstrating unpredictable behaviour...

 

[Milouse]

That will be interesting to hear the live Villeneuve racing comments today on Canal +.

My today's race expectation: Raikonnen Vs Verstappen - Round 3.

 

[PzR Slim]

Incredible look at why Hamilton was quicker than Rosberg in quali at the Skypad on SkyF1. Just brakes less carries more speed and gets on the throttle quicker. His max G through the final chican was double that of Rosberg. Fascinating insight.

 

[Robin]

Sebastian Coe - "I don't claim to be an F1 expert"

Steve Jones - "Neither does Eddie"

 

[Diehardracer]

The deal with Channel 4 here in the UK to show F1 on terrestrial TV will end in a few years. Is there anywhere I will be able to watch it? I don't have Skysports F1.