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[Samus]

All Hamilton has to do in his life right now (and for the last 2 seasons) is beat Nico, he must go home with such massive smile on his face as he's basically racing against one man and that man is Nico.... Has any racing driver got an easier time of it currently in Motorsport?

Are you new to F1 or something?

Anyway, full reports:

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[Spurgy 777]

Exactly the same move Hamilton tried to pull with a small diference, Hulkenburg tried to turn in and indeed did turn in and was overtaken. The move was really a carbon copy of this one... lets hope Rosberg watches it and maybe realises that he was a prick.


But in the end it was beautifull poetic justice.

That, and Hulkenburg didn't brake way too late.

 

[PzR Slim]

What's the penalty in F1 for overtaking under yellow flags??? And why is Lewis Hamilton exempt from the punishment?

The flag in question came out a split second before the overtake and on top of that the rules allow for a car which is significantly slower to be overtaken under yellow flags. Want to try and pin Zika on him as well?

 

[TDZdave]

The flag in question came out a split second before the overtake and on top of that the rules allow for a car which is significantly slower to be overtaken under yellow flags. Want to try and pin Zika on him as well?

The flag was out in that sector before they made contact.... It was televised.....

 

[Samus]

What's the penalty in F1 for overtaking under yellow flags??? And why is Lewis Hamilton exempt from the punishment?

What we see on screen, and what you've shown there, is a simplification of the system. When we see on screen a yellow in sector 2 that does not mean the entire sector is actually under yellows. It's just giving us a general idea of the location, the track actually has many more sections and the one Hamilton passed under was BARELY under yellows, he flies past the split second that the flag is flown but before the next one that he can clearly see.

Plus it is probably moot since the FIA determined Rosberg to be badly damaged and you can pass a car moving slowly under any circumstance.

 

[Chris123]

Show me a single instance of where that pass has worked - where an attacking driver on the outside going into the corner has stayed on the outside all the way through the corner and gained the position in the way you describe.

You might want to check out Rosbergs move on Hulkenberg early on in the race.

 

[PzR Slim]

The flag was out in that sector before they made contact.... It was televised.....

Ant Davison provided video evidence of the marshall post that Hamilton drove past. The flag was hung out a split second before he passed it. I guess you ignored the second reason? How about the plague, Hamilton guilty for that as well?

 

[Samus]

The flag was out in that sector before they made contact.... It was televised.....

As I say, the whole of sector 2 was not under yellows, only the specific area of the track with the problem, namely turn 3. That is just a simple illustration for our benefit because we know what the three sectors roughly are from the timing, rather than saying 'sector 14', 'sector 20 & 21' etc and not having an idea where it is.

Here is an illustration from the Jules Bianchi accident to show how only a small section of the track is placed under yellows whereas on our TV it would just say "Sector 2"

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Are you new to F1 or something?

Anyway, full reports:

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Are these real ? Doesn't seem like an official document.

 

[TDZdave]

What we see on screen, and what you've shown there, is a simplification of the system. When we see on screen a yellow in sector 2 that does not mean the entire sector is actually under yellows. It's just giving us a general idea of the location, the track actually has many more sections and the one Hamilton passed under was BARELY under yellows, he flies past the split second that the flag is flown but before the next one that he can clearly see.

Plus it is probably moot since the FIA determined Rosberg to be badly damaged and you can pass a car moving slowly under any circumstance.

fair game on point #2, there's nothing worse then seeing cars get stuck behind a slow moving car because someone has run out of fuel or got a puncture in a slow zone,

I will defend the rules of a section of circuit under yellow because most marshals are volunteers and nothing is worth risking injury or life,

 

[Samus]

Are these real ? Doesn't seem like an official document.

Yes of course they are, I just cropped them.

http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2016/event-timing-information

I will defend the rules of a section of circuit under yellow because most marshals are volunteers and nothing is worth risking injury or life,

Not sure what you're saying, Hamilton did respect the flags. His overtake was complete by the time he got to the first yellow flag it's conceivable he absolutely saw, that being the electronic board on the left at the entry to 3.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I will defend the rules of a section of circuit under yellow because most marshals are volunteers and nothing is worth risking injury or life,

Nobody broke them though. Hamilton visibly slowed (and demonstrably so) and only passed a car that was much slower due to damage.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Congrats to Button! And Raikkonen!

... and Rosberg. /slowclap

* And Verstappen!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I wonder how long Toto and Niki will let both race each other like this. Mercedes lost already a lot of points this season because of stuff like that.

They could let this happen a couple more times and still be ahead, they're WCC is quite safe.

 

[Lizard]

They could let this happen a couple more times and still be ahead, they're WCC is quite safe.

Yeh but it costs the company money all these crashes.

 

[Touring Mars]

Just saw the C4 highlights - DC said that if Rosberg could hold on to win then his drive today would be one of a champion... I think Nico has just proved why he isn't one.

 

[axletramp]

The whole incident reminded me of Schumacher's equally deliberate move on Villeneuve in 1997. It didn't work for Schumacher and it didn't work here.

That's where the comparison ends though.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeh but it costs the company money all these crashes.

In what way?

 

[Tired Tyres]

Just seen the C4 highlights and anyone who thinks that was anyone other that rosberg's fault, is either A. Rosberg, B. A member of Rosberg's family, C. A blind person, D. Someone who can't tell their left from right or E. You know who.

 

[TenEightyOne]

In what way?

They have to pay to make new bits that weren't necessarily due for replacement?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

You've been watching F1 for how long and never seen a driver send one clean around the outside of another?

Not in that corner. I have made that pretty clear from the outset.

None of which are the corner in question.

Whether the move would've worked or not is irrelevant, he was perfectly entitled to try it. Or do you even disagree with that? He is not at fault for attempting an overtaking move whilst driving entirely on the race track in a legal manner, no matter how unlikely it is.

This is the third time this year that Hamilton has attempted a move like this - Spain and Canada being the other examples - where his car positioning has resulted in some kind of incident with Rosberg. Apparently we're all expected to believe that a three-time World Champion cannot foresee the likelihood of contact in any of them.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Looks like I missed a great race, championship heating up now, stupid by Rosberg though (if it wasn't car related anyway). Next GPs will favor Lewis so championship is hotting up.

 

[PzR Slim]

Not in that corner. I have made that pretty clear from the outset.


None of which are the corner in question.


This is the third time this year that Hamilton has attempted a move like this - Spain and Canada being the other examples - where his car positioning has resulted in some kind of incident with Rosberg. Apparently we're all expected to believe that a three-time World Champion cannot foresee the likelihood of contact in any of them.

You dislike Hamilton, I think we can all see that. Your perfectly entitled to dislike him, many people do. However, when you let that dislike cloud your judgement you end up looking like a fool.

 

[Siggers]

If Rosberg just turned into the apex like normal, Hamilton would have had the speed advantage from the undercut and DRS down onto the inside line on the straight, but he wouldn't have been able to overtake into the next corner anyway because of the flags. So Rosberg would have still probably gone on to win.

Not a Hamilton fan, but Nico has to take responsibility for his balls up.

 

[Samus]

Not in that corner. I have made that pretty clear from the outset.


None of which are the corner in question.


This is the third time this year that Hamilton has attempted a move like this - Spain and Canada being the other examples - where his car positioning has resulted in some kind of incident with Rosberg. Apparently we're all expected to believe that a three-time World Champion cannot foresee the likelihood of contact in any of them.

There was nothing wrong with his positioning today, the only person who caused the contact was Rosberg. You can come up with as many reasons as you like for why YOU dont think he should have been there, fact is he was perfectly entitled to do so in the rulebook and was at zero fault for the collision. You have nothing to say otherwise except "overtaking on the outside is hard" and "he should have expected Rosberg to defend", as if that makes it his fault.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Not in that corner. I have made that pretty clear from the outset.


None of which are the corner in question.


This is the third time this year that Hamilton has attempted a move like this - Spain and Canada being the other examples - where his car positioning has resulted in some kind of incident with Rosberg. Apparently we're all expected to believe that a three-time World Champion cannot foresee the likelihood of contact in any of them.

Rosberg passed Verstappen in the very early laps in exactly the same way Hamilton did in the same corner. The difference? Verstappen took the APEX.

 

[Furinkazen]

Not in that corner. I have made that pretty clear from the outset.


None of which are the corner in question.


This is the third time this year that Hamilton has attempted a move like this - Spain and Canada being the other examples - where his car positioning has resulted in some kind of incident with Rosberg. Apparently we're all expected to believe that a three-time World Champion cannot foresee the likelihood of contact in any of them.

So it''s Hamiltons fault Rosberg ran himself out wide? Lewis would have been exceeding track limits otherwise. You seriously need to start to watch motor racing.

 

[Brend]

Hamilton races to win, he takes chances like today and Rosberg knew it hence the brash, poor, attempt at stopping him. There's no way Rosberg being a 'world class' racing driver would wait that late to start a turn in.

Hamilton takes risks and sometimes causes problems but in this situation Nico absolutely buggered it. I can't imagine how it can be seen any other way.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The difference? Verstappen took the APEX.

If being on the outside and expecting that the car you're trying to pass somehow won't be there when you turn in is a legitimate move, then so too is deliberately diving deep into the corner to force your opponent to back out or run wide.

Lewis would have been exceeding track limits otherwise.

What do you think Rosberg was trying to do? The whole point in running deep into the corner was to put Hamilton in a position where he couldn't stay on the circuit and complete the pass.

 

[Furinkazen]

What do you think Rosberg was trying to do? The whole point in running deep into the corner was to put Hamilton in a position where he couldn't stay on the circuit and complete the pass.

By running someone off the road? Lewis didn't go off track so didn't exceed track limits and didn't therefore gain an advantage. Nico could have taken a standard racing line, got a nice exit and if Lewis was alongside somehow on exit still have inside for T3.