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The question is really, Rosberg may have had brake issues. But that doesn't stop him from turning in and avoiding his teammate.

If your car is about to die you don't try and defend, you possibly want to get out of the way to avoid an accident and a penalty.
 
Woah, that was a great race with many nice battles midfield and at the front with an unfortunate last round...

And yet again Nico proves what I said last race already, he just doesn't have it, I was really rooting for him that last few rounds to prove me wrong, but, nope.
Maybe he couldn't have won, but the could have gotten a pretty safe 2nd place and yes, my first thought was "why the heck does Hamilton turn into him" but on the replay you clearly see Rosberg just doesn't want to turn in, brake problems, ok, but you surely could at least attempt to turn in? No? Sigh.

Poor guy though, he'd basically deserve a championship for all the fighting he's done so far, but I don't think Hamilton is anywhere near to allow that, he's just so much more "race driver" than Rosberg.

Great race otherwise though, I really love that track, kinda reminds me of Zaanford with all those ups and downs.

Also Verstappen is really cool - wouldn't surprise me if he's next year's champion to be honest, he seems to have everything a driver needs for that (even a great car, obviously)!
 
Samus
Of course he had somewhere to go, the same line he was already on, around the outside of the corner. It is obviously a slow line, and it probably wouldn't have worked but at worst he'd be still alongside going into the next turn, he wasn't to know there was no opportunity to pass there because of yellows.

Hamilton didn't have to yield. If he wants to drive along a slow line around the outside that is his choice. It's still up to Rosberg to respect that line and not drive into him. Rosberg's fault, end of. The only way that could ever be Hamilton's fault is if there was a rule saying he wasn't allowed to drive where he did. There isn't.
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It most likely would have worked, Hamilton would have probably been slightly ahead on exit with better traction and DRS, which Rosberg knew. As soon as Hamilton was ahead there was no way Rosberg could really defend with his brakes in the state they were.
 
Samus
Of course he had somewhere to go, the same line he was already on, around the outside of the corner. It is obviously a slow line, and it probably wouldn't have worked but at worst he'd be still alongside going into the next turn
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Show me a single instance of where that pass has worked - where an attacking driver on the outside going into the corner has stayed on the outside all the way through the corner and gained the position in the way you describe. I have never seen it happen, simply because the defending driver can block. After all, Rosberg was still inside the white line coming out of the corner.

Famine
Clearly not after the edge of the track because that would be exceeding track limits...
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And that's the point - there was no way for Hamilton to make the move work. Not unless he could magically drive around Rosberg. Every pass from the outside line calls for the attacking driver to duck in under the defending driver. You start on the left hand side and come out on the right. It works because it calls for the defending driver to run deep into the corner and come out on the left hand side of the track.

Don't forget that Rosberg still made the corner - he was inside the white line on the exit. That's where the "Rosberg didn't even try" argument falls apart. Of course he turned in late; the defensive line starting from the inside calls for it.
 
prisonermonkeys
And that's the point - there was no way for Hamilton to make the move work. Not unless he could magically drive around Rosberg. Every pass from the outside line calls for the attacking driver to duck in under the defending driver.
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You've been watching F1 for how long and never seen a driver send one clean around the outside of another?

Good lord.
 
prisonermonkeys
Show me a single instance of where that pass has worked - where an attacking driver on the outside going into the corner has stayed on the outside all the way through the corner and gained the position in the way you describe. I have never seen it happen, simply because the defending driver can block. After all, Rosberg was still inside the white line coming out of the corner.


And that's the point - there was no way for Hamilton to make the move work. Not unless he could magically drive around Rosberg. Every pass from the outside line calls for the attacking driver to duck in under the defending driver. You start on the left hand side and come out on the right. It works because it calls for the defending driver to run deep into the corner and come out on the left hand side of the track.

Don't forget that Rosberg still made the corner - he was inside the white line on the exit. That's where the "Rosberg didn't even try" argument falls apart. Of course he turned in late; the defensive line starting from the inside calls for it.
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
prisonermonkeys
Show me a single instance of where that pass has worked - where an attacking driver on the outside going into the corner has stayed on the outside all the way through the corner and gained the position in the way you describe. I have never seen it happen, simply because the defending driver can block. After all, Rosberg was still inside the white line coming out of the corner.


And that's the point - there was no way for Hamilton to make the move work. Not unless he could magically drive around Rosberg. Every pass from the outside line calls for the attacking driver to duck in under the defending driver. You start on the left hand side and come out on the right. It works because it calls for the defending driver to run deep into the corner and come out on the left hand side of the track.

Don't forget that Rosberg still made the corner - he was inside the white line on the exit. That's where the "Rosberg didn't even try" argument falls apart. Of course he turned in late; the defensive line starting from the inside calls for it.
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Whether the move would've worked or not is irrelevant, he was perfectly entitled to try it. Or do you even disagree with that? He is not at fault for attempting an overtaking move whilst driving entirely on the race track in a legal manner, no matter how unlikely it is.

So do tell us again why Hamilton was at fault for their collision because he attempted an unlikely overtaking manoeuvre. Then maybe you can contact the FIA who will add it to their rulebook "No driver may attempt a legal overtaking manoeuvre if it's 'probably never going to work'".
 
Just because the overtaking maneuver is difficult to pull off doesn't mean the defending driver has the right to run them off of the track.

To blame the overtaking driver for the antics of the defender is beyond me... wow.
 
Here is the direct version of Ant Davidson's analysis.



As far as I can see there were two outcomes by the time they're mid corner. Either the outcome we came to, Rosberg hits Hamilton, or Hamilton is forced off the track a la Schumacher many moons ago:



Also note that Montoya does at least attempt to head for the apex there, he just understeers straight on with too much speed. Either way, neither Hamilton nor Schumi are the ones at fault.
 
The Anthony Davidson analysis posted a few posts above by @Samus is very telling, braking problems or not Rosberg never looked likely to make the corner. With a car ahead of him (whoever it was) that was always going to be a collision. If he'd taken the corner as he normally does I actually think he might have held position.
 
Rosberg just again proves he hasn't got any balls to compete with that selfish bloke Hammilton.
If Rosberg doesn't get any Rambo-Milk for breakfast (wich it doesn't look like at all), I'm 99,9% sure who's going to win the championship again... *yawn*
 
So when exactly did Rosberg develop that apparent braking issue? If they're saying it was before T1, then Rosberg should've missed that apex and gone off at the exit. Instead, he actually went too deep into the apex and hit the rumbles there. That's the main reason why Hamilton got the run on him into T2 in the first place.

A part of me wants Rosberg to win a drivers championship and I was ready to say that this race was an indication that he may finally have the skill and requisite luck needed to do it this year. Then I see what unfolded at T2, specifically how late he turned his wheel. It's difficult for me to believe that was anything but Rosberg trying to be overly aggressive and doing a terrible job at it. I almost want to say it's a "I'm going to do to Hamilton what he does to me" type of deal. Whatever the case, not a smart move because it cost him two spots and maybe even the championship lead if he gets disqualified.

Now, as for everything else about the race:

- 2nd for Max. Good job. Thought for a moment that staying out would've paid off with a victory.
- For whatever reason, I doubt today's result will affect Kimi's status with Ferrari either way.
- Not a good day to be a Nico. From 2nd to a DNF for Hulkenburg.
- Button turned his great starting spot to a solid 6th. He seemed quite happy about it afterwards.
- Almost a double points day for HAAS. Remarkable that such a statement could be made this season and not be a joke.
- A shame that all this Mercedes drama overshadows the fact that Wherlein scored points for Manor.
 
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Tried uploading a video showing Rosberg going around the outside of Hulkenburg on L6 T2 but it got copyright striked annoyingly.
 
IforceV8
Wrist lightly slapped.

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Probably fair to be honest, it's about what he would get in-race. Just happens that is has no effect but same with any in-race penalty, they can't give them more just because it has no effect.

Although of course it's utter madness because it wasn't even his fault.
 
All Hamilton has to do in his life right now (and for the last 2 seasons) is beat Nico, he must go home with such massive smile on his face as he's basically racing against one man and that man is Nico.... Has any racing driver got an easier time of it currently in Motorsport?
 
Spurgy 777
Tried uploading a video showing Rosberg going around the outside of Hulkenburg on L6 T2 but it got copyright striked annoyingly.
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Exactly the same move Hamilton tried to pull with a small diference, Hulkenburg tried to turn in and indeed did turn in and was overtaken. The move was really a carbon copy of this one... lets hope Rosberg watches it and maybe realises that he was a prick.


But in the end it was beautifull poetic justice.
 
What's the penalty in F1 for overtaking under yellow flags??? And why is Lewis Hamilton exempt from the punishment?
 

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