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[DesertPenguin09]

You're missing the point. I can't reason with you, sorry

 

[prisonermonkeys]

You're missing the point.

Not at all. Setting a quick lap time does require drivers to push as hard as possible, but that does not - and should not - give them carte blanche to abuse the track limits. Any lap time set by running wide should be automatically invalid.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I'm not giving them an excuse. I'm saying **** happens and when it does, it shouldn't break the damn suspension. Yes, there should be some punishment but something is wrong with those kerbs if so many cars were broken by it.

And the lap time will be invalidated. We already know this. Same for Silverstone next round with going wide at the last turn.

 

[mustafur]

Drivers go wide all the time and keep their lap times, just the FIA decides which tracks it will bother to target.

 

[GTPorsche]

Should remove sausage curbs and replace with spike strips. That'll stop'em.

 

[NW48]

I'm not giving them an excuse. I'm saying **** happens and when it does, it shouldn't break the damn suspension. Yes, there should be some punishment but something is wrong with those kerbs if so many cars were broken by it.

So when "🤬 happens" at Monaco and someone hits a wall and breaks the suspension (ala Verstappen during Monaco Qualy), that's an unfair punishment and the wall should be removed?

In Kyvat's case, he was off the track (as in 4 wheels off the track) before he hit the sausage kerb, so by that logic, if Kyvat went off on the grass and damaged his car, should we remove the grass?

 

[dopedog]

I didn't see practice or qualifying if he crashed today, so I don't know what he did.

Drivers complaining about curb features that they shouldn't even be driving on in the first place is silly enough.

Follow that to its natural conclusion and you could ask why bother with the tyre barriers and air fences, I mean the drivers shouldn't be going off track yes?

Fact is, though people in this thread just love to argue, if a car goes off track its far better for it to be able to lose time but continue on. Having cars break into bits in pointless and even more pointless in practice as they are pushing boundaries.
People are watching and if a driver gets unfair advantage they will be penalised. Simple.

 

[GTPorsche]

There's a difference between going off the racing surface out of control and going off the racing surface under your own volition.

Let's not combine them.

 

[dopedog]

There's a difference between going off the racing surface out of control and going off the racing surface under your own volition.

Let's not combine them.

But I did combine them. Lets imagine the fans darling Jenson Button finds himself in a podium position today, he runs 55 faultless laps, as he gets into lap 56 he on fading tyres goes slightly over onto the yellow speed bumps, BOOM, rear links snap and sends him spinning into barriers like Kyvat did.... its over.

Would that be a fair end to a race?

Add to that this is F1, all the teams will do is just fit special parts on so they can run over strips next year anyway.
Its pointless, it looks daft and most drivers getting that far onto outside of track are naturally going to lose time anyway or at least if not its easy to see they were way off track so penalise them.

What i do find strange is that Red Bull and Torro Rosso didn't know to strengthen the cars, it is Red Bulls own track after all..odd.

If your not careful it becomes Wacky Races "we want big rumble strips at the side of the tracks....no.. crocodiles..yes crocodiles at the edge of tracks..that'll teach them..... oh and have oil patches on the track in random places..and feathers.."

 

[JockeP22]

Rosberg could become the winningest driver at the Spielberg track today.

1. M. HAKKINEN 2 wins
2. M. SCHUMACHER 2 wins
3. N. ROSBERG 2 wins
4. J. VILLENEUVE 1 win
5. E. IRVINE 1 win
6. D. COULTHARD 1 win

And he could also take the number one spot in most laps led.

1. M. HAKKINEN 136
2. N. ROSBERG 105
3. R. BARRICHELLO 101
4. D. COULTHARD 71
5. M. SCHUMACHER 57
6. J. TRULLI 37

Most podiums belongs to Coulthard
for at least a few more years.

1. D. COULTHARD 5
2. R. BARRICHELLO 4
3. M. SCHUMACHER 4
4. M. HAKKINEN 3
5. L. HAMILTON 2
6. N. ROSBERG 2

 

[Eva]

But I did combine them. Lets imagine the fans darling Jenson Button finds himself in a podium position today, he runs 55 faultless laps, as he gets into lap 56 he on fading tyres goes slightly over onto the yellow speed bumps, BOOM, rear links snap and sends him spinning into barriers like Kyvat did.... its over.

Would that be a fair end to a race?

Add to that this is F1, all the teams will do is just fit special parts on so they can run over strips next year anyway.
Its pointless, it looks daft and most drivers getting that far onto outside of track are naturally going to lose time anyway or at least if not its easy to see they were way off track so penalise them.

What i do find strange is that Red Bull and Torro Rosso didn't know to strengthen the cars, it is Red Bulls own track after all..odd.

If your not careful it becomes Wacky Races "we want big rumble strips at the side of the tracks....no.. crocodiles..yes crocodiles at the edge of tracks..that'll teach them..... oh and have oil patches on the track in random places..and feathers.."

It would be very fair if Button ran over the curbs under his own control.

 

[dopedog]

Rosberg could become the winningest driver at the Spielberg track today.

1. M. HAKKINEN 2 wins
2. M. SCHUMACHER 2 wins
3. N. ROSBERG 2 wins
4. J. VILLENEUVE 1 win
5. E. IRVINE 1 win
6. D. COULTHARD 1 win

And he could also take the number one spot in most laps led.

1. M. HAKKINEN 136
2. N. ROSBERG 105
3. R. BARRICHELLO 101
4. D. COULTHARD 71
5. M. SCHUMACHER 57
6. J. TRULLI 37

Most podiums belongs to Coulthard
for at least a few more years.

1. D. COULTHARD 5
2. R. BARRICHELLO 4
3. M. SCHUMACHER 4
4. M. HAKKINEN 3
5. L. HAMILTON 2
6. N. ROSBERG 2

Not really the place for any positive talk about Rosberg round here... very much a Lewis kinda place... not sure where all these people were when he wasn't in the best car and winning though...

It would be very fair if Button ran over the curbs under his own control.

No, no it wouldn't, as Brundle says it should be penalised but not ruin a race. I don't agree they should be there, I don't want to spend any more of my Sunday on a forum arguing about it as its not that important to me, so I'll agree to disagree and get on with my day. For me its a no though.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

as Brundle says it should be penalised but not ruin a race

The point of the baguette kerbs isn't to ruin cars. The threat of damage is the deterrent - the idea is that if a driver realises that he is about to go off, then he can either slow down or run wide, thus negating any advantage that might be gained. Going over the kerbs is a choice, but they probably do start a little bit too early to allow that choice.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Completely wet track for GP3 right now. Let's see if this weather sticks around for F1 later in the day!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Yeah, it's not really worth watching. Rally Poland is, though.

 

[NW48]

Rosberg could become the winningest driver at the Spielberg track today.

1. M. HAKKINEN 2 wins
2. M. SCHUMACHER 2 wins
3. N. ROSBERG 2 wins
4. J. VILLENEUVE 1 win
5. E. IRVINE 1 win
6. D. COULTHARD 1 win

And he could also take the number one spot in most laps led.

1. M. HAKKINEN 136
2. N. ROSBERG 105
3. R. BARRICHELLO 101
4. D. COULTHARD 71
5. M. SCHUMACHER 57
6. J. TRULLI 37

Most podiums belongs to Coulthard
for at least a few more years.

1. D. COULTHARD 5
2. R. BARRICHELLO 4
3. M. SCHUMACHER 4
4. M. HAKKINEN 3
5. L. HAMILTON 2
6. N. ROSBERG 2

Doesn't Prost have 3 wins?

 

[JockeP22]

Doesn't Prost have 3 wins?

Prost won three from the 18 races held at Österreichring yes (1970-1987).
Those stats above are from the ten races held at Spielberg (1997- ).

Edit;
statsf1.com separate the two.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Then put walls there, a wall is a far more obvious object, the commentators jumping to the obvious visual link of logic is kind of funny to me. Of course they're not going to hit a wall cause that wont ever gain them time, but curbs are completely different story. Making stepped ones as they did is where the issue lies cause it gives the idea that drivers can use that area to go faster. Imposing limits works as they all acknowledged in interviews after these failures that they'd pay attention to that more so than the current.

A driver should learn the track including the limits. There's a possible damage penalty for running wide in that turn, that's just how it is. Don't run wide, that's the answer.

Ricciardo said he had not changed his opinion that the kerbs did not need changing.

"I am treating it like a wall," the Australian said. "I know if I hit it I am likely to damage my car. I'm not laughing at the (drivers who crashed), but I like that it is black and white.

"So many modern circuits we complain that we can run off and not pay a price. This weekend we are paying a price.

"Sure the damage to the car is quite severe but it is the same if you hit a wall on a street circuit. I honestly think it is a good compromise to keep us on the track limits."

 

[Samus]

Not really the place for any positive talk about Rosberg round here... very much a Lewis kinda place... not sure where all these people were when he wasn't in the best car and winning though...

On your first point that is a rather ridiculous assertion, most of the time Hamilton is only discussed when he's supposedly done something wrong. Plenty of room for Rosberg positivity.

Secondly, how would you know where people here were in those years, you only joined last December. Didn't you?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

very much a Lewis kinda place

Is this the same Lewis who has admitted that he can't get into the right rhythm around the circuit and who has never looked comfortable in the three years he has been there?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Not really the place for any positive talk about Rosberg round here... very much a Lewis kinda place... not sure where all these people were when he wasn't in the best car and winning though...

You mean his f-duct win in China? I was here, I'm sure I was.

 

[Roo]

Is this the same Lewis who has admitted that he can't get into the right rhythm around the circuit and who has never looked comfortable in the three years he has been there?

He means GTPlanet.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

He means GTPlanet.

Well, in that case, has he met me?

 

[Roo]

Well, in that case, has he met me?

In my experience the majority of the anti-Rosbergs don't notice the anti-Hamiltons and claim GTP is against their chosen one, and vice versa.

 

[Eva]

Well, in that case, has he met me?

Or me in the bashing Hamilton regard. Surely not.

 

[Tired Tyres]

But I did combine them. Lets imagine the fans darling Jenson Button finds himself in a podium position today, he runs 55 faultless laps, as he gets into lap 56 he on fading tyres goes slightly over onto the yellow speed bumps, BOOM, rear links snap and sends him spinning into barriers like Kyvat did.... its over.

Would that be a fair end to a race?

Add to that this is F1, all the teams will do is just fit special parts on so they can run over strips next year anyway.
Its pointless, it looks daft and most drivers getting that far onto outside of track are naturally going to lose time anyway or at least if not its easy to see they were way off track so penalise them.

What i do find strange is that Red Bull and Torro Rosso didn't know to strengthen the cars, it is Red Bulls own track after all..odd.

If your not careful it becomes Wacky Races "we want big rumble strips at the side of the tracks....no.. crocodiles..yes crocodiles at the edge of tracks..that'll teach them..... oh and have oil patches on the track in random places..and feathers.."

Yes it would be a fair race. STAY ON THE 🤬 TRACK. It is not rocket science. ANY driver that leaves the limits of the track should be parked because of it, because let's be very clear about this, if the track was lined with armco your race would be over. Changes made to tracks in the name of safety should not save you from the consequences of you own actions.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Another safety car start for GP2. It doesn't look particularly bad; I wish race control would just let them race.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

A driver should learn the track including the limits. There's a possible damage penalty for running wide in that turn, that's just how it is. Don't run wide, that's the answer.

Yeah but some times things happen out your control where you have to run wide, and having the peace of mind knowing that there is curb shouldn't be punishment for when you go over too deep once every 20 or so laps. This isn't Spa where a certain Ferrari driver kept abusing track limits until his tire popped.

Most of what I saw was perhaps deep driving that wasn't happening every lap for the drivers that had issues. Especially Kvyat he drove in to deep that one lap and it cost him, and same for Perez he went a bit wide and the back end slid a bit once it touched the strips and he lost his rear suspension. Point is this isn't an issue of abuse more so punishment for a slight error even. I mean even walls up and people have issues, it's the nature of how fast these guys are going and how they're trying to extract. Errors happens but shouldn't always be race ending.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Kvyat to start from pit lane after his chassis was rebuilt.

 

[NW48]

That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen... Ricciardo and Verstappen wearing lederhosen with a formal Red Bull team shirt.

From the ridiculous to the downright awesome; Lauda, Berger, Mass, amd others, all had a demonstration race in their BMW M1 Procar's from when the series was originally held back in '79 and '80.